Adobe Community: Message List - Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:08:42 GMT

Ethics aside, that negates one of the reasons why CC products are useful - the ease of pushing out new upgrades. A look at the history of running Adobe products under Wine on Linux will show that some versions of some products would work fairly well while others would not work at all. It isn't so much about the stability of Linux, X, KDE, Gnome, Unity, Xcfe, etc.(although that enters into the equation) so much as the difficulties of maintaining bulletproof GUI code across multiple GUI platforms - even if the assembly code underneath is always x86 based.

One way around this that others have used is to only certify operation under a modified version of Wine running on a specific distribution of Linux running a specific GUI. As an example within the Linux community, the flavor of Ubuntu that is optimized for graphics and video (Ubuntu Studio) runs Xcfe instead of Unity primarily to lock down the GUI structure so users don't have to relearn the GUI every time Ubuntu tweaks Unity.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:26 GMT

I use linux and only legally accuired software. Love is more important.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 07:35:49 GMT

Here's one if these people refuse , whey don't we just do what we always do? crack it and make it work on our own on linux systems/

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Nov 2014 16:06:59 GMT

That might work if Adobe contracted with a major Linux vendor (like Red Hat or SUSE) to take care of the security issues. I suspect that the Adobe programmers have been so busy working on bug fixes that Marketing is always gnashing their teeth. This might be why they shifted to the Creative Cloud concept - so upgrades could be released incrementally and debugged as part of an ongoing process rather than the old way where a major upgrade happened all at once and programmers spent the next year doing nothing but fixing bugs from that event.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:44:40 GMT

Xeon64 wrote:

Here is an idea. Adobe makes their own OS based on Linux and that solves the Interface problem. Adobe could make their Linux custom taylored for their software. It would be the ultimate design workstation.

That... would be... actually, quite fantastic.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2014 02:42:26 GMT

No doubt. Premiere Pro alone has been buggy enough on OSX and Windows since the 2014 release that an official Linux release wouldn't be doing anybody a favor.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 01:39:03 GMT

It isn't going to happen anytime soon - the programmers are way too busy with bug fixes.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:13:42 GMT

I want this!

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 11 Oct 2014 01:15:57 GMT

Not really surprising that Flash Player would be supported on all platforms as it is used by companies like Fox News who want to control file based streaming content to hide the file location for direct linking. Wouldn't want anyone to sidestep an opportunity for ad revenue, would we? It wouldn't surprise me either to find that some of those companies actually pay Adobe in some way for the inclusion of those features.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:51:41 GMT

Xeon64 wrote:

Apparently Adobe has not interest in Linux at all anymore since the just dropped support for Acrobat Reader for Linux.

To be fair I don't know any Linux users who actually use Acrobat Reader. Linux has lots of PDF readers that work as well or better than the Linux version of Reader, and most popular DEs have one of them baked in. Flash Player is probably a better product to look at if you want to gauge Adobe's interest in Linux. It actually gets a reasonable amount of use on the Linux desktop.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:24:58 GMT

Apparently Adobe has not interest in Linux at all anymore since the just dropped support for Acrobat Reader for Linux.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:22:09 GMT

Here is an idea. Adobe makes their own OS based on Linux and that solves the Interface problem. Adobe could make their Linux custom taylored for their software. It would be the ultimate design workstation.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:37:05 GMT

How much can you talk about it?

Download Google Web Designer. Works in Ubuntu, and other systems!

Animations + Web development:

http://www.google.com/webdesigner/

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:27:18 GMT

Just remember that over 90% of the work on a software product is directly related to the GUI and interface to the OS. That means only 10% of the code does the actual work advertised by the program. (I found this out when we took a program from DOS to Windows 3.0 - in DOS every line of code actually "did something" - in Windows most of the code was about where something was going to be placed, what colors, etc.)

Since the Mac and Windows environments have well defined system routines much of the grunt work is handed off to these embedded tools. Some of the problems with a stable Linux implementation might be related to the varying flavors of KDE, Gnome, X-Windows etc. present on any given Linux desktop. Wine is supposed to transparently overcome these issues, but it does not cover every quirky shortcut or undocumented feature used by a native app programmer. This is why Excel users will NEVER be satisfied using Libre or Open Office. The Microsoft Office programming team has always used undocumented features of the Windows environment knowing that this would insure product lock-in.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:09:53 GMT

We also need ADE on Linux. As someone already said, if it's working on OS/X, why not on Linux ?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:06:04 GMT

I agree. And as filmographie points, I just am testing out Windblows 10 on my only windows system. Lol. Yeah, nightmare and no stability. Gets better quickly; however, I would love to have CHiP promise from back in the day. Hardware doesn't matter, all system hardware virtualization and you can run 30 OS's on top of a hardware ROM system. This was talked about back in the mid 90s. Reboots would take seconds and file space would be shared between any number of OS's you may be running and hardware would be easy to use from any brand / platform you could run any OS. Yeah, Apple and Micro$loth shot that horse really quickly. However, the technology is out there to do some amazing things; just need some deep pockets to support and propel the ideas. If I can have PS, Code CC, dreamweaver, and adobe suite in Linux; I would be in heaven and never use anything other than for the rest of my life except for customer deployments and such.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 21:10:09 GMT

I know this is a dead horse, but I just wanted to voice my opinion as well. A Linux client would be nice. I recently signed up for CC Photoshop, and was pleased with the cost and features. Unfortunately, the hassle of dual-booting just for one program has meant I do more and more work in GIMP instead.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:58:39 GMT

Recent news is that many of the open source projects have fizzled out due to lack of participation. Not a new story - it was always harder to convince a bunch of other people to work on something unknown that to do it yourself.

I agree that cutting your teeth on *nix doesn't make you a developer - only time tears and sweat can do that.

The fundamental equations for image manipulation are really simple and old hat these days. Most of a developers time is spent in the GUI world trying to make things look & feel consistent while paying lip service to clean codebase security.

Personally I think that the attractiveness of Linux is stability. I can (and am currently doing so as this is written) update the kernel of a server and use the same tools I learned to use 10 or 20 years ago. With Window$ I'd have to relearn the entire admin toolkit every time a new release comes out (and I did so from NT 3.1 until Windows Server 2003 - don't get me started on Winserver 2013 (pay someone else to deal with that mess)).

I stumbled across something from Adobe recently that looked like it might have a tablet in mind, but can't remember the context.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:53:49 GMT

Cutting your teeth on BSD and other *nix like environments doesn't make you a developer for those platforms. Reason those platforms worked well in Universities is that the student free labor was available to develop the programs and the cheap reuse of the products certainly beats Micro$loth / Apple enterprise solutions particularly back in my day (late 80s into early 90s). Anyway, for true video development particularly in universities and non-profit space, Linux is the winner; however, I am sure all professional houses actually have windblows boxes now. So, unless Adobe (which I think is what you are suggesting?) wants to attract people in the industry when they are young (sort of like what Apple tried unsuccessfully with student populations with apples for student program and sweet pricing points on apple hardware / software for colleges) this might not be a great good reason as it has been shown over and over again, except for students that start their own projects / businesses out of college, they will use whatever they are given by their employer. And if their employers has any mild rate of success; they will be able to spend the extra 2k to have a really nice windblows box laying around. More and more people are using Linux for different reasons here and there. As a code developer, I love and have invaluable tools on Linux; however, I would bet that the majority of people (not in technology) using Linux is because of the added attractiveness of a free OS and mostly free apps. I would love CC on my Android Tablets and Linux boxes can very easily emulate those. Actually, that might be the real ticket. Does CC support Apple IOS solutions?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 17:30:02 GMT

It is for sure that the graphic design business is dominated by Mac OS and that isn't going to change in the near future.

But let's just focus on the film biz for a moment - Linux is pretty common amongst VFX shops. Eyeon (Fusion - a competitor to After Effects and just acquired by Blackmagic) made a big effort to get their products to run using Wine several years ago. A lot of the Hollywood shops have switched from competing products in recent years - did that decision have anything to do with Linux compatibility? As I recall at least one shop (was it Digital Domain?) went so far as to actively contribute to an open source VFX project as a means of reducing their render node licensing costs. Specialty software (Massive was built at WETA to solve a problem with the Lord of the Rings) has long been built by large studios. The ILM/Lucasfilm/Pixar core VFX & animation technologies were all designed and built in house, then seeded a host of commercial products - some of which made their way back into the studios.

For all the hype Apple made with their Final Cut products, Hollywood shops remain overwhelmingly Avid based. Adobe's Premiere product competes mostly in the non-Hollywood market segment against FC, Vegas, etc. as well as Avid. Linux video editing still seems to be something confined to the university environment, where several open source projects have been developed - whether due to the lack of commercially available products or as a result of student projects that caught on.

Linux users also benefit from the longstanding publishing demands of the university environment. My first encounter with publishing was nroff/troff some 30 years ago on a BSD unix platform. As a student you tend not to think about how expensive that PDP-11/70 and Xerox printer combo really was - in reality the Macintosh and HP/Apple Laser printer were a far cheaper combination. Pagemaker was the right product at the right time for the business community. Point is that all those old unix tools still work in Linux, GIMP can do just about everything Photoshop can do, etc., etc. and so forth.

So is Linux a viable market? Did most of the Adobe developers cut their teeth on Linux/Unix/BSD systems in college?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:19:18 GMT

Completely agree. We are talking about people adopting. Here is the thing, people like myself will have either dual boot or a home machine that the family uses that's running windblows and use CC on it. However, let's look at the numbers.

Assume makes on average about $500.00 per cc user.

Also, let's assume 100% of supposed 15k will bite.

That's about 7.5 million the first year. No problem at all. Makes perfect business sense.

However, let's assume only 10% adopt (which I am sure Adobe has more research than myself; but, persons like myself that have already a cc account would just reactivate it on Linux, and people that aren't really about to pay the $500 yearly cost for the products. Perhaps only get membership on single app basis as needed. Just saying.

So @ 10% that 15k is generating about $750,000.00

Also, assume Adobe needed 15 new Linux developers.

Each would average a 50k salary and you are down to 0 profit.

And considering Adobe is an enterprise and they are not in the habit of hiring and firing; these would most likely be benefited and continue to work after the first year.

The numbers don't make sense to me and I know very little about business and clearly wouldn't make sense to Adobe either. It is a dead horse and we keep beating it.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:52:47 GMT

I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but it is a multiplicative effect. Something like: for every active person who posts there might be 100 people who just watch the flow of discussion, 1,000 who share the sentiment but don't actually visit the forum and 10,000 who might ultimately be impacted..

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:10:05 GMT

Quite a lot, apparently. The getsatisfaction thread they linked at the beginning of this thread has over 15,000 followers. That would be far more than enough to catch the attention of most companies.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:12:35 GMT

Only adobe can answer that. And I am sure they are a great coding house, but I would bet they would need a little more then the 5 lurkers here. LOL...

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:55:31 GMT

How many Linux users would it take for Adobe to create a Linux

version of CC?

Certainly not the 5 usual suspects you see hanging around here.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:29:17 GMT

It might make more sense for Adobe to just make their apps Wine compatible and avoid the issue completely - some older versions of Adobe products already run under Wine without difficulty, others are broke in that respect. Jump over the the discussion at https://forums.adobe.com/message/4302334

There is a version compatibility list at https://appdb.winehq.org/ that shows several Adobe products running with "minor problems". I've tried running Adobe products under Wine in the past and got wildly weird results - some of which were not minor.

The underlying hardware related code is no longer an issue now that MacOS runs on Intel - much of the assembly level code is probably already interchangeable.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:01:41 GMT

How many Linux users would it take for Adobe to create a Linux version of CC? Is that even the issue or are there other reasons preventing Adobe? In short, what can the Linux community do to help make this happen?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 03 Oct 2014 00:58:35 GMT

There is only one significant hurdle to switching the desktops of ALL our users to Linux - Adobe Creative Suite!

Why would we want to move away from Windows or Mac? For us it is really about locking down user interactions and creating stable desktops. With Linux we can deploy standard solutions that reduce our risk profile. Some people think that Linux saves $$, but that is like saying that an electric car is cheaper than a conventional car - it neglects the infrastructure and purchase costs while focusing totally on the drive time costs.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:30:54 GMT

Hey everybody!

I got an idea. Somebody said in this forum that we should write to investors. So... Let's do!!!

But to who should we write?

Yes! I'm nominating Mr. Kelly Barlow from ValueAct Capital and member of the board at Adobe. He's financially connected with Adobe, has influence, but isn't the number one at Adobe. Therefore he should be more accessible and easier to contact. You'll find a contact at ValueAct's website. But it's not a direct contact. Since I'm not from the USA for some of you may it be easier to get contact information. Just post it here at Adobes very own forum. SO everybody can contact him and flood him with our topic. But be nice and polite. Being a ******** will not get us any further. But say what you need. Say it directly to someone from Adobe - not to some poor support guy.

Let me know if somebody gets the contact.

I still love Photoshop (and I'm a subscriber to the PS CC...) but I hate Microsoft. Linux's the way!

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:30:31 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote: I agree, I know nothing about Linux,

Sorry, what are you doing in this thread? Also as you stated before "Now every decision is based on how much can I make."- are you also getting paid for talking about things that you have no knowledge about? Also it's not true that Adobe has never made or does not make any product for Linux. There are few Adobe products for Linux.

It's pity that many industry experts still don't understand that when in Linux community people talk about free, that's “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer". Linux users pay money for the softwares and services they use if needed. One prime example is Google's app store.

The thread is about having creative cloud for Linux- which I think is very legit request. I am paying money for Adobe Cloud, and as it's customer I have the right to request for feature that is valuable to me. Now it's up to Adobe to listen to it's customers who actually "pay" for using the software and services or to listen to "self-claimed experts and professionals" who have no knowledge or whatsoever on the things they talk about. The danger of having many unsatisfied customers is as soon as a disruption happens in this industry (without any doubt right now Adobe makes some really great tools), the business may collapse as like many other companies in the history. With the rise of Linux based Operating Systems (like Android or Ubuntu) I will hope Adobe will keep leading instead of following and falling behind.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:58:48 GMT

No one is crying about anything. We're asking that Adobe consider working on a port for Linux. Consider, because despite my best hopes, it might still not be a good market for its products. Instead you call us cry babies. How is that any kind of argument? How the hell is Scotland related to this in any way? Do you mean to say that "things change" - whoa! hold on there cowboy, we're jus' ain't up to all that super-smart tech talk, We be jus' silly little Linux users, crying ourselves to sleep. Get out of the high chair, and give us some respect when you speak to us. Is that really too much to ask?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:55:36 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk, you have made it very abundant throughout this thread that you know nothing of either Linux, it's community, it's user base,

It took you 146 posts to realize this and one wonders whether you are living in the real world.

I agree, I know nothing about Linux, I have never used Linux and I have no plans to use Linux unless my employers points a loaded gun to my head which is unlikely because we don't have any Linux boxes in house except for the webserver which none of us come across on a daily basis. People have to get on with life and make quick bucks and that means you have to use the tools that are available for you. We don't sit and cry like little babies that a particular corporation is refusing to make tools for us to do the job as we like it. We just take whatever is available and give a good go at it to make it work for us. Fortunately, Windows is pretty much flexible for us in this respect.

I have finished with this as I have nothing to defend or contribute further on Linux products. From tomorrow we may not be United (Kingdom) if Scotland decides to go independent! Don't know yet what will happen to my various dot co dot uk domains.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:52:15 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk, you have made it very abundant throughout this thread that you know nothing of either Linux, it's community, it's user base, or it's marketing potential. That being the case, you should really consider educating yourself before you start bashing it. And Adobe, please for the love of Pete tell me you have the sense not to pay attention to someone who has admitted they don't know anything about the subject.

Here are the facts: Over the last 10 years or so Linux has been gaining ground at an accelerating rate. It was never, as some seem to think, dominated by hobbyists. If it were Red Hat, Novel, Cannonical would all be out of business and IBM would be tens of millions of dollars poorer that it is. Furthermore, consider how unlikely it is that a bunch of random hobbyists could make it in the first place. 90% or more of all Linux kernel code is written by people who are being paid to write it (which really becomes obvious when you consider how Linus Torvalds treats them -- who'd put up with that non-sense for free?) I'd guess the numbers don't change much when you look at the apps for it.

There is a mistaken impression around that Linux users won't pay for anything. It is wrong. There are many examples of products which prove there is a viable market for paid Linux software. The market is strong enough that Ubuntu even includes a 'for purchase' section in their software center now. And that market would become much more profitable than it already is for everyone if Adobe would release Linux versions of their software because the lack of Adobe products is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to Linux adoption. While there are Linux-compatible alternatives available to everything Adobe makes the Creative Suite products are the industry standard.

Is the market there? You need look no further than the third party forum Adobe pointed to at the beginning of this thread, which received such overwhelming feedback that they were forced to disable further comments. Would Adobe profit more than it would cost them? Absolutely it would. Heck, even MICROSOFT is selling software to Linux users these days.

If there is a negative side to offering a Linux version it would be that Adobe would either have to hire more programmers or slow down its release cycle, but as I said they would still make more money than it would cost them. They would be almost guaranteed to sell CC to at least half of the Linux desktop world.

So long as the big name computer sellers only offer Windows on their desktops it will never be the fabled 'year of the Linux desktop', but that doesn't mean there's not a sizable market here.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:41:46 GMT

This is pretty ridiculous. Just don't reply to mytaxsite.co.uk. It's only feeding the fire.

So far he has proven to be Narcissistic, Racist and probably unemployed. Who posts at the adobe forum for a living?

Unless you work in a .net shop it is very unlikely that you will be in contact with windows outside of a VM.

It's annoying that we have to run windows in VMs or reboot our Macbooks to ****** OSX to get access to Photoshop.

Ubuntu made leaps in bringing the Linux desktop forward but Linux numbers will always be bad with so many OEMs not even offering it.

Users never change what comes out of the box to them and Microsoft pays OEMs nicely.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:31:45 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:

uvii wrote:
You spout out of the top of your head that "there's no market" but you have no proof for that other than thinking like that
.

[...] If there was a market then everybody would rush in to make a product and start selling it. [...] Let me repeat again, there is no money to be made in creating any products for Linux Operating System. [...] This is fair, don't you agree with this?

First of all - that's the most level-headed answer I got here, so thank you for that.

I want to point out one thing though: you said that there is no money to be made - proved by the fact that not a lot of companies make products for Linux. That's true, but it's also a chicken-egg thing. Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) used to be terrible. They were... just... awful. And with few users came fewer professional companies. That's fine.

The thing is - it isn't like that anymore, and there's a pretty clear trend to prove it - the last two years saw usage rising from 1.11% to 1.65% (which is a lot). Now I'm not saying Adobe should "jump on this incredible opportunity". That's naive, and I know better. I'm just saying the market has changed, and will continue to change, and this is something that should be considered. Not for academic reasons (because Linux is not just for academics anymore), but because it might very well be a valid and profitable market.

Of course, without a proper market research there's no point arguing theoretically. If Adobe doesn't want to do that, well - there's nothing I can say (it's your choice to make as a company) - but I think it's fair if I ask for you guys to re-evaluate your market and see if maybe maybe Linux has changed. I think that's a fair request, don't you think?

Re: Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:38:46 GMT

uvii wrote:
You spout out of the top of your head that "there's no market" but you have no proof for that other than thinking like that
.

The proof is in the pudding. If there was a market then everybody would rush in to make a product and start selling it. We are in the 21st century where everything is based around money. We don't have benevolent society anymore. Those days are gone long ago. Now every decision is based on how much can I make. If the answer is not enough then there is no point in wasting time and allow others to try it. Businesses only take calculated risks as they have done in this instance. Linux is just not a viable product.. It is good to be used as a server but not for desktop work. This could change if we get 100% cloud based products where client side scripts are not needed to run the product like Microsoft Office (Lite) which can be used free of charge by anybody with a Microsoft Account (I believe even Linux users can use it). There is no installation needed. Adobe is not that sort of product yet. It is years behind schedule because of lack of technical ability in house and deficit in current technology.

Why do you think most mundane, repetitive jobs are outsourced to countries in Pacific Rim and Asian countries? Have you given a thought to this? Please tell us.

Let me repeat again, there is no money to be made in creating any products for Linux Operating System. Don't keep banging on it all the time. Business managers knows better; Not an enthusiast Adobe user like you. Let the enthusiasts and academics handle products that makes no money. When they have cracked it, they can approach corporations like Microsoft and Adobe if they would like to enter into joint venture with them so that academics can make use of Marketing skills of corporations and corporations can make use of technical skills of academics and enthusiasts. This is fair, don't you agree with this?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:14:17 GMT

tziady wrote:

hope they pull their heads out of their ....... soon and see the light .....

Bare in mind that they might be right. Linux usage is still small and unattractive. It might not be a good market for Adobe.

I'm just mad at the condescending responses I get that tell me Linux users don't buy stuff or that Linux sucks bla bla bla. I'd like to get a reasonable answer why "no" or a "we're considering it". "No" is an ok answer to the question of "why no linux", provided it comes with some decent explanation (which could even be "we don't want to do it". That'll be ok too. Adobe doesn't owe us anything). I can't stand these high-tower pr*cks that never used Linux and think badly of it for no particular reason other than just because.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:47:54 GMT

Very well said and I could not have said it better myself. The very simple fact is that you would think that additional revenue, particularly that which would probably cost you very little to attain is always a good thing. As web developers (very heavy Linux users) are a major user of Adobe products, you would think this would be a no brainer. Hey obviously we all arguing about it doesn't make a difference one way or another. It is Adobe's decision and they have to see value in the community. But with companies like Google developing other legitimate OSs, linux gaining ground and usability and most importantly more users, things like chromebooks, I am amazed that adobe doesn't even think of developing their own thin client. Anyway, hope they pull their heads out of their ....... soon and see the light .....

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:37:01 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:

Of course, as an Ubuntu user, I'm hardly objective on the subject.

Yes Adobe knows this very well and that is why their position is not

going to change for many years to come. Sorry no Adobe products for

Linux users. Use Windows or look for something else. Is there no one

in the linux community of "developers and technology experts" who can

create suitable products for their members? This is amazing .

There are a ton of alternatives. But I want to use Adobe products! I like them and I'm used to them. Screw dual-boot, I want to run them on linux! "Sorry no Adobe products for Linux users"? Really? Just like that? Not even a "we will consider it"? Don't you think it deserves even a little bit of thought?

Also, your condensation is incredibly out of place. If you don't use\like Linux products that's fine. But these products have gone a long way since when they were small ideologically-nice-but-practically-terrible OS. With Ubuntu, Linux has developed into a very unique and powerful OS. I'm actually a bit in awe of how much it changed. I used to mock it just like you, but somewhere along the way since 12.04, and even more with 14.04 recently released, I found out that it was really really f***ing good. So good, that I really find it hard to go back to Windows - Ubuntu is just smoother, faster, neater and easier to use.

Gaming - one of the biggest things Linux users didn't have - has also taken a nice turn with Steam putting incredible amount of effort into making their own Linux OS, and I can say that gaming has never been so incredible for Linux users (you asked @tziady what he bought? I just bought 100-200$ worth of games the past week - good decent ones (like Portal 2 and Witcher 2), not indie titles, and I'm eagerly awaiting Borderlands to come out. And it's not just me. Go ask Steam how much money they make. Let's see you tell me Linux users don't buy stuff you f***ing t***).

You spout out of the top of your head that "there's no market" but you have no proof for that other than thinking like that. I might not be objective, but neither are you. And yes, Adobe needs to look at the subject objectively. I have asked on a few threads - 2 here and more around the web, and I have yet to come up with any good explanation why there's no Linux port. I'm willing to hear "there's no market, we checked it" but instead I always get responses that are either:

- condensation

- mockery for trying to use Linux

- biased explanations that say nothing

- theories about why (that aren't really relevant)

- talks about Wine

I don't buy this. You're saying there's no market. Steam invented a market out of thin air. It's not just because they're steam, it's because Ubuntu is a genuine good OS. Not everybody has enough money to afford a Mac (I actually prefer Ubuntu UI, but both OS are very good), and with a native version of Adobe for Ubuntu you just might start a trend for the design industry.

Of course this shouldn't happen based on some commentator on the internet. But please, show me that there's some thought put into it. That there's someone who thinks "Hey, let's find out if there's a market". I'll accept a negative answer. Ubuntu might still not a good market for Adobe. But I will not accept an answer that says "there's no market because we said so".

p.s.

Photoshop CS6 runs very well on Wine 1.7. A port might be less work than you think.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 05:40:01 GMT

Just on my own linux platforms, I have not bought very much; however, there isn't much available. I have purchased this and office and a slew of other software that I need to use in my daily business processes. If this and others were available for linux, I would purchase them just like I do now for windblows. However, given enough time, I will continue to use dual platforms, until linux catches up or I find something else to replace these tools.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 04:23:14 GMT

I agree that most (including myself) linux users are developers and

technology experts. I would pay for it in a second and I know many more

Can you cite an example what have you bought in the last 12 months to

run on your Linux box? Just wondering what can you run on a Linux box.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 04:20:50 GMT

Of course, as an Ubuntu user, I'm hardly objective on the subject.

Yes Adobe knows this very well and that is why their position is not

going to change for many years to come. Sorry no Adobe products for

Linux users. Use Windows or look for something else. Is there no one

in the linux community of "developers and technology experts" who can

create suitable products for their members? This is amazing .

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:15:00 GMT

I agree that most (including myself) linux users are developers and technology experts. I would pay for it in a second and I know many more that would. The first version of Photoshop that I ever used ran on an SGI Indigo. Adobe and Macromedia have always big supporters of the Apple platforms because of their heavy usage in the design industry as you say. Anyway, it is a lost cause for now. I will continue to run linux on my main PC and use my laptop occationally for adobe stuff when I absolutely need it. Eventually, I will find alternatives because the switching back and forth will basically be a huge waste of time.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:24:18 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:

I always thought that Linux users are not used to paying for anything.

I find that claim offensive and inaccurate. There's no reason Linux users (who are usually tech-savy and work in a community that earns pretty well) won't pay for professional products (free software alternatives notwithstanding).

Also, I want to add that OS statistics put Linux usage at around 1.67%. That's very little, indeed - but you're looking at it wrong. Windows holds 90% of the market and OSX holds around 8%. Yet, OSX is considered a platform that requires support. Why is that? For one, it's because those 8% are, mostly, people who have a tendency for graphic design - i.e, they're far less than Windows 90%, but most of that 90% isn't the target demographic for Adobe software (most Windows users are just that - users). On the other hand - Mac, with it's measly 8% compromises almost entirely of designers and developers.

I would argue that Linux is similar - it has a low OS usage, but that 1-2% we have are almost entirely made from developers - people who make stuff. The kind of people who would like to use Photoshop and other Adobe products. And I'm pretty sure a native version of Photoshop for Ubuntu will be well received and might even spruce those usage percentages up. And think about it - even a very small change of, say 1%, is huge! And it woul be 1% that is 100% adobe clients.

In other words, I think that a native Linux port would return the investment. Of course, as an Ubuntu user, I'm hardly objective on the subject. But that's my two cents anyway.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:19:43 GMT

Yeah, I have to agree OSx is a lost cause; but most professionals tend to have a few windows boxes around.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:08:54 GMT

OSX and Windows are no longer operating systems for professionals

Really? What are these operating systems for the professionals and what

do they use it for? Apart from using Adobe and Microsoft software for

business what other software packages are there that runs on other

operating system or systems for the professionals?

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 00:21:18 GMT

I am a Photoshop user since 15 years now and I am increasingly saddened by having to drag a windows machine around just for the sake of Photoshop.

Move on Adobe! You are not making games but software for professionals.

OSX and Windows are no longer operating systems for professionals but for your mom and her aunt.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:31:36 GMT

Yeah, it's kinda sad, really.

Just bumping this thread in my bi-annual google search for "Adobe linux" in the vain hope that someone there has actually listened.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:59:43 GMT

mytaxsite.co.uk is a MS fan boy troll. No one respond to him. His post are the idiocy of a emotional fan boy.

Re: Creative Cloud for Linux (Ubuntu)

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 21:54:12 GMT

logic11 wrote:

It's quite clear that you have never used Linux and don't know what it is.

Correct.

Never used it and no plans to use it in the near future.

In the meantime, if you want to use your Linux then go to this site and see if you can use their photo-editing software for free:

For website, you can use this one:

<Joomla! The CMS Trusted By Millions for their Websites>

These are all free for Linux users.

After using those, perhaps you won't need Adobe so your problems solved.

Good luck.