Adobe Community: Message List - Don't hold your breath for CS7....

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:29:21 GMT

Basically, all I want is to be able to buy an upgrade with a perpetual licence. The rental scheme does not work for me at all.

Meantime I am sticking with CS6, hoping either that Adobe will agree with me (and 10,000s of others) or that alternative non-Adobe non-subscription software is available for Macs. So far found a couple and I think some software vendors may be upping their already pretty good stuff (OmniGraffle for instance) in the next year or so.

So, time to let Adobe know ad nauseam we are not happy, and to sit tight and wait for developments...

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:05:38 GMT

@Markusaker - the only proof I have is that I nor any of my clients are running with Cloud storage, or even the Cloud control panel running as an active or background process. We have also turned off auto updates for fear of unattended borking of our production machines, as well as do NOT use any of the TypeKit fonts because we have spent in the many $1000's to own our fonts.

We do have the advantage of admin privileges on our machines though, which may or may not be your biggest problem. As far as I know, Adobe has for many versions required you to install using an admin account, and then go into a locked user account later.

And IMHO, if your IT dept. knew what they were doing, and you really do need to have CC rather than say CS6, someone would have the authority at your business to make it happen. Even if for the time it takes for the installation, roughly 30 minutes for the entire suite. Just sayin'.

Also... just to point it out: see what I mean with staying on track with the CC discussion? Everyone and his dog has a theory and point of attack why CC is wrong. Without attacking shareholders, investor or manager corruption, wild-eyed theories of contempt for their customers... it would be nice to bring a solid user-backed movement with 1... ONE!... goal and message: give us the right to purchase a perpetual license if we want... and in many cases... NEED to! The constant sarcastic vitriol does NOT, and is NOT... getting results! So can we please try something different?

Sorry, but the uninterruptable First-World-B****ing & Moaning is truly nauseous some days. I don't know about you folks, but I am so tickled most days that we have this powerful stuff at our fingertips, and that it's half-way affordable. Actually a downright steal. I cut my own Rubylith for many years, before moving to a 30k Quantel Paintbox. These days it's around $800/year for "high tech production" exclusive of the machine. Less than many people's habits of one kind or another, many of which will probably end up killing 'em some day. Just a view with perspective.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:26:02 GMT

Markusaker wrote:

If he had any information that would prove we can solve this without compromising security I would like to hear it.

In case you need help on installing, you would want to ask in the appropriate forum, since only then you've got a chance to get answers from the people who know.

If you get the definite answer "not possible" then you can still complain about that fact in this thread.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:25:00 GMT

One of the biggest reasons for Adobe pushing the subscription-only model: shareholders.

Cash flow is one of those things investors absolutely love, even at the expense of the longer term view. If Adobe can manage to get enough customers on the hook with a subscription their cash flow will look a lot more steady from one quarter to the next instead of jumping up and down every 18 months to 2 years when a new Creative Suite box is released.

I don't think Adobe would have been so bent on forcing legitimate customers who pay for the software (as opposed to illegally downloading it) into a subscription if Adobe was a privately held company. Since they sell stock and have shareholders as well as a board of directors to please on a quarterly basis it's no surprise the customers would be getting a raw deal. For all I know the idea of moving just about all new Adobe apps into a subscription-only model may have been the idea of an activist investor on the board twisting arms to the breaking point.

I think about this sort of thing when other situations are taking place, like Michael Dell trying to take the company he started back into privately held status and corporate raiders like Carl Ichan trying to stop him.

With news Adobe is going to sell a $10 month subscription of Photoshop & Lightroom for the photography market I can certainly see the $50 per month CC subscription getting divided up into even more product tiers. With sales of traditional computers being so slow and those sales possibly affecting traditional computer software sales I could see the boxed software and perpetual licenses making a comeback. All it takes are sales being bad enough for it to happen.

Lots of people are getting around in 10 year old cars. I see more people using computers nearly that old. Why wouldn't that translate to software?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:12:13 GMT

You're right, this got a bit sidetracked.

But the sidetracking happened because Docpixel-BMW stated that my argument against CC was false. If he had any information that would prove we can solve this without compromising security I would like to hear it.

Otherwise I would still argue that we still need perpetual licenses where people can download the the complete application like before, instead of using this new cloud control app to install/download.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:02:09 GMT

Markusaker wrote:

I'm hoping someone else has information that suggests otherwise, and I would be more than happy to know so I can forward it to our IT department!

Then this is the wrong forum and definitely the wrong thread.

You might try here:

http://forums.adobe.com/community/download_install_setup?view=discussions

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:26:30 GMT

Software rental by monthly fee is nothing new. It's always been the dream of software vendors. Microsoft and others have been trying to pull it off for many years. It minimizes the vendor's costs while maximizing the dependency (entrapment) of the customers who buy into it.

Adobe latched onto the "cloud" buzzword to help push it. So Adobe's own marketing has intentionally created the mythical notion that a sofware rental scheme is somehow inherently part-and-parcel of "cloud computing." That's largely why people buy into it, thinking it's some new "next wave" of computing.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:04:08 GMT

Well as of right now I can not use Adobe CC.

Our firewalls are blocking something so my Cloud control panel is unable to connect.

I have asked our IT department if they can fix it so I can install creative cloud on my computer, but they refused and said we can't use it because it's a security risk with the external storage. Obviously you can choose not to use it at a user level. But that is not good enough. It has to be controlled at a network/firewall level, because they can't risk it if it's up to individual users to control this.

I bought the subscription myself on behalf of my own department, it is not something I got through our IT department, and IT is currently not supporting it, so if I can't resolve this myself I have to cancel my subscription.

I have talked to Adobes support to find out if the creative cloud storage can be blocked on a network/firewall level without blocking the entire application. I was hoping to get some information I could bring forward to our IT department. After chatting with 3 different people in the online chat support, I was reffered to their technical support phone line in denmark because this was too technical for them.

The guy on the phone said it wasn't possible to block cloud access without blocking the whole thing. Maybe he didn't understand it correctly or didn't have enough knowledge, but what can you do when you've tried all options with support?

I'm hoping someone else has information that suggests otherwise, and I would be more than happy to know so I can forward it to our IT department!

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:09:30 GMT

There are many things not to like about Adobe's move to subscriptions, so I don't like people muddying up the message to Adobe that we don't like it, by stating something I believe is false, or you and/or the Adobe rep didn't understand it correctly:

1) You do NOT need to use CC Cloud storage, nor access it at all if desired.

2) You can turn off "Preference Syncing" in all of the Adobe Apps, and even block the servers from a Firewall of your choosing with NO problems with the software working.

3) You DO need to allow the activation servers from Adobe to check from time-to-time the status of your license.

4) You can... but are not required to use for example TypeKit, Kuler, or even Adobe Updates. Naturally, you're sacrificing a good part of your subscription fee by not taking advantage of a 20,000+ font library, plus bug or future feature updates like Camera RAW. However, that's your choice.

With that said, all other MAIN arguments stand:

1) that at some time in the future... speculative, but very likely... Adobe will raise the monthly/yearly fee;

2) that once you stop paying your sub, you will lose access to editing your CC designed documents, specifically those that make use of features only found in CC apps... or fonts if using TypeKit.

So by all means... rage on against the machine. But please keep the message simple and most of all: informed!

NOTE: Official Adobe rep or tech engineer?... or India Call Center employee? BIG difference, also considering that they are trained to push you into a CC sub one way or the other and only know the benefits from looking on a computer screen, and none of the deterrents.

Markusaker wrote:

This is sad. I work for a company that doesn't allow the use of cloud storage for security reasons. That means they are actively blocking all kinds of cloud storage with their firewall. Now I can't install adobe creative cloud because the creative cloud manager gets blocked by the firewall. I've been in contact with adobe support who says there is no way of installing adobe creative cloud without opening up for the cloud storage, so it's a no go for us. The only solution is to cancel my CC subscription and go back to CS5.5 or buy a CS6 licsense (with no future upgrades in sight).

I'm working in a pretty big enterprise with around 30.000 employees, so Adobe will probably miss out on a lot of future profits if they keep up with their stubborn CC only attitude!

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 22:23:25 GMT

Markusaker,

Agreed. It is sad for many reasons. I read that in changing to the subscription only model, Adobe took into account that they would loose some customers. They figured in the long run they would make much more money with subscription only in spite of a few lost customers here and there.

It may take a couple of years, but eventually CS6 will become obsolete and Adobe will have their way. In the meantime, I will do my best to fight the subscription only model.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:24:24 GMT

This is sad. I work for a company that doesn't allow the use of cloud storage for security reasons. That means they are actively blocking all kinds of cloud storage with their firewall. Now I can't install adobe creative cloud because the creative cloud manager gets blocked by the firewall. I've been in contact with adobe support who says there is no way of installing adobe creative cloud without opening up for the cloud storage, so it's a no go for us. The only solution is to cancel my CC subscription and go back to CS5.5 or buy a CS6 licsense (with no future upgrades in sight).

I'm working in a pretty big enterprise with around 30.000 employees, so Adobe will probably miss out on a lot of future profits if they keep up with their stubborn CC only attitude!

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 08 Jun 2013 15:21:11 GMT

JETalmage wrote:

You guys just don't get it. Look, it's simple:

Adobe Illustrator is the professional drawing program.
Illustrator does not crop raster images.
Therefore, drawing programs which crop raster images are not professional.

It should now be unnecessary to mention shape primitives, cutting paths, inline graphics, connector lines, dimension tools, drawing scales, paragraph rules, find/replace paragraph returns, auto fitting textframes, contour lines, shape/conic/radar grads, a proper arc tool, proper corner rounding, reverse path command, graphic find/replace, proper object inspector, connector points, modern charting, uniform blend spacing, distribute group along path, snap/align artboards, diffusion dither bitmap rasterization, object-level halftones, auto extend/retract individual handles, retracted handle envelopes, reliable snaps, incremental snaps along SmartGuides…subscription-free licensing…and all the other things the professional drawing program doesn't do.

JET

I believe that was "the short list"... correct?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 13:38:32 GMT

You guys just don't get it. Look, it's simple:

Adobe Illustrator is the professional drawing program.
Illustrator does not crop raster images.
Therefore, drawing programs which crop raster images are not professional.

It should now be unnecessary to mention shape primitives, cutting paths, inline graphics, connector lines, dimension tools, drawing scales, paragraph rules, find/replace paragraph returns, auto fitting textframes, contour lines, shape/conic/radar grads, a proper arc tool, proper corner rounding, reverse path command, graphic find/replace, proper object inspector, connector points, modern charting, uniform blend spacing, distribute group along path, snap/align artboards, diffusion dither bitmap rasterization, object-level halftones, auto extend/retract individual handles, retracted handle envelopes, reliable snaps, incremental snaps along SmartGuides…subscription-free licensing…and all the other things the professional drawing program doesn't do.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:06:49 GMT

DocPixel-BMW wrote:

[...]
I just returned from reading the interview at Macworld with Sharma... and what a hoot it is!

"Sharma describes this as “the futuristic model, where you have these small apps that are focused but they all work together and make sense together. That’s definitely the direction.
Again... way up in the thread when I was supporting the move to CC (which I no longer am BTW!), I mentioned this modular approach. It so happens that the idea and promise is about 12-13 years old when Photoshop first started the plug-in architecture... and then later with the bundling as a suite.

Why did it take Adobe a decade + to realize this? And why am I skeptical that this will ever happen? And pointing above to AstuteGraphics, why is it that all of the innovation and great "modules" are all coming from 3rd parties, rather than Adobe itself? For example: Kuler? Your kidding right? That's the Poster Child for extending Adobe's Apps?

InDesign suffers the same. "New: Dark Interface, QR Code, ... Uh, that's all folks." Never mind the continuous stream of posts requesting long standing bug fixes (some of these dating back to CS2). QR Codes, on the other hand, do not appear *at all* in InDesignSecrets' Wishlist (http://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/114445-adobe-indesign-wishlist).

I don't have a trial version of IDCC, but I wonder if they just added a nice input panel around my QR Code script and called it "New! Improved! See, We Are Listening To You!".

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:41:29 GMT

W_J_T wrote:

[scott w] wrote:

How do you crop a photo...... wait... Rasterino! That's how! Thank heaven for AstuteGraphics.com

If only Adobe would spend some their billions in revenue to buy some of these wonderful 3rd party developer products that far and away exceed Adobe's own innovation.
There are countless examples of this (both free and ones you buy )by add-ons putting Adobe to shame concerning innovation.

Wonder what Adobe's thoughts on innovating their current products is?

http://www.macworld.com/article/2040845/adobe-vp-says-creative-cloud-i s-a-big-bet-but-allows-for-better-tools-in-the-future.html

Sharma says that there will be more emphasis on brand-new, razor-focused applications —such as the Edge line
— rather than adding more and more functionality (and, some would say, bloat) to mature products.

Mala Sharma -- VP of professional business in Adobe’s digital media business unit

Oh yeah, more forcused on "brand-new, razor-focused applications".

I'm way ahead of ya WJT: I actually asked on the AstuteGraphics blog what it would take for them to consider buying out Illustrator from Adobe. Their team are the only ones seriously developing for it.

I also pointed this company out way... way ... up the thread

Also, I just returned from reading the interview at Macworld with Sharma... and what a hoot it is!

"Sharma describes this as “the futuristic model, where you have these small apps that are focused but they all work together and make sense together. That’s definitely the direction.

Again... way up in the thread when I was supporting the move to CC (which I no longer am BTW!), I mentioned this modular approach. It so happens that the idea and promise is about 12-13 years old when Photoshop first started the plug-in architecture... and then later with the bundling as a suite.

Why did it take Adobe a decade + to realize this? And why am I skeptical that this will ever happen? And pointing above to AstuteGraphics, why is it that all of the innovation and great "modules" are all coming from 3rd parties, rather than Adobe itself? For example: Kuler? Your kidding right? That's the Poster Child for extending Adobe's Apps?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:51:06 GMT

[Jongware] wrote:

From a thread in the Creative Cloud Forum:

Marcus Koch wrote:

I just found this ... Adobe ... biggest joke of the century.

It gets even better check out the "Freedom of Choice" section of Adobe's site they recently had:

Adobe - Freedom of Choice - We Love Choice - Create without limits
http://web.archive.org/web/20110623095449/http://www.adobe.com/choice/

• At Adobe, we believe that the open flow of creativity, ideas, and information should be limited only by the imagination. Innovation thrives when people are free to choose the technologies that enable them to openly express themselves and access information where and when they want.
• Openness is at Adobe's core.
• We believe open markets that allow developers, publishers, and consumers to make their own choices about how they create, distribute, and access content are essential to progress.
• We remain certain that open markets are the only way forward.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110810034808/http://www.adobe.com/choice/createwithoutlimits. html
• As part of our commitment to enabling choice for developers, publishers, and consumers, Adobe ...

Thoughts on Open Markets - John Warnock and Chuck Geschke
http://web.archive.org/web/20110716073019/http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html

• As the founders of Adobe, we believe open markets are in the best interest of developers, content owners, and consumers.
• We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications, regardless of what computer they have, what browser they like, or what device suits their needs. No company — no matter how big or how creative — should dictate what you can create, how you create it
• When markets are open, anyone with a great idea has a chance to drive innovation and find new customers. Adobe's business philosophy is based on a premise that, in an open market, the best products will win in the end
• In the end, we believe the question is really this: Who controls the World Wide Web (insert how you use your Software)? And we believe the answer is: nobody — and everybody, but certainly not a single company.

So, Adobe and it's co-founders, John Warnock and Chuck Geschke each co-chairman of the Board, believe (once believed?) the following:

• Freedom of choice

• We love choice

• Create without limits

• Openness is at Adobe's core

• We believe that the open flow of creativity, ideas, and information should be limited only by the imagination

• Innovation thrives when people are free to choose the technologies that enable them to openly express themselves and access information where and when they want

• We believe open markets that allow developers, publishers, and consumers to make their own choices ... are essential to progress.

• We remain certain that open markets are the only way forward

• As the founders of Adobe, we believe open markets are in the best interest of developers, content owners, and consumers.

• We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications ... suits their needs.

• No company — no matter how big or how creative — should dictate what you can create, how you create it

• When markets are open, anyone with a great idea has a chance to drive innovation and find new customers.

• Adobe's business philosophy is based on a premise that, in an open market, the best products will win in the end

• In the end, we believe the question is really this: Who controls the World Wide Web (insert how you use your Software)? And we believe the answer is: nobody — and everybody, but certainly not a single company.

• As part of our commitment to enabling choice for developers, publishers, and consumers, Adobe ...

2013 welcome to Creative Cloud? Going completely against their own ideals and core values?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:25:28 GMT

[scott w] wrote:

How do you crop a photo...... wait... Rasterino! That's how! Thank heaven for AstuteGraphics.com

If only Adobe would spend some their billions in revenue to buy some of these wonderful 3rd party developer products that far and away exceed Adobe's own innovation.

There are countless examples of this (both free and ones you buy )by add-ons putting Adobe to shame concerning innovation.

Wonder what Adobe's thoughts on innovating their current products is?

http://www.macworld.com/article/2040845/adobe-vp-says-creative-cloud-is-a-big-bet-but-allo ws-for-better-tools-in-the-future.html

Sharma says that there will be more emphasis on brand-new, razor-focused applications —such as the Edge line
— rather than adding more and more functionality (and, some would say, bloat) to mature products.

Mala Sharma -- VP of professional business in Adobe’s digital media business unit

Oh yeah, more forcused on "brand-new, razor-focused applications".

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:32:03 GMT

How do you crop a photo......

wait... Rasterino! That's how! Thank heaven for AstuteGraphics.com

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:35:07 GMT

[Jongware] wrote:

W_J_T, you forgot mine!

Oh yeah sorry [Jongware], that would be awesome on a t-shirt. Maybe it should be given standard to subscribers in appreciation for joining?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:54:58 GMT

W_J_T, you forgot mine!

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 01:21:36 GMT

Carlos,

We prefer to refer to Guido as a Customer Support Technician.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 01:07:18 GMT

Scott,

It only took 10,000 views and 200 replies for your thread to achieve "Popular" status. (And only third in line after that old classic, "How do I crop a photo in Illustrator?")

I particularly like this metric. (We business tycoons like that word, "metric." Sounds cool, doesn't it?):

And this one:

;-)

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:54:32 GMT

W_J_T,

Those amateurish offerings are insignificant. As soon as our subscription fees reach a pre-designed threshold, we will simply acquire controlling stock and then discontinue them.

Kurt,

Thank you for the link! Whatever was I thinking? Once again, Adobe leads the way. I don't have to spend any of our revenue on marketing at all! I can simply rent our marketing, too!

What a great day this is for the T-shirt business!

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:40:04 GMT

oh no, now Guido the T-shirt Repo Agent is going to pay you a visit Kurt.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:26:53 GMT

...I'm having trouble seeing some posts as well

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:38:12 GMT

Well now the forum cache isn't updating for me. I can's see recent replies unless I post something.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 20:56:21 GMT

James,

you – as well as your lawyers – won't be able to hector me. Forget it. There is a weighty reason why you should be careful: I've already ordered the new top-quality Adobe legal protection insurance cloud subscription. Now you're flabbergasted, right? Great.

Moreover, it's pretty obvious that you need some coaching when it comes to real clever marketing strategies. I can understand that. You're young. You're eager for knowledge. That's fantastic!

And here comes my gift for you: The Adobe Digital Marketing Cloud. Give it a try here:

http://success.adobe.com/en/na/programs/products/digitalmarketing/successstories/1208_2116 1_holidaycheck_social.html

Please, don't forget to complete the form in order to read the success story. It's definitely worth the trouble. Why? Because then they can offer you a somewhat secret, nonetheless valuable new product: The Digital Brainwashing Cloud subscription.

I ordered it last week. It's recommendable.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 20:51:46 GMT

they should have official news about it "shortly" as per their blog post posted a few posts above

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 19:49:13 GMT

I have taken to following every Adobe pay-per-click ad I can find... facebook, etc... hoping that I will click on one that reveals Adobe will reverse course on the rent-for-life plan and become customer-centric once again.

So far, no luck. Anyone else have any luck?

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:45:55 GMT

As a once loyal customer and now deemed an insignificant minority member (don't underestimate our numbers or our wallets), I still have other options. I have contacted the following 3 instances and can get t-shirts with the following logos and actually own my t-shirt through these other providers. Plus the thread count is higher than any t-shirts you offer in addition to other added value features which make these compelling alternatives.

Adobe Dung Cloud Logo

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/logo/adobe-creative-cloud

Adobe Death Cloud Logo

https://www.facebook.com/NoMandatoryCreativeCloud

Adobe Money Cloud Logo

https://www.facebook.com/NoMandatoryCreativeCloud

All viable options with no need of "paying forever" to your ill-conceived subscription t-shirts.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:12:24 GMT

Carlos,

As we again reassured our stockholders in last week's board meeting report, ne're-do-wells and malcontents like Kurt, W_J_T, and Mike are but an insignifcant minority.

It will be easy for our associate, Guido, to find Kurt because he'll be shirtless. Everyone knows our T-shirts are the only ones that an amateur wannabe professional can actually wear. We're supremely extremely cocky about confident of that.

And just in case some do exist, we've already scheduled conferences in major cities in which any doubting wearers can rent a seat, while we explain to them in convoluted obfuscating minute detail, over the course of a few hours of indoctrination upbeat hymns, chants, and rejoicing, the brain-dead-simple benefits of our new model which are both undeniable and obvious to anyone with a brain, on the face of it.

We'll even provide the Kookaid, er, refreshments. Everyone will walk away a believer, because with all those soon-to-be-arriving monthly rental checks flowing in, no one can ever hope to outspend us on brainwashing marketing.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 00:18:17 GMT

this comedy is going great, we just need someone to play the part of one of the Thousands of happy customers who think that JET is doing us a favor by renting us his T-Shirts instead of selling them like he used to.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:59:17 GMT

Kurt,

You have just revealed to the public our technology for retrieving our shirts when subscription payments are discontinued. That is proprietary information, and publicizing it violates the NDA which was part of your Rental License Agreement.

See how much misery you could have avoided by simply paying your monthly $3.95 (introductory) fees like we demanded...um, offered?

You may expect to be hearing from our lawyers.

We do know how to find you.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:30:32 GMT

James,

due to your heartless and deceptive business attitude my shirt's already gone with the wind. Right into your own dark clouds. A crying shame.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:42:47 GMT

CarlosCanto wrote:

hmm...I just posted in the mentioned thread in the CC forum and did not get that big brother warning.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/5374151?tstart=0#5374151

Hi CarlosCanto, I never actually mentioned a specific thread, it was actually this thread http://forums.adobe.com/message/5373782

My message was since allowed to be posted and showed up, however now my message has been removed 8 hours later. Maybe post in that thread and see how Big Brother treats you. ;-)

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:41:45 GMT

hmm...I just posted in the mentioned thread in the CC forum and did not get that big brother warning.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/5374151?tstart=0#5374151

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:55:37 GMT

In the Creative Cloud forum myself and others are now seeing the following message:

"Please note, your reply will need to be approved by a moderator before it is posted in the forum."

This is absurd, I have also had multiple posts deleted (aka censored).

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Mon, 03 Jun 2013 00:39:43 GMT

Kurt,

I can tell from your post that you are obviously a beginner T-shirt wearer. As everyone knows, our T-shirts are meant for professionals.

So of course that puts you squarely dead center of our development strategy! That's why all our new features over the past few decades have been of the whiz-bang instant-gratification type, designed to entice the hearts and souls of beginners like yourself. We have only now to capture your wallets. Remember, these are very professional T-shirts.

We very much appreciate your feature requests. After all, it's beginners like you who direct the development of our professional T-shirts. But our records do not indicate having received your subscription payment. Please be sure to submit your payment and take advantage of our special introductory pricing so that you, too, can start continuously renting a T-shirt at vertical-market prices, just like a real wearing professional.

Meanwhile, if you have any other questions, feel free to visit our Wearer-To-Wearer Forum, where other beginners like yourself can advise you on wearing our industry leading professional T-shirts. As soon as we receive your payment, then you can visit our Online Community Help system from where we can redirect your comments and questions to our Wearer-To-Wearer Forum. (Remember; help is not a document.)

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 20:21:41 GMT

In case I sink into poverty, would you then be as gentle as Martin of Tours?

Or would you only donate the sleeves? Or at least a small part of the seam?

I did a search in your wearer forum, but couldn't find anything there.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 05:24:54 GMT

Your question has been routed to our online Wearer-To-Wearer Forum.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 05:13:34 GMT

JETalmage wrote:

All of your questions have been routed to our online Wearer-To-Wearer Forum.

I feel like my voice is not being heard, I already tried that before posting here, the staff skipped my question, I really need help. I have been a t-shirt wearer since childhood, why cant I get better help as a longtime existing loyal wearer? If you don't get your act together I will go shirtless.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 05:06:55 GMT

All of your questions have been routed to our online Wearer-To-Wearer Forum.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 04:58:48 GMT

JETalmage wrote:

Tell you what: If you go ahead and pay for a year's worth of wearing pleasure in advance, I'll give you a 10% discount. Hurry. Offer good until end of next week.

I still have a few questions:

If I don't wish to rent my t-shirts are there still options to own my t-shirt without subscription like was officially declared 1-2 years ago?
If not then why was I told to iron all my other t-shirts to prepare for this new version?
You used to offer tank tops and sleeveless versions, now I see I can only get a full regular t-short, why is this?
What happens if my t-shirt loses contact with my skin, will my subscription stop working?
Sometimes my girlfriend wears my t-shirts if I change girlfriends do I first need to de-authorize my previous girlfriend before installing the t-shirt on my new girlfriend, if not does this go against the user agreement and terms, how many girlfriends are allowed?
If the t-shirt image fades are me and my cloths washer liable or are you?
My entire town wants them do you offer community options at reasonable price points?
Are the advertised "services" included such as storage options (front breast pocket), tag-less embedded labels, moisture wicking, sweat collection (finally), etc., in that price as added value features for the subscription only members, or is that extra. If so why are they not included with the non-subscription t-shirt?
Also I have been a long time wearer of more basic t-shirts, do you offer upgrade prices for loyal customers?
Should I choose to cancel my t-shirt subscription, will the fonts used on the shirt continue to work?
If I decide to cancel my t-shirt subscription after 30 days of wearing the t-shirt but still have not washed it yet am I eligible for a full refund?
Can the laundry detergent "service" be added as a premium service at extra cost, or is that only available to enterprise customers?

Sorry for all the questions I first tried phone support and the online chat option but I still did not get adequate answers to my inquires.

You may wish to improve your customer support to avoid so much confusion.

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sun, 02 Jun 2013 02:18:00 GMT

Sorry. We're not selling T-shirts anymore. We've gone to a subscription-based business model. This is a big step forward for us. The stockholders love the idea.

You really should take advantage of it. You're just being foolish by resisting. I'm confident you'll eventually come around.

I mean, where else can you acquire and start wearing right away a professional-level current-event satirical commentary T-shirt for a mere $3.95?

Tell you what: If you go ahead and pay for a year's worth of wearing pleasure in advance, I'll give you a 10% discount. Hurry. Offer good until end of next week.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Jun 2013 23:10:27 GMT

...I want to BUY that T Shirt

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Jun 2013 22:37:11 GMT

That's a special introductory price.

JET

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Jun 2013 22:36:02 GMT

Brilliant, Jet. But I would raise the price after the first couple months out of general principle. And besides, I could always get a new (uh, updated) t-shirt before the image begins to fade and I would always feel as if it were new all the time. Even if there were no changes...

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 01 Jun 2013 22:28:25 GMT

...with over 80% of people purchasing on Adobe.com selecting Creative Cloud.

I've decided to go into the rental business. All I need is one taker; then I can claim that I have 100% buy-in from my suckers customers!

JET ;-)

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 29 May 2013 23:40:01 GMT

thanks for the update Scott...makes me think if the response has been so overwhelmingly in favor, why bother posting this kind of letters...

quotes...

...with over 80% of people purchasing on Adobe.com selecting Creative Cloud.

shouldn't it be 100%? after all, why are 20% of customers buying a soon to be outdated software?

If you have any questions or comments, please post them in our forums, where we are continuing the conversation.

I don't think there was a conversation, the only response I saw in the forums was the same scripted answer "sorry for the misunderstanding, please refer to the our FAQ"

Re: Don't hold your breath for CS7....

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 29 May 2013 23:01:57 GMT

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Right there with you.. and great link.