Adobe Community: Message List - How to do multi-stage blending

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:01:56 GMT

Looks great!

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:43:55 GMT

Just for interest sake: my output PDF can be found at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzxt3kuNPaEccU8wSlkzQVpJWW8/edit?usp=sharing

The aperture in question is object 11, line 170. As well as objects 12 and 13, but they are simply modifications of the same aperture (I left the apertures uncompressed for easy debugging).

The Gerber draws a large circle and then erases a smaller circle and two lines.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:16:18 GMT

My pleasure - glad to hear it's working!

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:46:56 GMT

Clipping paths work perfectly -- thank you.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 11:59:06 GMT

I want to avoid rasterising because I want to end up with a nice and neat

PDF that I can embed in a LaTeX document. For any practical PCB (printed

circuit board), the Gerber is rasterised to at least 1200 dpi (often 2400

dpi) in order to obtain adequate resolution on small features. For a PCB

that is A4 in size, that is quite a large picture, even after PNG

compression.

I could of course rasterise only the apertures (which are generally small

compared to the PCB), but I prefer a more elegant solution.

I like the clipping idea. I can draw the aperture primitives front to

back: augment the clipping structure for "clear" primitives and draw the

"dark" primitives using this structure. If I cannot augment clipping

structures on the fly, I can always generate multiple clipping structures

and use the correct one for each "dark" stage.

For the moment, I can live with drawing in white because I'll generally

print the PDF onto a white background. Even when printing to a

transparency, the printer assumes a white page and will only deposit black

ink where I want it. It would be nice to render the different copper

layers as different coloured transparent layers on top of each other, in

which case I would need to generate proper holes, but this would be a

future feature of my converter...

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 11:06:53 GMT

You set up a clipping path and then whatever you draw after clipped to the shape of that path. The clipping path can be defined by either other paths or text shapes. This is a "hard" clip/mask operation, in that things are either IN or OUT (on/off). If you want to get fancy, you can use a transparency mask (called a SoftMask) where things can be partially in/out.

This aperture definitely appears to assume a raster-based output where you can erase. (consider a printer where such a thing is impossible). Since they assume a raster anyway, I would probably consider rasterizing it yourself and then putting the raster results into the PDF. Obviously you lose resolution independence but not sure how important that is. The alternative would be to do path based operations to compute the final path(s) to be rendered and then put that into the PDF. You can use some of the well know "polygon clipping" solutions for such a task.

Drawing in white is a bad idea since it assumes that the final output will be drawn on a white background - which isn't always the case. PDF assumes a transparent (or really, nothing drawn) background so if you were to use white - you'd get white and not "nothing".

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 09:08:40 GMT

I'll investigate...

If I understand clipping correctly, you set up a clipping shape / object,

and then draw over it. The object you're drawing will then be clipped by

the clipping mask. Do I understand correctly?

I'm writing a gerber to pdf converter. They have an object called an

aperture, which can be drawn by a series of draw / erase cycles. The order

matters, 'cause you can't erase what hasn't been drawn yet, and you can

draw over a previously erased portion.

If you want a ring with a cross over it, you draw a big circle, erase a

smaller circle, and then draw the two lines.

After creating this aperture you can draw the result onto the

artwork-in-progress either positive (draw as is) or negative (erase / make

a hole). The latter I implement as drawing in white, but I cannot use that

trick for the apertures.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:50:04 GMT

What you can do to "erase" is clip. (obviously it's not really erasing but hiding), but has the same visual.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 07:56:18 GMT

Ah - this makes sence. Thank you.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 07:52:44 GMT

An implementation is not mandated to use bitmap buffering at any point. It can implement other ways. There is no way to erase in the object model, a deliberate omission to allow flexibility of implementation.

If thinking PDF must be passed through a bitmap buffer your view is (understandably) narrow. PDFs are not always rendered to a bitmap as their final result. For example they might be converted to another graphics format, where retaining as much vector information as possible is desirable.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 07:45:38 GMT

Thank you for the confirmation.

Does the model used by modern graphic systems support some other method of vectorised erase?

Just out of pure curiosity: how does the reader / printer implement transparency groups without some sort of intermediary bitmapped buffer?

On OpenGL I would antialiase in the fragment shader, use the depth buffer to avoid artifacts on the edges and use a frame buffer object to implement transparency groups.

Re: How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:25:45 GMT

You are correct that because of the use of a Union, what you want to accomplish will require that you "segment" your object. This is because you are thinking about transparency as a simple "bitmap" - but that's not the model used by modern graphic systems.

How to do multi-stage blending

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:32:42 GMT

I want to do the following blending operation in RGB space:

Within the transparency group (I'm using a Form XObject), the resulting colour is the source colour (i.e. no blending). The resulting alpha is the source alpha.

Then I want to blend this form with the page using the standard transparency formula: C_r = (1-a_s)*C_b + a_s*C_s.

For instance, If I draw a solid black circle with alpha 1 and then two thin lines over it (one horizontal and the other vertical), both with alpha 0, I should end up with 4 quadrants. I can then place this group onto the page so that the 4 quadrants are drawn in black on the page and the space where the lines were drawn are transparent, so that the original page contents can be seen through it.

Is this possible in PDF, or do I need to combine the objects into a complex polygon? In my application, alpha is always 0 or 1. Section 7.2.6 of PDF version 1.5, fourth edition, seem to suggest that this is not possible (due to the Union function used to calculate the resulting alpha).