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Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:58:36 GMT

Hi Jim,

Jim Curtis wrote:

It would be cool to have the ability to have both CC 2014 (8) and CC 2014.1 (8.1) installed, though, that would be a feature request.

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn or giving away the store, but this is possible. I'm doing it now. I switch daily between 8.0 and 8.1 (but not on the same projects). I use 8.0 for older large projects that I don't want to risk having Pr not work. And, I use 8.1 for new projects - mostly small ones, until the new build matures and stabilizes and is reliable as 8.0.

There are a couple of ways to do this. The easiest is to clone your drive; update from 8.0 to 8.1, and then just drag 8.0 from your cloned disk to your newly update Pr folder. Another way is to zip 8.0, update the app to 8.1, then unzip 8.0. Important: Rename the apps as you go to avoid having two apps with the same name, or over-writing the old version with the new one. Be sure to launch from the app if you want to use 8.0. Double-clicking a Project icon will launch 8.1.

I've encountered no problems doing this (so far; and I've been doing this for weeks). In fact, I have had 8.0 and 8.1 launched and open at the same time. I can copy from an 8.0 project timeline and paste into 8.1, but I can't go the other way. Too bad, because that would be a way to retrograde a project.

This doesn't work with Ae.

Cool workaround. Thanks for posting it.

Best,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:58:21 GMT

Hi Kevin,

I do appreciate your situation. Caught between the development team and angry and frustrated customers. But instead of telling me that I need to maintain 2+ versions of Premiere on my system in order to utilize the Creative Cloud, a 'mea culpa' would be much more appreciated and fair.

Adobe screwed up. It happens. Don't tell me that it's the users fault for not juggling 2+ versions of Premiere in order to upgrade without fear. Either a new version can work with older project files or it can't. I don't understand how this can in any way be blamed on Adobe's customers. We're paying monthly for this software and version project portability (at least in one direction) is a stated feature.

Seriously, if Adobe can't recreate this bug, why don't they send an engineer to the home of one of the people experiencing this terrible problem. Surely it'll cost less than having 20 QA people spend a week looking for it. Or is it not possible to debug on a user's machine?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:57:35 GMT

Hello PDT,

ProDesignTools wrote:

Kevin Monahan wrote:

I find that most of the people having issues with 8.1 are people that updated project files midway through the project. This should never be done

Hi Kevin, thanks for your response. Is that written or posted anywhere? We have never heard it before.

You're welcome. I'm sorry that this is news to you. Most editors that have been professionally trained have this ingrained into their workflow. At least my instructors (some of the best in LA) made sure that we all knew this. When I became an instructor, I gave the same information to my students.

Is it written anywhere in the documentation? I don't believe so. However, it's what I call one of the R.O.T.s (rules of thumb) of editing.

"Always protect your project file: don't update it and always have back ups."
The other big one is to create multiple back ups of your project file daily, on various back up drives and in the Cloud, never relying on Auto Save or a single disk to protect your project file.
Another good one is to never update your OS in the middle of project. It's another one that gets by inexperienced editors.

ProDesignTools wrote:

Historically, Adobe has always touted the forwards-compatibility of file formats so that users would feel free to upgrade their tools (reducing friction to buying). In other words, anyone can open a Photoshop (etc) CS5 file in CC 2014 no problem. When you have a lot of IP created over the years in previous CS/CC releases, this is a big deal.

Digital video users are in rather a different position than other Creative Cloud users in that Premiere Pro does not have built in backward compatibility. Should anything go wrong with a Photoshop or Illustrator file, you can always open up your existing project file in a previous version of that application. With Premiere Pro, you do not have that luxury, so you have to take a more careful approach at how you deal with legacy projects. BTW, you can revert some projects using XML, but I'll save that topic for another time.

For many users, there are no issues with updating an existing project file. Simple projects have the least problems with an application update. If you have a more complex project, by all means, try updating it if you must—with your back up project tucked securely away. Trust—but verify!

Conversely, complicated projects like docs with hundreds of source files and formats, feature films with hundreds of GB of footage, multicamera projects with multiple sequences of 10 angles or more, for example, might be more susceptible to issues. Keep in mind that each major update of the application gets new "guts." Stuff you should be wary of until you've run your tests.

ProDesignTools wrote:

Unless I'm misunderstanding, what you said seems to run counter to that - and implies that you should never open/edit an older project in a newer version of Premiere.

To avoid problems, you should avoid it, yes. That said, you can always try a test with your back up project(s) standing by should things go wrong. Again, the more complicated a project is, the more likely things can go south.

ProDesignTools wrote:

Does that mean the user needs to maintain a set of Premiere binaries on their systems to match the project files that were created by them?

Yes, if you are handling a lot of legacy projects it's a good idea to have multiple installations of Premiere Pro. If you are not and want to save disk space, you don't have to since you can easily download previous versions.

ProDesignTools wrote:

How is that possible for minor versions within a major release?

For example, the Premiere 2014.0 version updates to 2014.1 on my machine, but then the client asks for a late or unexpected change in a project that was created in 2014.0. How do I address that?

Uninstall Premiere Pro CC 2014.1 (8.1) and reinstall Premiere Pro CC 2014 (8.0) if you have only one machine. I use my laptop to run Premiere Pro CC 2014. It's always one version behind for the reason cited in your example.

ProDesignTools wrote:

I can't have the two running at the same time on the same system.

Right. That's why I have 2 computers. A PC desktop and a Mac Book Pro. My MacBook Pro still runs Premiere Pro CC 2014 (8.0.1).

ProDesignTools wrote:

Do I need to get another computer and/or go through the process of temporarily reverting back to 2014.0 just to be sure that I can safely make changes to the file?

Yes, that's my method. Works great.

ProDesignTools wrote:

It's the real world and arguably Adobe should address common real-world use cases... One could suggest the "bug" is if the product cannot successfully convert or forward-migrate file formats from previous releases - especially from versions that came out only a few weeks or months ago.

I never said that one should not expect forward compatibility. We do test for that, and most of the time, there are no issues. However, Premiere Pro is a complicated program, with millions of lines of code. Each major update gets new components added, new encoders, new lines of code, etc. Significant changes to the application and project file do occur. Complicated projects are more susceptible to anomalies, that's just how it is. Extra care and caution related to project file management is just a reality that editors need to deal with. And this is nothing new. I learned NLEs in the 90's and many of the important R.O.T.s (like this one) are the same today.

I don't see it as a bug. I see it as an education issue: "avoid trouble, don't update your project file unless absolutely necessary. If you must do so, be very sure you have a back up project file." This is true with all NLEs on the market today.

Please help spread the word.

ProDesignTools wrote:

With the advent of Creative Cloud now making upgrades easy, free, and frequent, it seems this could become a larger and larger issue - and a bigger problem for everyone if not somehow addressed.

It's a good point you make there. Not everyone on Creative Cloud had the luxury of going to a good trade school, learning best practices, as I did. I think I'll create a blog post that addresses these very real concerns you all have.

Thanks very much for bringing up these topics.

Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:26:13 GMT

It would be cool to have the ability to have both CC 2014 (8) and CC 2014.1 (8.1) installed, though, that would be a feature request.

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn or giving away the store, but this is possible. I'm doing it now. I switch daily between 8.0 and 8.1 (but not on the same projects). I use 8.0 for older large projects that I don't want to risk having Pr not work. And, I use 8.1 for new projects - mostly small ones, until the new build matures and stabilizes and is reliable as 8.0.

There are a couple of ways to do this. The easiest is to clone your drive; update from 8.0 to 8.1, and then just drag 8.0 from your cloned disk to your newly update Pr folder. Another way is to zip 8.0, update the app to 8.1, then unzip 8.0. Important: Rename the apps as you go to avoid having two apps with the same name, or over-writing the old version with the new one. Be sure to launch from the app if you want to use 8.0. Double-clicking a Project icon will launch 8.1.

I've encountered no problems doing this (so far; and I've been doing this for weeks). In fact, I have had 8.0 and 8.1 launched and open at the same time. I can copy from an 8.0 project timeline and paste into 8.1, but I can't go the other way. Too bad, because that would be a way to retrograde a project.

This doesn't work with Ae.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:13:36 GMT

Hi,

RedDirt wrote:

AAlso -- who wants software that won't work properly with projects from 2 weeks ago... There is a real posterity issue here too, with upgrades. What if I think I'm clear to upgrade only to find out last month's client needs me to crack open that edit again?

When CS6 came out, I didn't rush to update my projects to CC. Even ones only created a day before the CC release. I stayed in CS6 until that project was done. If you need to open a legacy project, you can use a previous version of Premiere Pro. If it's not installed presently, you can get it immediately from Creative Cloud for desktop. Does that work for you?

Thanks,

Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:08:45 GMT

Hello,

RedDirt wrote:

Kevin this is a very good point RNeil makes. waiting until you are between projects may work for a hobbyist... Not for a professional.

You can work around this by having multiple installations of Premiere Pro installed. Once you start work on a project, it's in your best interest to stay with that project file format until the project is complete. This goes for hobbyists, pros, everyone.

Case in point: Next week, I will get to see Walter Murch speak to the SF Cutters. I'm reminded that he cut "Cold Mountain" on FCP 4.5. By the time the editing was complete, FCP 6 had come out. Did Walter finish the film on FCP 6? No, he stayed with FCP 4.5 the whole way through.

I don't believe I am alone in my hardcore approach.

RedDirt wrote:

Particularly not when the update purports to actually FIX issues you were having with the existing version... which was my situation with Red RAW footage. Surely wait-until-you're-unemployed is not the answer for us.

If I had issues with my source footage, I would not ever begin a project with such issues. I would use a previous version that handled my source footage as expected.

If it is an absolute necessity to update your project file because you've already done too much work on a project, had issues with a "show stopping" bug, and that bug got fixed, I would do so very, very cautiously, making absolutely sure I had a project file I could return to should the new version of the application mangle my updated project file.

RedDirt wrote:

If so, then the subscription model is truly a fail and users are better off with buying the upgrade (since they'll only be able to do that every two years or so anyway, if waiting to be between clients).

If that's your opinion, fine. I don't think it's a huge issue considering you can have multiple installations of the application on board. Any installation you do not have or do not care to install can easily be installed via Creative Cloud for desktop in minutes.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:54:33 GMT

Hi Neil,

R. Neil Haugen wrote:

Even in my small little operation, between clients taking time to consider and such, I can have projects sitting for several months prior to completion. At any one time I've got several projects in various stages. There hasn't been a time over the last year-plus when I've had every project "cleared" and could easily upgrade without worrying about multiple projects being at risk. My projects are simpler than most, but still, I've had to start over a couple times. In all, I'm a big fan of the Cloud concept as per Adobe thinking. LOVE working with the programs.

You can have multiple versions of Premiere Pro installed at any one time. Currently, I have CS6, CC (7), and CC 2014.1 (8.1), so I can cover most of my projects "in progress." If I need access to CC 2014 (8), I can simply reinstall it. It would be cool to have the ability to have both CC 2014 (8) and CC 2014.1 (8.1) installed, though, that would be a feature request.

R. Neil Haugen wrote:

The upgrade pipeline is still worrisome for me, can't imagine what a house with major commercial projects would be like ... any suggestions other than clear the decks before upgrading?

As I said, it's best to leave multiple installations of Premiere Pro on your computer if you have older projects that still need finishing up. Would that work for you?

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:38:44 GMT

If it is true that one should never update to a newer version of Premiere mid-project, then the Creative Cloud has one of it's greatest benefits completely removed. Adobe touts the ability to get bug fixes and new features in a timely fashion because of the delivery system of the Creative Cloud. I never read anywhere that users should not update mid-project. This statement seems like an effort to deflect blame for this bug. What is the point of enabling users to convert older projects to the new format if this is unadvised? Either a format conversion works as it should or it doesn't.

And, as I'm sure many other users can attest, some projects take many months, if not over a year to complete. Preventing one from upgrading to a new version of Premiere during the entire time completely invalidates the Creative Cloud system. Not to mention the fact that my projects overlap, so there would never be a time when all projects are complete... unless I'm unemployed.

On a side note, my situation went from bad to worse. In an effort to rule out hardware problems as the cause of my Premiere grief, I reset my BIOS to restore my overclocking settings, which reset the SATA controller, which invalidated my hardware RAID. All data was backed up, but I was unable to complete some work before my trip. At this point all hard drives were seemingly functional as I could reset the RAID setup. When I returned from my trip today, I turned on my computer to discover that one of the hard drives is now toast. It seems that going from near constant use (due to Premiere's endless background file transfers) to sitting cold and unused for 6 days, has killed the drive. While I can't fairly blame Premiere for this hard-drive failure, it adds to my pain caused by upgrading to the latest version of Premiere. I'm not sure many consumer drives, even the WD Black drives I use, are intended to support near constant file transfers for 80% of the time every day.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:39:53 GMT

Hi Kevin,

Regarding avoiding updates in the middle of projects, I agree with your sentiment when it comes to major upgrades (7.x to 8.x, etc.) but 8.0 to 8.1 isn't something I should have to avoid in the middle of a project. Especially if the main purpose of the update is bug fixing.

As has already been said, avoiding any updating while midway through a project is not a solution to this issue. Most full-time editors have many projects in various states of completion, and if Adobe can't solve this issue, it's a major drawback to the program.

Thank you, and I appreciate the customer support.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:25:41 GMT

Kevin Monahan wrote:

I find that most of the people having issues with 8.1 are people that updated project files midway through the project. This should never be done, particularly with large, complex project files: feature films, multi-camera sequences, documentaries with lots of varying source media, etc. When I was an instructor, I made sure all my students were well aware of this important issue.

I always ask people to try a new project with newly ingested media and projects work as expected in most cases. As astounding as that sounds, the "bugs" customers are complaining about on this thread (and others) cannot be duplicated in house, so we cannot fix that which we cannot recreate. We have even worked directly with some of these customers in trying to resolve these issues to no avail.

Hi Kevin, thanks for your response. Is that written or posted anywhere? We have never heard it before.

Historically, Adobe has always touted the forwards-compatibility of file formats so that users would feel free to upgrade their tools (reducing friction to buying). In other words, anyone can open a Photoshop (etc) CS5 file in CC 2014 no problem. When you have a lot of IP created over the years in previous CS/CC releases, this is a big deal.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, what you said seems to run counter to that - and implies that you should never open/edit an older project in a newer version of Premiere. Does that mean the user needs to maintain a set of Premiere binaries on their systems to match the project files that were created by them? How is that possible for minor versions within a major release?

For example, the Premiere 2014.0 version updates to 2014.1 on my machine, but then the client asks for a late or unexpected change in a project that was created in 2014.0. How do I address that? I can't have the two running at the same time on the same system. Do I need to get another computer and/or go through the process of temporarily reverting back to 2014.0 just to be sure that I can safely make changes to the file?

It's the real world and arguably Adobe should address common real-world use cases... One could suggest the "bug" is if the product cannot successfully convert or forward-migrate file formats from previous releases - especially from versions that came out only a few weeks or months ago.

With the advent of Creative Cloud now making upgrades easy, free, and frequent, it seems this could become a larger and larger issue - and a bigger problem for everyone if not somehow addressed.

Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding any of this. Thanks for your help, really appreciate it!

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:20:29 GMT

I'm just asking for a bit of advice ... it is not always possible to run multiple sets of the Adobe DVA's at the same time ... my projects typically involve PrPro & SpeedGrade and now & then need a bit of AeFx. It's not really possible to run multiple versions simultaneously on one box, and I can't justify purchasing multiple editing machines with multiple licenses as yes, half my license is my laptop which is kept up current with my desktop. Un-installing to revert, then re-upping a few hours later is a pain in the tushie.

This is one part of the otherwise nifty constant-updating thing that is a bit ... difficult.

Neil

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:16:58 GMT

AAlso -- who wants software that won't work properly with projects from 2 weeks ago... There is a real posterity issue here too, with upgrades. What if I think I'm clear to upgrade only to find out last month's client needs me to crack open that edit again?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:13:28 GMT

Kevin this is a very good point RNeil makes. waiting until you are between projects may work for a hobbyist... Not for a professional. Particularly not when the update purports to actually FIX issues you were having with the existing version... which was my situation with Red RAW footage. Surely wait-until-you're-unemployed is not the answer for us.

If so, then the subscription model is truly a fail and users are better off with buying the upgrade (since they'll only be able to do that every two years or so anyway, if waiting to be between clients).

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:01:44 GMT

Kevin,.

Even in my small little operation, between clients taking time to consider and such, I can have projects sitting for several months prior to completion. At any one time I've got several projects in various stages. There hasn't been a time over the last year-plus when I've had every project "cleared" and could easily upgrade without worrying about multiple projects being at risk. My projects are simpler than most, but still, I've had to start over a couple times. In all, I'm a big fan of the Cloud concept as per Adobe thinking. LOVE working with the programs.

The upgrade pipeline is still worrisome for me, can't imagine what a house with major commercial projects would be like ... any suggestions other than clear the decks before upgrading?

Neil

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:40:39 GMT

Hi WC,

Glad this workaround worked for you. I hope we can help you resolve issues so you can move to 8.1.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:38:38 GMT

Hi Logan,

I find that most of the people having issues with 8.1 are people that updated project files midway through the project. This should never be done, particularly with large, complex project files: feature films, multi-camera sequences, documentaries with lots of varying source media, etc. When I was an instructor, I made sure all my students were well aware of this important issue.

I always ask people to try a new project with newly ingested media and projects work as expected in most cases. As astounding as that sounds, the "bugs" customers are complaining about on this thread (and others) cannot be duplicated in house, so we cannot fix that which we cannot recreate. We have even worked directly with some of these customers in trying to resolve these issues to no avail.

That is why it is important for all on this thread to please file a bug report: http://adobe.ly/ReportBug We need more info from you to solve issues, especially those not related to updating a project file.

Updates are always coming up with the Creative Cloud model. I wouldn't expect any fixes related to anomalies introduced by updating a project file. You simply should protect your current project file at all costs. Part of that process is to avoid updating Premiere Pro until a project is complete.

Hope this puts things into a bit better perspective.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:40:35 GMT

Kevin Monahan kirjoitti:

Hi Sakari,

What happens if you choose Project Settings > General > Renderer > Mercury Playback Engine Software Only?

If exporting, can you also see if you have problems after setting to Software Only?

Thanks,

Kevin

Hi Kevin and sorry for late answer - due to my work and deadlines I had the time to test only the rendering with Software Only - it resolved the rendering issues (parts with blur effect rendered wrong with GPU on), now all the parts of the video exported correctly. Unfortunately I did not have time to test more of 8.1.0 problems, instad I rolled back to 8.0.1.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 01:53:29 GMT

Kevin,

I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that I appreciate your being very proactive on this issue.

I'm a freelancer, and I do consider regular software checks and troubleshooting to be vital to the profession. But what was an occasional run through is now a daily, if not multiple times daily task. Like RedDirt, I'm inclined to suss out the cause of a problem and solve it. I have followed every suggestion in this thread, some many times. I've had no success. I've tried a version rollback, exporting and then importing EDLs and it proved only a partial fix as many cuts proved to be inaccurate, and random spaces between clips would appear. Never mind sound, keyframes, or any other adjustment I'd made.

Since the most recent update my experience has been:

-Render time is inconsistent, regardless of GPU status. "Software only" works for a bit, but it'll eventually either crash or grind to a crawl. Besides, what do I have a souped MacBook Pro for?

-Dynamic Link regularly bogs down or crashes PP.

-Plugins (third party and bundled) bog down, crash PP, or barely work at all (Warp Stabilizer is a headache).

-Playback will freeze up in various states (won't play / won't stop playing even though the frame is frozen and doesn't respond to keyboard commands / crashes during playback).

-Different video codecs in the timeline (the first reason I purchased CC) renders the program unusable.

-Exporting media is inconsistent. Some days good. Some days I might get fired because I don't deliver until 7:30pm.

Just today I've force PP to quit a dozen times. Even if I don't force quit I get a crash report 9 out of 10 times.

My computer:

2014 MacBook Pro Retina

OSX 10.9.5

2.3 GHz Intel Core i7

NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2048 MB

16 GB RAM

I read that you should make sure your computer can handle an update. I thought it could.

My question is this: Can we expect an update in the near future?

With other software companies, if an update is released and within days a bug is discovered, it's a big deal, and usually patched within days. This has been my life (and judging by the forum, many other people's lives) for over a month now. You, Kevin, and you alone seem to be the sole voice addressing this from the company.

For that I thank you.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 21:11:38 GMT

I've got the same issue. Editing a feature shot on Red Epic Dragon 6k. It was screaming fast and handling the raw footage and the timeline was buttery until I updated 2 days ago.

Interesting things to add:

I switched from the feature to edit a corporate video that had very little footage but lots of titles and graphics, and the performance on 8.1 was excellent. No trouble at all.

Now I'm back on the feature and it's unworkably slow. vanlazarus2013 mentioned that it seems like a huge data transfer is going on in the background, and I can tell that I'm having the same issue. My RAID drives are chugging HARD at something when I'm not doing anything. Interestingly, playback is fine for me, it's just timeline work is intolerable.

I did notice on a couple bins that were open a little indicator that said (indexing __%) flash by. Is premiere trying to index my 22TB of material?

I should add that I have tried all of the suggested remedies here to no avail.

Anyway, kudos to Adobe for having such an easy way to roll back to the previous version. I'm all good now on 8.0, but I'm looking forward to a fix for this. I like the new blue colour.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:55:15 GMT

**Yes, but I seem to recall the hack worked between CS6 and CS5.5 or CS5. So, it might not be out of the question to go from 8.1 to 8.0.**

For grins, I did open a Pr 8.1 project in TextWrangler, and nothing was blindingly obvious about which project version was tagged.

But, coding isn't my thing, which is why I suggested somebody with those skills take a look.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:46:32 GMT

Jim Curtis wrote:

BTW, there used to be a hack to open Pr Project in a previous version that involved opening the Project file in a text editor or Text Wrangler, and changing some code at the top of the document, then Saving As. This was a way of getting around Pr not having a Save As Previous Version function. It worked! I can't remember how, or if this is even possible with the current build. But, maybe some smart person could dig in and see if this is possible with the new build.

That's a good question but Adobe made some changes in the file format between CS6 and CC, so that downsaving doesn't work quite the same way now as before.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:41:41 GMT

I'm still on 10.8.5. Maybe that's the difference.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:09:25 GMT

For the record, doing a Clean Install of OS Mavericks 10.9.5 did NOT resolve my performance issues with 8.1, Jim. Hoping to have time next week to try some of the things Bruce & Team have suggested -- just have to hit a well-planned stopping point on this feature I'm working on, so that nothing gets lost/destroyed/etc. Vanlaz's situation sounds like a nightmare that just keeps piling on... a cautionary tale to be sure.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:03:21 GMT

Sorry to hear of your troubles. I've been there (except for "invalidating" a big RAID - that sounds terrible).

The first time I loaded the current rev of Pr 8.1.0, it didn't respond on quite a few features (such as: tweaking Motion tab position didn't do anything, effects didn't have any effect). I blamed Pr for having "major" bugs. But, since then, I uninstalled, reinstalled, reinstalled my graphics and GPU drivers, io card drivers, and then Pr started working. I've done a few projects on it since, and have only noticed a few bugs, none of which are show-stoppers. Like you, the previous build 8.0.0 was working fine, so I came to the same conclusion about 8.1.0. What eventually fixed it for me was reinstalling my OS. That sounds drastic, but on OSX, you can reinstall the OS without wiping out your applications and User folder documents and libraries. It took me about an hour (I have an SSD boot disk.). Many people that say "I've tried everything" haven't. Or, they don't include an OS or drivers reinstall as "everything." My point is if there was something wrong with the software, it would likely affect everybody. Everybody would be making the same complaint as you.

BTW, there used to be a hack to open Pr Project in a previous version that involved opening the Project file in a text editor or Text Wrangler, and changing some code at the top of the document, then Saving As. This was a way of getting around Pr not having a Save As Previous Version function. It worked! I can't remember how, or if this is even possible with the current build. But, maybe some smart person could dig in and see if this is possible with the new build.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:35:37 GMT

Yes, this is true. In an effort to test your theory, I reset my bios overclock to defaults, thinking my overclock was failing and causing the extreme render slowdown that started yesterday. Unfortunately this reset my sata controller back to AHCI and invalidated my 12tb RAID 0 drive on which my feature film project was located. I was able to recover my recent project files and all the data exists on backups but I just spent 6 hours trying to restore this raid... in vain.... Preventing me from rendering one scene we were going to show at the american film market today. I fly to LA in a few hours, leaving my computer and project in disarray.

I can't know 100% if my hardware setup is not to blame but there is a 99% chance that it is an Adobe bug that has caused me all this grief this past week. I wish I was a David Fincher and had some actual leverage to get this issue fixed right away.

I guess the most frustrating aspect of this is that I have no idea what Adobe is doing to try and find the problem some of us are having with the latest Premiere. Could it be months before Premiere is usable again for me?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 15:46:18 GMT

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

How can it be a hardware issue if;

Same computer + same project + Premiere 8.0.1 = smooth UI experience

Same computer + same project + Premiere 8.1 = terrible UI experience

The only variable that changed is Premiere. Therefore, the problem is Premiere.

Most likely, but not necessarily. The configurations, software and hardware up and down the stack are increasingly complex and varied – so it's possible that a correct change at the Premiere application layer is tickling an esoteric bug further down in at the driver, o/s, or hardware/firmware level (which only some customers are experiencing on particular rigs).

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:16:52 GMT

How can it be a hardware issue if;

Same computer + same project + Premiere 8.0.1 = smooth UI experience

Same computer + same project + Premiere 8.1 = terrible UI experience

The only variable that changed is Premiere. Therefore, the problem is Premiere.

I'm now getting a weird render slowdown. Just rendered 2 1080p versions of a sequence in about 15min each. A lower res version of the same sequence is now taking over 90minutes?!?!??! Both using AME and both using software (cause GPU crashes). I restarted Premiere and restarted my machine. No difference.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 03:12:04 GMT

..try visiting the PPBM7 website and test your machine on the video benchmark for PPro.

Sometimes its a hardware issue...

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:02:30 GMT

I'm demanding a few months of Creative Cloud free for this complete disaster of a version. Surely some software standard must be achieved for Adobe to legally charge for a product.

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forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:55:26 GMT

It would be great to get some kind of status from Adobe about this horrible problem in Premiere! Daily! Has anyone there been able to recreate this problem yet???

It's gotten so bad that I don't even get preview display. I move the cursor to anywhere on the timeline and nothing is shown in the Program Monitor. Blackness. Yet Premiere is still slamming my Raid 0 project drive with 35mb/s+ transfers. I have to restart Premiere (and wait 5 minutes for the project to load) in order to be able to see what I'm editing!

This is intolerable, yet I have no options. I can't redo hundreds of hours of work and recreate the film in an old version of Premiere. I'm trying to deliver content for the American Film Market tomorrow. ARGH!

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 00:36:45 GMT

Could this sluggishness have something to do with Premiere endlessly regenerating thumbnails for video clips in bins? Premiere 2014.1 never remembers thumbnails for my video files and constantly has to reload the thumbnails every time I scroll through bins. Shouldn't these thumbnails be cached somewhere?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:41:27 GMT

I'm not editing on an external drive, so a Thunderbolt 2 connection would have no impact. I'm using an internal hardware SATA RAID 0 setup... which should be plenty fast. The problem is that Premiere is trying to do some major file management task AT THE SAME TIME I'M EDITING..... Imagine how your editing experience manipulating Red media would be on ANY computer if the editing program was loading terabytes of media in the background and doing some task with it continuously?.... Or try running an AME render task in the background AND edit a feature film shot in 5k RAW video on almost any computer and you will experience problems. This is the performance hit that I'm seeing in Premiere 8.1.

Premiere 8.1 has lost it's mind and is doing some major process on my project media.... perhaps over and over again.... I've certainly seen both Premiere and Prelude lose it's mind and generate audio peak files OVER and OVER again, so this wouldn't be surprising.

Unfortunately, this is costing me a lot of time and truly reducing my Premiere editing experience.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:27:21 GMT

I appreciate the suggestions everyone, but I strongly doubt my system, is the culprit here.

But just to be 100% sure that program hard drive space is not the problem, I removed some content off of my SSD drive. Now there is 80gb free on my 240gb drive. That is 33% available space.

Went back into Premiere, and within 2 minutes Premiere started it's 35 mb/s+ file transfer and my UI chugs horribly.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:57:38 GMT

Just to chime in -- I've been told many times never to occupy more than 80% of any drive, else problems arise. This is even true of massive RAID5 storage, etc. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Mac OS uses a chunk of drive as virtual memory as well -- something we used to be able to control but is now baked in. Am I wrong on that? Maybe? If so, that 10% remaining on your SSD might be fluctuating more than you know.

Let me emphasize: I'm no technical expert. Just a thought -- perhaps moving to a Thunderbolt2 drive would help you VanLaz, if you have one? If you can't do that for whatever reason, I'm not looking for a reply. Just suggesting things.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:49:25 GMT

I turned that off (Auto Refresh Growing Files) and it made no difference.

My OS drive is a 240gb SSD drive with 25gb left, but any OS issue can't be the cause because the task that is initiating this massive and near continuous file transfer is Premiere! Premiere reports that it has 10.9gb of RAM to itself. Is this not enough? Is it swapping RAM continuously to my hard drive. Others have reported weird memory usage with Premiere 8.1.

This project worked fine on Premiere 8.0.1. It now it does not... the only thing changed was Premiere... 'upgraded' to Premiere 8.1. Logic would indicate that this is not a system problem, but a Premiere problem. The task manager is reporting a near continuous massive file transfer taking place whenever my UI chugs. When the transfer is gone, the UI is fine... normal... like it was in version 8.0.1.

I'm 100% certain that Premiere feels it needs to do some kind of processing to/for my media, and while it's doing this, UI performance takes a massive hit.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:33:46 GMT

Do you by chance have the "Automatically Refresh Growing Files" checkbox checked in the Preferences > Media dialog?

Unless you have a specific need for them, I suggest leaving all five of those bottom preferences unchecked.

Another thought: By chance is your boot disk almost full? If so, you may be getting continuous VM swaps on a fragmented disk; and that would certainly tend to bog a system down, and account for heavy disk activity. I suggest you leave 100 GB free on your boot disk, especially if it's a spinning disk (non-SSD).

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:22:34 GMT

Just confirmed this again. Premiere is doing some massive file transfer read/write in the background every time my UI becomes super slow! This is definitely the problem. I can't tell what Premiere is doing in the background though. As soon as the Task Manager reports that this transfer is over, the UI returns to normal.

What also sucks about this is that my project hard drives seem very hot. If Premiere is constantly doing something with the 8tb of Red media my project has, then I can see why.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:56:06 GMT

Hi Kevin,

Ok, I've filed a bug report with the info that I have.

I disabled all the things you've mentioned and will see if this sluggishness goes away.

I'm on a PC, so I don't think those MAC folder permissions are relevant to my setup.

Do all the people reporting this problem use multiple displays or multiple GPUs? I have a 3 display setup with 2 GPUs.

Michael

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:25:21 GMT

Hi Vanlazarus2013,

For that, I'd file a bug report.

I did find out some interesting issues that may be affecting performance, please check out the following.

Turn off Show Duplicate Frame Markers in the Settings menu (wrench menu)
Disable "Show FX Badges” in the Settings menu (wrench menu)
Disable "Display out of sync indicators for unlinked clips" in General Preferences

Also note an additional folder that you must check the permissions for has been added to my blog post: Library > Application Support > Adobe: Premiere Pro CC, CC 2014, or 2014.1 freezing on startup or crashing while working (Mac OS X 10.9, and later)

Please check that, as well.

Thanks,
Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:36:52 GMT

I have a little info that may help narrow down this sluggishness. I recently had another spat of extreme UI slowness, and noticed that my project hard drives were chugging. Opened the Windows task manager and noticed that Premiere was incurring a 36mb/s data transfer hit on my project hard drive for over a few minutes, even when I was doing nothing. The new version of Premiere seems to be doing some background task that lobotomizes the UI refresh rate. I don't know what it's doing and it just stopped. Does anyone have any ideas what Premiere is doing in the background?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 02:38:49 GMT

Hi Kevin,

I have tried all the suggestions on this list and I am yet to find a solution. The main area that I am noticing the lag is in RGB Curves. Premiere Pro CC v7.2.2 is buttery smooth, but Premiere Pro CC (2014) v8.1 takes a couple seconds with every click and occasionally causes everything to freeze up so I have to restart my system. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the new version not talking to my Quadro 4000 graphics card… I have updated the CUDA driver to the newest version, but still no luck.

Please take a moment to view this comparison:

Best,

Dustin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:10:50 GMT

Howdy Kevin. Thanks as always for your responses. I know you mean well.

I've just spent 12+ hours finsihing a job that should've taken me far less time. As I mentioned earlier, my new Mac Pro is in the shop getting more parts replaced for my phantom render lines issue you're very familiar with. This Premiere 8.1 issue, however, has taken me to a whole new level of frustration with Adobe.

After upgrading to 8.1 earlier this week on my new Mac Pro, I started suffering lags, lock ups, and more crashes than ever... even for Premiere, which has been crashing on me every couple of hours since version 5.5.

With my Mac Pro in the shop, I've had to work on my laptop. Like my tower, it's "top of the line". Recently purchased. The newest macbook pro Apple makes because I often do mobile edits for clients. Thank God I didn't have a mobile edit this week. It would've been embarrassing....

Because my project was created in 8.1, and I could not open it in 8 after rolling back (that stings), I had to continue on with what I had. Here is a nutshell bug report from just ONE DAY on 8.1, on a totally different machine than before mind you. And the project is mostly DSLR and Gopro. Not exactly the most demanding material...

ISSUES

- sluggish performance, including program locking up.

- Loss of ability to play back simple photo animations. So I restart the app, which causes it to crash every single time and recover the "copy of" version.

- crashes ALL THE TIME. can rarely quit without premiere making it into a crash. At one point I had a "copy of copy of copy of copy of" my project.

- when a project is restored after a crash, all but one of the sequences is closed when the project comes back up. This was annoying at times.

- cannot import other projects, or even selected sequences, using dynamic link server. Kiiiiind of a major thing...

- warp stabilizer ceased to render properly after a while, leaving me with fragmented versions of the clip onscreen every time, no matter what the method (native nesting, etc).

- random green frames when playing back or rendering certain clips.

- while color correcting over the past couple of hours, I nearly punched my screen in over the super tiny slider handles in fast color corrector, which I had to carefully click twice just to grab onto every time. MADDENING and time consuming. Why in God's green goodness did you guys do this? It's one of the most blatantly foolish design changes I've ever encountered.

FIXES (?)

I've been using your list of "dos" every few hours to buy myself more temporary functionality, but in the end the app became so unstable I decided to switch off open CL and everything started working over the past couple of hours, albeit slowly (I'm typing all this as I render 17 minutes of color correction filters).

IN SUMMARY

8.1 is hands down the worst piece of software I've ever been forced to work on. And I'm paying Adobe monthly for this service (?)

Tomorrow I'm rolling back to version 8 and not touching any more versions with a 10 foot pole until I know for sure they're solid.

Apple handed Adobe an entire legion of dissatisfied editors after the release of FCPX, and ever since then Premiere has been my best friend and worst enemy. The regular crashing issue alone boggles my mind. This issue is never addressed, never fixed, and Premier's most consistent bug. Thank God you guys don't make cars or we'd all be dead!

My patience with Adobe is razor-thin at this point, and if another NLE came up that started being embraced by my colleagues, I'd be overjoyed to jump off the occasional Titanic that is Adobe Premiere Pro.

I'm hoping you guys make me eat my words by finally getting your Mac act together. Until then I'm feeling like Adobe's battered wife, having no where else to go...

thanks for listening. I hope Adobe really hears me (and other) on this fiasco.

jesse

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forums_noreply@adobe.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:29:13 GMT

Hi Kevin,

I updated an existing feature film project. This UI sluggishness comes and goes. I don't see a pattern yet.... and I don't have time to troubleshoot. If the problem returns and stays, I'll be forced to troubleshoot and try your suggestions. Until then I'm hoping Adobe QA can troubleshoot this problem, find it, and fix it. As I'm sure you're aware, most customers of the Adobe Creative Cloud want to use the software, not debug it, or spend time like I'm doing right now posting on Adobe forums.... although this can be a way to procrastinate tedious tasks in editing.

It really surprises me that your Premiere version development overlaps. I don't even see how this could work unless the versions updated completely different sections of the code base.... And even then, you'd have to merge features from one version into the next, just before release, so that each version had all the features of the previous. Overlapping version development doesn't seem a like a process that contributes to simplicity. I can see that there might be a development speed increase but at what cost?

I worked in the video game field for 10 years. First as a programmer, then a designer, and then as a producer. We never had 'versions' because once you released a game for a console, that was it... no chance to patch your errors (at least back in the day when I was in the field). So the code had to be bullet-proof before it was released. Software updates in the computer world are the bane of stable software.

Regarding my Prelude issues: I have also posted to the Prelude forums and got no help. Rather than spend more time posting, I bit the bullet and imported all the film media into Premiere directly, which sucked because Premiere doesn't import nested media very well at all... and rather than spend time reporting that bug, I just spent 5 or 6 hours organizing the media by hand.... which probably still saved me time compared to debugging the software for Adobe.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:13:28 GMT

Hi Michael,

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your response and detail in answering my questions. Yes, my tone was accusatory because within 20 minutes of using the new version I encountered the problems described by the poster of this thread.... and work was lost, and time wasted looking for solutions.

Sorry about that. Did you update an existing project? Or was this a brand new project?

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

I don't understand how a build can be tested for months with the release schedule of the last 2 builds. A build (8.0.1) was released in late July, then the latest (8.1) in early October. That's 2.5 months between releases.

Work on releases overlap greatly. Planning for releases happens even earlier. Actual work on this release began long ago.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

1) Was all the coding on the latest build done in 2 weeks, and then tested for 2 months? I highly doubt this.

Again, we do not wait for software to be released to begin building our next version. Hope that makes sense.

Lots of things happen behind the scenes at a software manufacturer that a typical video editor might not know about. It was very interesting for me to come into the software business from the stance of a video editor, actually.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

2) If new feature coding is happening concurrently with testing, how can quality be assured?

Refer to my first answer. Coding began long ago. We tested it thoroughly. Then we gave it to prerelease users and get their feedback. Then we refine, refine, refine, until we have a candidate for ship. Quality is tested the whole way.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

Coding during testing should only be done to fix problems found... and if significant code needs to be changed to fix a bug, the test schedule needs to be reset to the beginning.

You'd have to talk to our engineering manager to get the specifics, but believe me, they know what they are doing regarding testing for quality. Were you in the QA field before or something?

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

3) How could Gone Girl have been edited on Premiere 8.1? The movie was released on October 3rd. With color grading, sound design, and music likely being the later stages, this film was probably edited somewhere between January and June of this year. Adobe hadn't even released Premiere 8.0.1 by the end of June. Gone Girl was probably edited mostly on a version of Premiere that was released late last year.... unless Adobe was giving Fincher direct access to beta versions... which would be risky for his team of editors.... and wouldn't those beta versions be for pre-8.1 versions anyways?

Read this: http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2014/10/gone-girl-marks-yet-another-milestone-for-adobe -premiere-pro-cc.html

Fincher worked with 6K RED Dragon, which is a feature of 8.1. This tells you that, yes, he and his editorial staff was working with a prerelease version of the software.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

Yes, I filed a bug report for my Prelude issues.... but I'm not sure where the report went and haven't gotten any feedback... which kinda discourages one from again spending time filing a thorough report on any other problems. Please let me know where I can review bugs I've posted and their status.

We don't always contact customers for feedback. There is no place to review bugs you've posted or their status. Sorry, I know that can be somewhat unsettling. Feel free to also make a post in the Prelude forum. That may help.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

And back to the topic of this thread:

Thank you.

vanlazarus2013 wrote:

And back to the topic of this thread: Surprisingly, this UI slugginess in Premiere 8.1 seems intermittent and is not consistent for me.... so my frustration level with the new build is reduced. I haven't noticed any pattern as to what causes this UI slowdown though.

Have you tried all the suggestions I made earlier on this thread? Try those.

Thanks,

Kevin

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:07:40 GMT

Dynamic Link? Dunno. I don't use it much. I usually render out of Ae and import files into Pr. I'm also sticking to the 13.0 version of Ae until they change those dumb dark keyframes. This latest update to the interface isn't Adobe's best work. I don't recall anybody asking for a GUI that gave us eyestrain.

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:06:24 GMT

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your response and detail in answering my questions. Yes, my tone was accusatory because within 20 minutes of using the new version I encountered the problems described by the poster of this thread.... and work was lost, and time wasted looking for solutions.

Your comments beg more questions. They will be my last regarding QA in this thread.

I don't understand how a build can be tested for months with the release schedule of the last 2 builds. A build (8.0.1) was released in late July, then the latest (8.1) in early October. That's 2.5 months between releases.

1) Was all the coding on the latest build done in 2 weeks, and then tested for 2 months? I highly doubt this.

2) If new feature coding is happening concurrently with testing, how can quality be assured? All tests need to be done AFTER all new features are added. Coding during testing should only be done to fix problems found... and if significant code needs to be changed to fix a bug, the test schedule needs to be reset to the beginning.

3) How could Gone Girl have been edited on Premiere 8.1? The movie was released on October 3rd. With color grading, sound design, and music likely being the later stages, this film was probably edited somewhere between January and June of this year. Adobe hadn't even released Premiere 8.0.1 by the end of June. Gone Girl was probably edited mostly on a version of Premiere that was released late last year.... unless Adobe was giving Fincher direct access to beta versions... which would be risky for his team of editors.... and wouldn't those beta versions be for pre-8.1 versions anyways?

Yes, I filed a bug report for my Prelude issues.... but I'm not sure where the report went and haven't gotten any feedback... which kinda discourages one from again spending time filing a thorough report on any other problems. Please let me know where I can review bugs I've posted and their status.

And back to the topic of this thread: Surprisingly, this UI slugginess in Premiere 8.1 seems intermittent and is not consistent for me.... so my frustration level with the new build is reduced. I haven't noticed any pattern as to what causes this UI slowdown though.

Regards,

Michael

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forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:02:45 GMT

How does that work with 'Direct Link' to and from AFX?

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:54:04 GMT

Like most experienced computer users, I clone my drive before upgrading anything. After cloning, I updated Pr, renamed it to Adobe Premiere Pro CC 810, then I dragged the 8.0 application from my clone disk into my Pr application folder, and renamed it Adobe Premiere Pro CC 800.

Caveat here is that this practice is likely unsupported by Adobe, and that if you expect the CC app to work with Pr afterwards, you should revert the name of the current version to Adobe Premiere Pro CC 2014, or it won't be recognized by the installer.

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forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:47:12 GMT

How did you install 8.1 and keep 8.0.1

Re: PPro 8.1 Update causes EXTREME UI sluggishness. Don't do it.

forums_noreply@adobe.com — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:34:07 GMT

I've been cautiously dipping my toes into the 8.1 release. I have some very complicated projects that have been ongoing for months, and for that, I'm sticking to 8.0 (I have both installed, and they seem to be co-existing just fine.). But, I've now started and finished two projects in 8.1, and have found it to be stable. The only quirk I've seen is that some stills come in rotated at 90 degrees.

I have experienced what I've come to the forum here and described as "show stopping" or "job-killing bugs" only to find out that there was something corrupted in my OS or drivers. One issue was so bad that only an OS re-install cured it. So, I can attest to the notion that if you haven't tried EVERY SINGLE suggestion in Kevin's list above (including re-installing your OS), you haven't tried everything.

Even if you have the most updated drivers, they can get corrupted. I've had several issues that reinstalling the same version of driver (including CUDA) has fixed.

And I can affirm that corrupt media can wreak havoc with any NLE, and Pr is no exception. Sometimes, the seek and destroy method of taking media clips or files off-line in groups can help find bad media.

Fingers crossed that this post doesn't jinx me.