New Workstation for blazing fast performance

[manish_choudhary]

Which one is best for

4K Music video editing in premiere pro

rotoscoping and composting in after effects

motion graphic design in cinema 4d

1. Hp's Z6

Processor :-

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6136 Processor (3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666MHz, 12 core)

Or

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (2.3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666 MHz, 18 core)

Operating System :-

Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

Chasis

Z6 G4 90 1000 W Chassis

Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

Memory :-

64GB (2x32GB) or (4x16GB) DDR4-2666 ECC Registered Memory (1 Processor)

Internal OS load storage options :-

Operating System Load to M.2

512 GB HP Z Turbo Drive Self-Encrypted (SED) M.2 SSD

Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller

Hard Drive :-

4 TB 7200 RPM SATA Enterprise 3.5" HDD x 4 = 16 TB

RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 5

Additional networking options :-

Intel® X550-T2 10GbE Dual Port NIC

Front I/O ports :-

Premium - 2x USB 3.1 Type-C; 2x USB 3.0 Type-A

Accessories :-

HP Z6 G4 Memory Cooling Solution

Z4/Z6 G4 Side Panel Barrel Keylock

Thunderboalt 3 :-

Thunderboalt 3 Pcie card

Cost Arround $8000 USD

2. Dell's 7820 Precision Tower

Processor :-

Intel Xeon Gold 6140 2.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo 18C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI, 25M Cache, HT (140W) DDR4-2666

Or

Intel Xeon Gold 6136 3.0GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 12C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI,24.75M Cache, HT (150W) DDR4-2666

Operating System :-

Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

Chassis :-

Precision 7820 Tower 950W Chassis

Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

Memory :-

64GB (4x16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC

Boot Drive Option

Internal NVMe PCIe SSD (Dell Ultra-Speed Drive)

Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad PCIe SSD x16 card, 1 M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 50 Solid State Drive

Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller (4GB cache)

Hard Drive :-

3.5" 4TB 7200rpm Nearline SAS Hard Drive x 2 = 8 TB

RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 5

PCIe I/O Cards (ThunderBoalt 3)

USB 3.1 G2 PCIe Card - 2 Type C Ports. 1DP in

Network Cards

Intel® X550-T2 10GbE NIC, Dual Port, Copper

Cost Arround $8500 USD

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[KanikaS]

Moving to Premiere Pro CC​

[Ann Bens]

Moved to Hardware Forum.

[Bill_Gehrke]

Do not go with off the shelf big name configurations, go to custom video editing builders like Puget. Safe Harbor or ADK they will ask you many questions about your media and workflow and deliver a real optimized video editing system that will do much better than any off the shelf.

1. Xeon's are a architecture of the past.
2. Unless you have a very expensive 10-bit monitor a Quadro card is overkill.
3. Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive.  Use only for Projects and Media.  Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.
6. Get professional help

[Ann Bens]

I like nr 6

[manish_choudhary]

My preferred work is this.

In Premiere Pro - 4K Music editing with 8-10 4K Layers.

In After Effects - Dynamic link work with premiere pro and do rotoscoping for 4K video and some compositing and lots of custom transitions and 2d Animations

In Cinema 4D - 3d Motion Graphics.

and behalf of this work i need workstation.

[jasonvp]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/manish+choudhary  wrote

and behalf of this work i need workstation.

You do not.  Not even remotely.  Any of today's high performance consumer-level Intel processors will run circles around the Xeons you quote out.  The benefit of a Xeon processor is the ability to put multiples of them on a motherboard (which you're not doing) and running ECC RAM (which you don't need).  This at the cost of overall processing speed, and the cost of emptying your wallet rapidly.

You asked for opinions.  Bill gave you good guidance to start with.  Pay heed to it and call the companies he suggested.  Or over-spend on an HP workstation and waste your money.  Your choice.  🙂

[manish_choudhary]

if i make 1 system with i9 18 core cpu its cost me around something dell and hp cost thats the reason i prefer xeon and xeon is much more reliable then i9 (i think)

[manish_choudhary]

so i what i do now should i make a high core count i9 extreme edition either then xeon gold processors ?

[manish_choudhary]

one more thing is more l3 memory count do more work then more cores and clock speed..?

[manish_choudhary]

What about this...

Processor :-

Intel Xeon Processor W-2155

1. 13.75M Cache, 3.30 GHz

Operating System :-

Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

Chassis :-

Precision 5820 Tower 950W Chassis

Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

Memory :-

64GB (4x16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC

Boot Drive Option

Internal NVMe PCIe SSD (Dell Ultra-Speed Drive)

Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad PCIe SSD x16 card, 1 M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 50 Solid State Drive

Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-16i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller (4GB cache)

Hard Drive :-

1. 3.5" 4TB 7200rpm Nearline SAS Hard Drive x 4 =16 TB

RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 5 or RAID 10

PCIe I/O Cards

USB 3.1 G2 PCIe Card - 2 Type C Ports. 1DP in

[Bill_Gehrke]

I guess you did not read my earlier comments

1. Xeon's are a architecture of the past.
2. Unless you have a very expensive 10-bit monitor a Quadro card is overkill.
3. Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive.  Use only for Projects and Media.  Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.
6. Get professional help

  If you are not interested in help what are we to do for you?

[manish_choudhary]

i want to know one thing that if new xeon W series 2195 and Core series i9 7980xe with same core and L3 cache and same Ghz speed but Core series has intel turbo boost 3.0 Xeon dosen't and and also memory bandwidth in W series Lower then core processors and prices are same both of processors.

[manish_choudhary]

and also where from i get professional help if not here in adobe forum ?

[Ann Bens]

You need to listen to Bill: he knows what he is talking about.

[manish_choudhary]

Okay then.

I Need Professional 4k editing beast Budget is OPEN.

Please Guide me with which processor and which specs. i have to use i need this workstation for professional work not for gaming and i want this workstation to be alive for next 3-4 years with full speed work.

Bill Please tell Me which Specs to use make a workstation for me i don't want to listen "ANY CORE PROCESSOR WILL DO DO WORK"

I Need Perfect Specs like HP and DELL Gives.

Thanx.

[RjL190365]

Here's the deal:

If you're intent on paying hundreds of trillions of dollars for a system that's hundreds of trillions of times slower than a snail (figuratively), and you will be flat-out rejecting any alternatives that we suggest, then we cannot make any recommendations at all whatsoever to you. It's your money, after all. Just don't place the blame on us for finding out that the expensive workstation that you just bought completely chokes on even 720p video content.

By the way, the turnkey vendors that we recommend know far more than either Dell or HP about video editing. In fact, none of the workstations that you're considering are intended for editing video at all - but instead are more for stationary CAD and 3D graphics designers.

This will be the last post that I will be making in this discussion, barring any change of heart or plans.

Randall

[Bill_Gehrke]

In post number 3  I listed three professional video editing custom builders that have good reputations from forum users.  Where are you located?

I do not like the HP's and Dell's of this world for video editing applications as they come loaded with lots of garbage that has to be cleaned off the computer before it will work at it's best for you.  Also they never seem to have the right options, and very typically have unnecessarily only offer Quadro GPU's which are very expensive versus the GeForce GTX cards.

I am only a Premiere Pro specialist and so I cannot say one of my configurations would necessarily work well for your other applications.  Some applications or the features in them are well multithreaded so cores are important, while other applications or the specific features you use are not multithreaded so high CPU core speed is necessary.  Other applications/media are aided by lots of RAM

Thank you Randal I give up also

[h.sevush]

Bill -

I understand and agree completely with 1-3 but would like some clarification on these 2 statements

4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams

5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.

I've been using Raid 5 storage for the past 15 years and while I realize I am giving up some speed it is in exchange for greater reliability. As for Raid being a thing of the past, how else do you achieve the bandwidth to handle 5 camera multicam with mixed HD and 4K while needing to access about 14 TB of storage? is there a different storage medium that I am unaware of?

[RjL190365]

Here's the deal with RAID 5:

1) You do give up the capacity of one entire disk in order to gain reliability.

2) All on-motherboard RAID 5 implementations are mostly software-based. This means that the CPU is utilized that could have been better utilized for programs. Plus, software RAID 5 has far greater latency than a dedicated hardware RAID.

3) A proper RAID 5 hardware controller is very expensive to purchase. Sure, cheaper hardware RAID controllers exist, but they use old and/or outdated processors.

As Bill stated, RAID 5 is effectively obsolesced by m.2 PCIe SSDs, a single one of which can far surpass that of the fastest RAID array in sequential throughput. You see, RAID was designed for the mechanically spinning hard disk drive, and has matured long before SSDs became popular.

Unfortunately, 14GiB worth of m.2 PCie SSDs can currently cost significantly more money than even the most expensive hardware RAID controller plus 20TB worth of hard disk drives. That is exactly what holds m.2 PCIe SSDs back from being widely popular with extremely large workflows.

Lastly, most professional video editors do not work with anywhere close to 14TB worth of video content all at once. At most, they actually work with only a few GB at a time.

[h.sevush]

Thanks for the reply. However for an editor working in Broadcast, or on any long form doc, 14 TB is not unusual. Especially if your dealing with 4k, Raw and or multicam. Advising people to skip Raids and avoid Raid 5 as a general rule is problematic when the only alternative would cost 5 times as much (just a guess - it might be 10 times as much.) I only use hardware Raid controllers, but even figuring in that extra cost it would be prohibitive to switch over to m2 SSDs. The day will come when Raids of spinning drives will be obsoleted, but for anyone dealing in large volumes of source material that day has still not come.

[manish_choudhary]

MegaRAID 9460-8i

What about this Raid controller.?

so which raid is best for get more speed RAID 5 or RAID 0 ?

[h.sevush]

Raid 0 is best for speed, Raid 5 dedicates a drive to redundancy so that if any one drive in the Raid fails then no data is lost. Almost all Raids can be set to either Raid 0,1,5,6,10 - you can read about the differences here https://10gbps.io/blog/advantages-disadvantages-various-raid-levels/

As to your controller - it is best to seek a Raid enclosure with it's own controller card. The card you were looking at is for massive server installations. Raid enclosures with controller card are very common - Promise Pegasus, LaCie, G-Technology, Sonnet Fusion, CalDigit

[manish_choudhary]

which card i mentioned its came with dell's precision tower 5820 thats why i asking question is it good to go with this controller ?

[Bill_Gehrke]

This does not answer your question but I will tell you my pride and joy at an earlier time (about 3-years ago).  I bought an Areca ARC-1883ix  RAID controller and with a Supermicro  Mobile Rack M28SACB-OEM and installed 7 each Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB SSD's in a RAID 3 configuration  and got these great results:

If you look at my PPBM Storage for this neat device it is the fastest storage system ever tested with my PPBM testingAll you have to do is change out the 256 GB SSD's for 2 TB SSD's and you will have 11+ TB of extremely fast high reliability storage in a very compact, very low power consumption, and low noise package aside of those lousy hard disk drives