38 Replies Latest reply on Nov 29, 2018 8:38 PM by zwetan_uk

    2018 Roadmap?

    dogofpavlov Level 1

      So last year around this time, there was a post asking for an update or a roadmap from Adobe about AIR. https://forums.adobe.com/message/9389104#9389104 Chris Campbell commented saying "We're working on our 2017 and beyond roadmap" and "I'll post back to the thread with our thoughts". Seeing as its now 2018, can we finally get that roadmap, or the thoughts?

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          Colin Holgate MVP & Adobe Community Professional

          Awesome post. I emailed Chris to pester him.

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            rewb0rn Level 3

            Yes, please.

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              dogofpavlov Level 1

              Hi Colin. Any chance you can email Chris again? As of this morning I noticed Flash Builder 4.7 and Scout are no longer available to be downloaded from the Creative Cloud nor are they anywhere online to download. I can understand FB4.7, but Scout is a big tell for me.   This is honestly freaking me out right now. Is Adobe about to announce EOL for AIR or something?

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                Colin Holgate MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                I could wait for the 1st anniversary of his post!

                 

                I haven't heard anything about AIR's future, but I'm on the Animate prerelease, and I know it has ongoing commitment. Hopefully AIR is the same.

                 

                Preran could you see if you have a way to find out if there will ever be another roadmap for AIR?

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                  Colin Holgate MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                  For anyone not reading both topics, Flash Builder and Scout are still options in the Creative Cloud apps list, even if the online links are hard to find.

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                    Preran Adobe Employee

                    Hi Colin,

                     

                    I am checking with the team. Will get back as soon as I have a response.

                     

                    Thanks,

                    Preran

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                      RandomReado Level 1

                      Both the apps are still there, you just need to enable the option "show older apps" within Preferences > Creative Cloud > Apps > Settings.

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                        dogofpavlov Level 1

                        Ok so I finally found the place online to download Flash Builder 4.7 and Scout. Download Creative Cloud apps

                         

                        Yes I think the issue is that the download links are not in the places most people would expect to find it.... and even after various google searches, its still very hard to find. I bet a lot of people will (like me), notice they have randomly disappeared from the Creative Cloud app and start assuming the worse, and have no idea Adobe secretly hide them away on 1 random download page. I've had Flash Builder installed for a few years and I 100% can remember multiple times download it from the Creative Cloud app.

                         

                        Here is what someone may go through right now:

                         

                        Realize Adobe randomly removed FB & Scout from the Creative Cloud App, go online to the Adobe Product Search where it clearly says "ALL PRODUCTS", "Search all products": Adobe products: desktop, web, and mobile applications | Adobe  type in "Flash Builder"  notice no results return

                         

                        Notice the main product page for Adobe Flash Builder 4.7 for both the Standard and Premium has no download link anywhere... Adobe Flash Builder 4.7 Standard    Develop games and applications | Adobe Flash Builder 4.7 Premium   ... start a slight panic

                         

                        Do a google search for "download Adobe Flash Builder 4.7" and be given a link to download the "Trail" of Flash Builder 4.7 here: downloads  ... panic a lil more.

                         

                        Keep scrolling down the google search results and find another link which goes to the place I linked at the top of this post.... Panic subsides.

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                          dogofpavlov Level 1

                          Wow thanks for pointing this out... It at least makes me feel better they are still listed here.

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                            Preran Adobe Employee

                            I checked with the team, and they have no recent announcement that has been updated, or have to make.

                             

                            Thanks,

                            Preran

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                              dogofpavlov Level 1

                              So the official word from Adobe is there is no announcement about the Road Map? Not sure what to make of that

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                                Preran Adobe Employee

                                What it usually means is that the team is sticking to their previous roadmap. I am not sure if there is anything else other than that.

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                                  dogofpavlov Level 1

                                  I'm sorry maybe I'm confused. The link I posted when I created this thread shows Chris Campbell saying "We're working on our 2017 and beyond roadmap".... I interpreted that as literally "we are working on it".... aka "its coming soon".

                                   

                                  SO... I'm at a loss for words when you say they are "sticking to the previous roadmap"... are you refering the ONLY roadmap? this one: roadmap   the one that was published 3 years ago with a last update about AIR 20? we are now on AIR 29....

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                                    el111 Level 3

                                    dogofpavlov

                                    Perhaps they mean this one that was posted like 6 months ago.

                                     

                                    https://forum.starling-framework.org/topic/air-roadmap-update

                                     

                                    Many of the things on the list have been in recent versions of AIR and there looks to be some still left to come.

                                    I don't get the need for constant reassurance.

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                                      dogofpavlov Level 1

                                      You don't get the need for people to want some assurance in AIR? Hell, more times than not when I  see any cross-platform discussion on any news blog, they don't even MENTION AIR, regardless of how great I personally know it to be.  You know 100% what i'm talking if I were to say "the world hates flash"... there is a stigma against it, no matter how great I think it is, people are looking for it to die. My need for reassurance stems Adobes own admitted failure in marketing their products. Did you notice Flash Builder 4.7 and Scout are now listed  under "older apps" in the creative cloud app and are hidden by default?

                                       

                                      There are TONS of people like me who would really really REALLY appreciate some sort of official update ( I guess you could call a post from Chris Campbel in the Starling Forum official), but even he mentioned they "hope to have our official Flash Runtime roadmap updated soon".... and as you noted that was 6 months ago.

                                       

                                      I really do appreciate all the work Adobe has done with their AIR updates, I use them all the time. I guess I just want them to follow up on what they said they would do. Right now if someone is looking for the "AIR roadmap"... unless they can find that burried starling post they are going to wind up here: roadmap

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                                        dogofpavlov Level 1

                                        I happened to also find a post here as well from Chris 6 months ago: Locked by Moderator, Not on subject anymore,AIR Roadmap Update  but he again mentioned they are working on the official one.

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                                          ASWC Level 2

                                          FYI, Adobe staff silence or lack of straight answers and other users that don't get "the need for reassurance" sounds extremely familiar and is exactly what we could hear after the death of ASNext years ago when people like me were saying "Adobe just killed flash". For some reasons if it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it looks like a duck, we can still find people that still don't think it is a duck .... Literally ALL THE SIGNS are here, AIR expiration date has already been set by Adobe, there will be no miracles.

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                                            Leo Kanel Level 1

                                            Preran's answer is more confirmation that nothing good is coming :/ As a company we love and use AIR all the time but we are already working on a backup plan. All my team is going through training for unity and native development for the rainy days to come.

                                             

                                            So sad that once again roadmap looks like it is dropped..

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                                              ASWC Level 2

                                              That's just common sense, good for you.

                                               

                                              AIR jobs are parse/almost non existent, AIR is not mentioned anymore in any cross platform article, Adobe itself is shady and has no straight answers about any AIR related subject, AIR activity on stackoverflow is near non existent, the roadmap is really easy to write: maintenance until death. While indy developers can afford to hope and stick to AIR until Adobe shuts it down, companies can't and have to move on before they are forced to. The number of people using AIR is now low and will only keep on shrinking which is what Adobe has worked actively on achieving just like they did for Flash.

                                               

                                              If you can't see or ignore all the signs and can't remember the past with Adobe and their handling of Flash, then I can see why you would think AIR's future is a bright one. Other than that, the end of AIR is near and will come sooner than most of us think.

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                                                dogofpavlov Level 1

                                                I just think its so sad Adobe doesn't do more to market AIR. I find that pretty much everyone who use and love AIR, KNOWS it's benefits and can produce quality content with it, but the people who DONT **** on it and Adobe just lets it happen. They needed to find a way to make money from AIR but now I think it's too late. I've seen countless comments about how amazed they were at how rapid it is to build out 99.999% native speed UI with AIR, let alone the  games people have made. AIR rocks, and it's just so sad it's not getting the love it deserved all cause of the Flash name.

                                                 

                                                I've already begun my transition as well, I've built a few apps in Cordova/Ionic and React Native.The venture in the JS framework world is chaos as a new framework comes out every few months that replaces the current standards. I find so many times some convoluted/terminology or way of doing something in JS thats packaged with some fancy name at the end of the day ends up being a standard practice I did all the time with as3. I've done a few Unity tutorials and it seems to be not too bad as well.

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                                                  ASWC Level 2

                                                  AIR is the best and to be honest I still think Flash was the best as well but the best doesn't always win, that's the bottom line. When the company that's doing it is not committed and tons of people are extremely committed to make it die then the result is inevitable. 

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                                                    rewb0rn Level 3

                                                    While I agree that the comment from Preran comes a bit unexpected, I must say the Air 29 update does look quite nicely. The integration of Win32 with Win64 builds show some committment that I would not expect if Air had an expiration date set. Also, not announcing the expiration date together with the announcement for the end of Flash does sound like they do have plans for Air.

                                                     

                                                    Preran can you please confirm that you talked with Chris about the roadmap? Because he promised that a roadmap would come and we all are waiting for it as a symbolic gesture that there is more to come from Air.

                                                     

                                                    Thanks

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                                                      Preran Adobe Employee

                                                      Yes, the information that was shared with me by Chris is exactly what I have passed on. I receive updates to roadmap changes only after they are final, and if I hear of anything, I will make sure to update this post.

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                                                        dogofpavlov Level 1

                                                        Preran  wrote

                                                         

                                                        Yes, the information that was shared with me by Chris is exactly what I have passed on. I receive updates to roadmap changes only after they are final, and if I hear of anything, I will make sure to update this post.

                                                        Can you ask Chris if he plans on coming through with what he said he would do? I hate to keep pestering, but I hope you realize you are the only word we've had from Adobe in months about a roadmap.

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                                                          zwetan_uk Level 3

                                                          el111  wrote

                                                           

                                                          dogofpavlov

                                                          Perhaps they mean this one that was posted like 6 months ago.

                                                           

                                                          https://forum.starling-framework.org/topic/air-roadmap-update

                                                           

                                                          Many of the things on the list have been in recent versions of AIR and there looks to be some still left to come.

                                                          I don't get the need for constant reassurance.

                                                          Same I don't get the pestering and the need for reassurance

                                                           

                                                          the roadmap is clear

                                                           

                                                          https://forum.starling-framework.org/topic/air-roadmap-update

                                                           

                                                          Many of you have asked for a roadmap update. We hope to have our official Flash Runtime roadmap updated soon, but until then I wanted to share some of the features we'd like to accomplish in our upcoming releases. As always, this list may change as we receive feedback from the community.

                                                          Support for 64-bit AIR – Windows Captive Only
                                                          AIR SDK installer on Windows
                                                          Desktop async texture upload
                                                          DirectX11 support for AIR desktop
                                                          Increase the GPU memory texture limit
                                                          Improved monitor and resolution settings for AIR Desktop
                                                          GPU render mode for AIR Desktop
                                                          Support for the latest SDK on iOS 11 and Android O
                                                          ASTC Support for mobile
                                                          VR/AR support for AIR apps
                                                          ANE support for Swift on iOS
                                                          METAL bindings for Stage3D
                                                          Motion detection for Android devices

                                                           

                                                          When I read

                                                          Re: Adobe AIR 2017 Roadmap
                                                          Hi guys,

                                                          We're working on our 2017 and beyond roadmap, using the Starling thread that Daniel created and refreshed this year for inspiration.  I'll post back to the thread with our thoughts, but encourage those that haven't visited to take a look and see if any of the recent suggestions are appealing or provide feedback for items that haven't been posted.

                                                          and then

                                                          What it usually means is that the team is sticking to their previous roadmap. I am not sure if there is anything else other than that.

                                                           

                                                          I understand that the roadmap did not change and that they keep working on it
                                                          eg. the roadmap is considered "2017 and beyond"
                                                          many features have already been implemented in the AIR SDK

                                                          or are in the current AIR SDK BETA, or will come to the next AIR SDK versions

                                                           

                                                          People don't really need a new roadmap every year
                                                          look the AIR SDK is  updated quarterly: March, June, September, December
                                                          and so for many years now Flash Player and Adobe AIR feature list | Adobe Developer Connection

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          No need to raise FUD and other conspiracy theory about an AIR death.

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                                                            Leo Kanel Level 1

                                                            some of the features we'd like to accomplish in our upcoming releases.

                                                            This is not a roadmap. A roadmap contains information about new releases and what work is going to happen for the next year.

                                                             

                                                            Check unity: Unity - Roadmap  or maybe the even smaller team at game maker: https://help.yoyogames.com/hc/en-us/articles/231719448-RoadMap 

                                                             

                                                            It is very clear what they are working on, when it will be released and it is also easy to get an answer from their communication team.

                                                             

                                                            Literally all the technologies I work with, have already posted their roadmap for 2018 when AIRs official roadmap goes up to 2016 lol.

                                                             

                                                            Don't get me wrong, I love AIR and I don't want to see it crash and burn, but I hate how they are treating it and us as devs. Making the whole thing feel like it is coming to an end.

                                                             

                                                            Posting a damn roadmap will not cost a dime, it will make air devs a bit more confident about the sdk and they don't even have to stick to it. No one does. So that says a lot about how much time they want to spend on it.

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                                                              ASWC Level 2

                                                              No conspiracy here, AIR is being handled by Adobe the same way Flash was. I agree there's no need for any roadmap because it has been the same for many years: maintenance.

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                                                                zwetan_uk Level 3

                                                                It's not maintenance when new features are introduced on a quarterly basis

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                                                                  ASWC Level 2

                                                                  I really don't see what new features that would be. Keeping current with new OS/platform requirements/capabilities is maintenance to me, while it can be called "new feature" by others I consider if it keeps the technology from becoming irrelevant it's no more than maintenance.

                                                                  Eg. 64Bits, great, is it new feature or maintenance? Can AIR expect to stay relevant without 64bits? If yes then it is new feature, if no then it is maintenance.

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                                                                    phonefusionryan Level 2

                                                                    I understand and I do appreciate Adobe's work and all the new AIR versions they release. I'm just simply asking for them to do what they said they would do. Literally in the post you quoted from he also says "We hope to have our official Flash Runtime roadmap updated soon".... so wouldn't it nice to see that? no? with the history of the Flash and stigma behind it it's seems pretty reasonable to me for people to be curious to its future besides a forum post.

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                                                                      jarethv47143634 Level 1

                                                                      Given Apple recently announced the deprecation of OpenGL and OpenCL on MacOS (https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/#deprecationofopenglandopencl) and this could be a precursor to similar changes on iOS, it would be nice to get a confirmation and update on the topic of "METAL bindings for Stage3D".

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                                                                        Flipline Level 3

                                                                        They've also announced deprecation of OpenGL ES for iOS 12:

                                                                        https://developer.apple.com/ios/whats-new/#deprecationofopengles

                                                                         

                                                                        Does anyone have information on how "GPU" render mode is handled, and if this will also be affected like Stage3D by these deprecations?  I'm not too familiar with what GPU render mode is doing under the hood.

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                                                                        • 33. Re: 2018 Roadmap?
                                                                          rakeshk53949702

                                                                          Hi,

                                                                           

                                                                          Unlike Adobe Flash player support ends in 2020. Would Adobe end support for Adobe Shockwave Player.

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                                                                            DaveCates Level 1

                                                                            Any update on this? A new roadmap would be ace before we all start having to jump onto naff systems such as React Native...losing 20+ years of ace cross-platform development progress....yuk

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                                                                              rewb0rn Level 3

                                                                              2019 Roadmap please!

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                                                                                ASWC Level 2

                                                                                Surprise me Adobe!!

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                                                                                  Applauz Level 1

                                                                                  Just wanted to share with the community that we have a team that has struggled like you wouldn’t believe to get a React Native app to work and be 1/2 decent. 

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I them showed them AIR and how easy it was to achieve the exact same thing.  Their jaws hit the floor.  They had no clue. 

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Too bad Adobe isn’t investing in showing everyone the power of AIR build mobile apps.

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                                                                                    zwetan_uk Level 3

                                                                                    Applauz  wrote

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Their jaws hit the floor.  They had no clue. 

                                                                                     

                                                                                    most dev don't, that's why Adobe AIR is a huge competitive advantage when you know it exists