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Guest
Jul 11, 2006 Jul 11, 2006

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Hi i have a website with coldfusion includes on the index page, but i am having trouble getting ranked on google

the url is http://www.northsydneycc.com.au

any ideas what i can do?
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LEGEND ,
Jul 11, 2006 Jul 11, 2006

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The includes will have no effect on how a search engine sees the page,
they have no knowledge of what is from a include and what isn't. All
the information is combined and sent to the search engine robot client
as one piece.

Basic search engine optimization applies. Structure your information in
a logical manor and use proper html hierarchy. Make proper use of
titles, headings and paragraphs. Place your content as high as possible
in the page, move JavaScript and CSS to separate files and link them in,
so the head section stays as compact as possible. Add proper and
non-spaming search terms and description meta tags.

If you have the skills move header and navigation towards the end of
your markup and use CSS to visually position this low search engine
value content in it's proper place.

Follow these basics and give yourself some time and you should see some
improvement.


JohnGree wrote:
> Hi i have a website with coldfusion includes on the index page, but i am having trouble getting ranked on google
>
> the url is http://www.northsydneycc.com.au
>
> any ideas what i can do?

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Jul 11, 2006 Jul 11, 2006

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ok many thanks

just one question how do you move JavaScript and CSS to separate files and link them in?

and all content on my home page is dynamic from a database, which i need would the search engine serch dynamic content?

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Jul 14, 2006 Jul 14, 2006

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ok i have now taken out the javascript and css from the page but i still get no ranking

could you please have a look at the site and tell me what i am doing wrong, the content on the page is dynamic from a database dose this make a difference?

http://www.northsydneycc.com.au

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LEGEND ,
Jul 17, 2006 Jul 17, 2006

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First of all Search Engine placement takes patience. It can takes many
months to work up the search engine hierarchy. But I can see some fixes
that may help.

You HTML markup is still fairly poor. You have two HTML blocks, two
head blocks and two body blocks, you should only have one of each. This
is most likely from an included that is providing an entire web
document, when it needs to only provide a fragment to plug into then
overall document.

Also, if you can move your header and navigation to the bottom of the
page, the search engines can get to the heart of your document that much
faster. To see this concept in action you can take a look at this site.

http://www.sierraoutdoorrecreation.com/


JohnGree wrote:
> ok i have now taken out the javascript and css from the page but i still get no
> ranking
>
> could you please have a look at the site and tell me what i am doing wrong,
> the content on the page is dynamic from a database dose this make a difference?
>
> http://www.northsydneycc.com.au
>

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Jul 17, 2006 Jul 17, 2006

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Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
...
You HTML markup is still fairly poor. ...

Also, if you can move your header and navigation to the bottom of the
page, the search engines can get to the heart of your document that much
faster. ....

http://www.sierraoutdoorrecreation.com/



Ian, you do know that none of the main pages on that site validate? ;-)

Anyway, moving navigation to the bottom is often a poor idea.
(1) You want robots to find and follow those links (usually).

(2) Some engines are thought to rank links encountered first as more important.

(3) All search engines stop reading a page after a set amount of characters! So if you have a long page (admittedly not a good idea for most content) and nav at the bottom, then you may be crippling your own rankings.

(4) Voice browsers and alternate devices will read nav in the order encountered. If it's at the bottom of the source, then you have made your page impossibly hard for these users (claimed to be as high as 10%) to use your site. This violates usability laws that are on the books and planned.

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Jul 14, 2006 Jul 14, 2006

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Google page rank doesn't work like that it is built up over time, and you certainly cannot make minor changes and look if this effects your page rank.

Read this article about page rank:-
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-10-2005-71368.asp

Also, have you even submitted your site to google? As none of your pages appear to be indexed!

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Jul 14, 2006 Jul 14, 2006

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Hi yes i have submited my site to google thats why i cant understand why i have no index, i am using cfinclude for my navigation would this make a diffrerence?

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Jul 14, 2006 Jul 14, 2006

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Put your web site in your signature -- on this forum and everywhere you post.
See Stressed Simon's posts for an example.

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Jul 16, 2006 Jul 16, 2006

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Using cfinclude makes absolutely no difference, all that does is reuse a piece of code. The HTML returned to google is the same regardless.

How long ago did you submit your site to google? I have seen it take as long as 17 weeks for a site that I submitted to get spidered. As MikerRoo suggested links on other sites back to your site are very important for getting your page indexed on google.

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