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    Thick letter L in pdf

    UKNewbie Community Member
      Hi Again

      when i export an indesign file to pdf, any letter L's in the text appear to be very thick and stand out like a sore thumb. is there any reason for this and is it possible to ge rid of this problem.

      thanks in advance

      Phil
        • 1. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
          KarenSC Community Member
          From my experience it doesn't appear to print differently to normal. Have you tried printing?
          • 2. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
            Peter Spier ACP/MVPs
            Does it change if you zoom in or out? Many times horizontal or vertical strokes will appear to change weight depending on the zoom factor due to the need to use whole screen pixels. Rounding the ratio of stroke weight to resolution at a particular zoom level can cause things to either appear extra thick or disappear entirely on screen.

            Peter
            • 3. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
              Community Member
              Every font, or just one particular font? Prints that way or just looks
              bad on screen? Capital L or lower case l?

              --
              Kenneth Benson
              Pegasus Type, Inc.
              www.pegtype.com
              • 4. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                UKNewbie Community Member
                Hi Guys

                Thanks for getting back. As i am a newbie i dont fully understand the functionallity of indesign yet. The problem started when i was first using illustrator to make flyers for my company to go on the website. In answer to Kenneths response yes it does print ok and it is the lower case l but it shows up on the website. I think i may have figured it out in indesign though. The problem accured when i copied and paste from illustrator directly into indesign. When i write diretly in indesign the problem does not occur. Any reason why it does it in ai and not idd. very confusing.

                to answer peter it stays proportionate to the rest of the text when zooming in and out therefore thick no matter where the zoom lies.

                thanks for stopping by
                • 5. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                  Community Member
                  I can make this happen only if I make a single letter l, convert it to
                  outlines, and then copy it and paste it into Indesign.

                  Is it possible you're seeing this with fl (ligature) combinations only?

                  I want to know if your thick letter ells in Indesign are text or
                  graphics. What happens if you use Find/Change to search for the letter
                  l? Does it find the thick ones, or does it skip over them?

                  And you didn't answer my question: every font, or just one particular font?

                  --
                  Kenneth Benson
                  Pegasus Type, Inc.
                  www.pegtype.com
                  • 6. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                    peter at knowhowpro Community Member
                    Hi, Phil:

                    Peter Spier's reply (#2) is correct, but he doesn't explicitly note that it's an Acrobat or Reader display issue, not an ID error.

                    In Acrobat Preference > Page Display > Rendering, there are some options that may be helpful in reducing the effect.

                    HTH

                    Regards

                    Peter Gold
                    KnowHow ProServices
                    • 7. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                      Peter Spier ACP/MVPs
                      >Peter Spier's reply (#2) is correct, but he doesn't explicitly note that it's an Acrobat or Reader display issue, not an ID error.

                      I guess I thought that was implicit. Thanks for mentioning it. :)
                      • 8. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                        Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee
                        Every time I've seen this problem, it has been due to someone converting text rendered via fonts to text rendered by "outlines." Solution is simple - don't "outline" text unless there is some type of special effect that you need that can only be achieved in that manner (and there are very few of those).

                        - Dov
                        • 9. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                          BobLevine UGM-MVPs
                          Copy and pasting of formatted text from Illy to ID will result in the
                          text being converted to outlines.

                          Bob
                          • 10. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                            Community Member
                            I work for a scientific organization. We usually receive images from our authors with the fonts in graphics converted to vector. When we import the images into InDesign, then create a pdf for proof, these graphics ALWAYS show thickened els and ones, no matter what the font was originally.
                            If you zoom in about 300%, they will appear correctly, but that's an annoying thing to tell people to do all the time. The pdfs are posted online, and the authors want to see their figures looking correct within the page without this awful distortion.
                            I've called tech support at Adobe, but no one has an answer. If someone has a work-around, I'd be glad to hear it.

                            Carole
                            • 11. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                              Peter Spier ACP/MVPs
                              Is it really restricted to the single glyph, or just more noticeable there? Converting to outlines removes the font "hinting" and invariably makes type look bolder.

                              I suppose these come in as a variety of formats, some of which may not support font embedding. The best answer is, if possible, embed the font and don't convert to outlines. If that's not possible, you should consider opening the figures in Illustrator (presuming these are files that will open there), and resetting the type.

                              Peter
                              • 12. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                Ken Grace Community Member
                                Do all fonts do this? Some fonts are more compatible with rendering in pixels than others, especially at small sizes. I
                                am having a constant battle with an organisation that insists on sending promotional e-mails with 8pt Helvetica which
                                always looks terrible because the characters adust left or right of their optimum position and so text has clumps of
                                characters rather then smooth spacing. Switching to a font designed for viewing on a screen, like Trebuchet or Verdana
                                may help. Even the switch from Helvetica to Arial is a noticeable improvement.

                                k
                                • 13. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                  Community Member
                                  That's interesting. I can try a few tests and let you know. Thanks for the suggestion. Helvetica is our most frequently used font for figures. We may have to re-think that if what you're saying is true.

                                  Carole
                                  • 14. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                    Ken Grace Community Member
                                    That's my personal view. The best thing you can do is to try it and see if it makes a difference for you. I'd be
                                    interested to know.

                                    I have come to accept thickened vertical strokes in PDFs as inevitable at low magnification, particularly with sans
                                    fonts. If you think about how few pixels you have available to render the shape of a character, even with hinting and
                                    anti-aliasing, it becomes clear that something's got to give. So fonts that have been designed expressly for viewing on
                                    computer monitors seem likely to have some advantage.

                                    k
                                    • 15. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                      Thomas Phinney Community Member
                                      This problem occurs only when ALL of the following things are true:

                                      - the font was converted to outlines

                                      - the glyphs in question were drawn simple rectangles with no additional points. In a sans serif font often the lowercase el and sometimes the numeral one can be drawn this way.

                                      Seeing a problem may also require that in Acrobat's Preferences > Page Display > Rendering, "enhance thin lines" is on. But I'm not certain of that one.

                                      The font being "designed for viewing on screen" or the like will NOT help, except insofar as that design involves more complex shapes for the el and one.

                                      Regards,

                                      T
                                      • 16. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                        etherling Community Member
                                        Hi all.

                                        I stumbled upon this problem at work about 5 months ago as well. After days of troubleshooting & searching on the internet, I found the cause & a fix to the problem on this page:
                                        http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/004301.html

                                        This is a rendering bug with Adobe Acrobat/Reader. It only display it as a thicker stroke but it prints fine. If you open the same file on a Mac via the "Preview" application, the problem goes away.

                                        By turning OFF "Enhance thin lines" in Adobe Reader's preference, you can eliminate the display problem. But since the files I was working on will be distributed to thousands of people over the internet, this was not an option for me.

                                        If you have Illustrator, the solution would be to add a point to the vertical strokes of all the lowercase "i" & "l". It's a pain & can be time consuming but it works.

                                        Hope this helps.
                                        • 17. Re: Why are we waiting?
                                          NickLW Community Member

                                          Thanks Ellam for that advice.

                                           

                                          But what I can't understand is - this problem with the thick Ls has been around for ages - years I reckon. What are the developers doing? We've all paid for these expensive updates year in, year out - and still the problem hasn't been fixed. In that time how many thousands of designers must have had to apologise to their clients and explain that the Ls are not supposed to be bold - its just a strange thing that Acrobat/Adobe Reader does?

                                           

                                          And, as you say, its not a problem using Preview on the Mac - so its obviously a fixable problem!

                                           

                                          The thing is, these days, pdfs aren't just a means to an end - in many cases they are the end product. So they need to look right at any scale - not just 800%!

                                           

                                          Just one more thing before I finish my rant: I'm wary of creating pdfs using embedded fonts because years ago I used to do that only to discover that sometimes a different font would display on another PC/Mac. Admittedly I was creating pdfs from Freehand MX 2004. Do you know if embedding in CS4 Illustrator & InDesign is now totally, totally reliable?

                                           

                                          Cheers

                                           

                                          Nick

                                          • 18. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                            Kenneth Benson Community Member

                                            Please don't change the subject line in the thread. Makes it impossible to follow by email.

                                             

                                            But what I can't understand is - this problem with the thick Ls has been around for ages - years I reckon. What are the developers doing? We've all paid for these expensive updates year in, year out - and still the problem hasn't been fixed. In that time how many thousands of designers must have had to apologise to their clients and explain that the Ls are not supposed to be bold - its just a strange thing that Acrobat/Adobe Reader does?

                                            Only those "thousands of designers" who outline their text.

                                             

                                            Fact is, this is not a problem with thick Ls. It's a problem with thick *drawings* of Ls. If you outline your type, a lot of ugly things happen. The worst offenders are in the area of rendering for electronic display.

                                             

                                            Stop outlining. Start embedding. I've seen font substitution problems in PDFs, but none in the last 10 years. Check proofs before printing. About 1996, a client of mine decided that everything had been working so well she could stop looking at bluelines before signing off on them. She got 20,000 copies of a book printed in all italic (except for the italic text, which printed in roman).

                                             

                                            Ken

                                            • 19. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                              phyllisj9 Community Member

                                              Kenneth C. Benson wrote:

                                              About 1996, a client of mine decided that everything had been working so well she could stop looking at bluelines before signing off on them. She got 20,000 copies of a book printed in all italic (except for the italic text, which printed in roman).

                                              It caused me actual pain to read that. What a nightmare.....

                                              • 20. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                NickLW Community Member

                                                Hi Kenneth

                                                 

                                                Thanks for your reply. I will embed text in the future but your example of the 'italic book' just confirms that pdfs - embedded or otherwise are still not completely reliable. You mention 'bluelines' - do you mean printed proofs? Problem is that, in my neck of the woods, printers are abandoning all forms of paper proofs and just sending pdfs to sign off. I had a job recently where I sent the printer an InDesign pdf. The printer then sent me their paginated pdf. I approved it and the job was printed. When I got the job back there were two lines of text missing. I checked the proof that I'd signed off and the text was there (This text wasn't embedded - it was part of a placed illustrator file that had been converted to paths). Anyway I got on the phone to the printer ready to play hell with him only to discover that when he viewed exactly the same pdf, he couldn't see the extra text - so he never new it was there!

                                                 

                                                So I originally sent him a pdf where I could see the extra text.

                                                ... He received it but he couldn't see the extra text.

                                                ... He sent me his paginated pdf for approval - and I could see the text.

                                                 

                                                - Neither of us new the other was seeing the text differently. So I couldn't sue him because all his records showed the extra text never existed. And the proof that I approved - as far as he was concerned - never had the extra text on it.

                                                 

                                                Anyway, since then, I've always sent an additional set of jpegs of each page and said I'm only approving the job on the basis that they have checked that the jpegs match the pdf. But it's far from ideal and I'm not sure what legal rights I'd have if there was a similar print problem again.

                                                • 21. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                  BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                                                  White text on a dark background by chance? If so, and you still have the file, check to see if it's set to overprint in Illustrator?

                                                   

                                                  Bob

                                                  • 22. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                    NickLW Community Member

                                                    Bob - Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

                                                     

                                                    You're right. And I've now set up Illustrator, InDesign and Acrobat Pro to spot the problem in future. Obviously my printer must have had his version of Acrobat Pro set to Preferences - Page Display - Use Overprint Preview - Always.

                                                     

                                                    The mystery solved at last!

                                                     

                                                    And the root of the problem: Freehand. The Illustrator file was originally a Freehand file with the fonts outlined in Freehand before it ever got to Illustrator. And Freehand was always notorious for turning colours to overprint when outlining.

                                                     

                                                    Cheers!

                                                    • 23. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                      Kenneth Benson Community Member

                                                      You mention 'bluelines' - do you mean printed proofs?

                                                      Yes.

                                                       

                                                      If your printer won't send you paper proofs, maybe you need a new printer. I've worked with printers in China who send paper proofs.

                                                       

                                                      It's easy enough to rasterize a perfectly good vector PDF if you have Acrobat Pro. Export a PDF from Indesign. Open it in Acrobat Pro. Print to the Adobe PDF printer and turn on Print as Image. The resulting PDF will have no fonts embedded, no vector data, just rasters. Much easier than making truckloads of jpegs. Of course, this is going to limit the PDF to, I think, 600 dpi, so you would want to instruct your printer to use this for proofing purposes only. And you yourself should check it against the full vector PDF with embedded fonts before you send it out.

                                                       

                                                      BTW, the example I gave you happened 13 years ago, using probably Acrobat 3. Things have gotten better since then. The purpose of the example was not to prove that PDF is fallible; it was to illustrator the necessity of checking proofs. The truth is that PDF is amazing, but we all know there is no perfect software, especially when it's being written and used by humans, a particularly imperfect species.

                                                       

                                                      Ken

                                                      • 24. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                        NickLW Community Member

                                                        Thanks Kenneth for your advice.

                                                         

                                                        I'll certainly have a go at your procedure for rasterizing pdfs for proof purposes.

                                                         

                                                        You'll see in the reply above that Bob Levine has solved the mystery of my missing text.

                                                         

                                                        So all in all I'm now feeling a lot more positive about working with pdfs!

                                                         

                                                        Cheers

                                                        • 25. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                          NDEVR Community Member

                                                          Hi everyone - I've doscovered a solution. I hope it works for other people as well. (As it was happening to me a hell of a lot)

                                                           

                                                          I am using InDesign CS3 btw.

                                                           

                                                          Instead of selecting the "print" to PDF option from the file menu - select the "Export" option - then export the document to PDF and the rendering issue should disappear entirely.

                                                           

                                                          It really was that simple - no rasterizing, no create outlines or not creating outlines - no issues between copying and pasting text from other sources - just export the document rather than selecting to print the document.

                                                          • 26. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                            sssuuusssaaannn Community Member

                                                            I often get that thick letter 'l' and I always export...it doesn't print out

                                                            that way, though.

                                                            • 27. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                              Mattw0023 Community Member

                                                              In doing some tests, I've found this thickness issue occurs with any basic rectangle shape, whether it's from a sans serif font converted to outlines, or if I draw a thinly shaped rectangle in Illustrator or InDesign. It appears more so at smaller zoom sizes where Acrobat avoids adding any anti-alias smoothing.

                                                               

                                                              These shapes render correctly in Acrobat Pro (Mac v.9.5.0) if you turn off "Enhance thin lines" found under Preferences > Page Display > Rendering

                                                               

                                                              Since it would be difficult to ask all end users of a PDF being sent out to turn this "feature" off, I have discovered that the issue can be resolved with either of these two ways:

                                                               

                                                              - Add an extra point (without altering the appearance) to the rectangle shape's edges, so it's no longer just 4 vector points. It'll still visually appear as a straight rectangle, but Acrobat must view it as a polygon now instead of a rectangle and adds proper anti-alias smoothing.

                                                               

                                                              - With logos or type, make all the letters a compound path (In Illustrator choose Object menu > Compound Path > Make). This is why a lowercase i doesn't have problems. The dot is already a compound path with it's rectangle below.

                                                              • 28. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                ashtangakasha Community Member

                                                                Nice summary, Mattw0023. I've been horrified by this problem in PDFs for many years, and I've sought solutions (or at least explanations) now and then, without success. But this thread (and a few of its links) certainly nails it.

                                                                 

                                                                Even though savvy PDF creators now know how to eliminate the problem (albeit sometimes with font editing or unacceptably tedious hand editing), and even though savvy PDF readers now know to turn off Enhance thin lines, it's utterly amazing to me that the Acrobat team hasn't fixed this problem. The problem again came to my attention most grotesquely this morning when I received my PDF of the 2013 February issue of Scientific American. There are several pages right at the beginning which are peppered with dozens of gigantic sans-serif ones and lower-case els, so much so that the whole page looks like a cruel joke on the publisher.

                                                                 

                                                                The same issue also displays tons of examples of jagged baselines, especially with one of their main fonts (BrunelDeck Bold, 10pt.) which looks terrible well into high magnifications.

                                                                 

                                                                Clearly, Scientific American would be shocked to see how bad their PDF magazine looks to many of their customers, and I'm sure somebody at Adobe would be equally chagrinned to see how just a tiny bit of ignorance on the part of legions of end-users, or just a tiny bit of ignorance on the part of numerous respected publishers, is producing such a clunky unprofessional result. We may speculate on why the magazine hasn't managed to eliminate the problem, but ultimately (and rightfully) it all reflects on Acrobat, which is a shame, since it's the only near-universal page display format we have. The fact that this problem has been around, unfixed, for many years just makes the whole situation more astonishing.

                                                                • 29. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                  Dov Isaacs Adobe Employee

                                                                  ashtangakasha,

                                                                   

                                                                  You seem to imply that this is a problem that Adobe can resolve? Given the quite old thread that you re-opened fairly well sums up the issues as really issues of font design, outlining, etc., none of which are under the control of Acrobat/Reader, what do you suggest Adobe do to “fix” this problem?

                                                                   

                                                                            - Dov

                                                                  • 30. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                    ashtangakasha Community Member

                                                                    Hi Dov,

                                                                     

                                                                    Well, I didn't mean to imply that Adobe could solve this problem -- I meant that Adobe most certainly can and should solve this problem. It's slightly ridiculous that an app specifically designed to provide precise representation of typography and graphics would tolerate, without warning, such an egregious violation of accurate reproduction.

                                                                     

                                                                    Note that many commenters in this old thread (for an old problem) point out that other text rendering engines (e.g., Apple's) don't have this problem. Note also that everyone has found that when printed, there is no problem. This suggests that the problem can be solved, not that we have to provide special instructions as a work-around.

                                                                     

                                                                    The essence of it seems to be a choice the Acrobat developers made long ago concerning how "four-anchor-point" rectangles should be rendered. Coupled with the "enhance thin lines" feature, outlined rectangular glyphs end up looking terribly inaccurate. If this isn't an obscure technical glitch, then I don't know what is. Surely you don't believe end-users should have to be warned about this kind of thing?

                                                                     

                                                                    If the problem is, as you imply, not Adobe's, then the solution is a classic waste of resources -- thousands of end-users and PDF creators must be taught to accomodate a short-coming in something that one or two programmers could resolve. PDFs are being used more and more as end products, not just for print preview or document interchange, and converting to outlines is a perfectly rational thing to do. Since it's not an error in the outline conversion, why not give the venerable Acrobat engine a tweak so that it's not causing problems for anyone? (Of course, the real tweak isn't in the engine itself, but merely in the implementation of Enhance Thin Lines.)

                                                                     

                                                                    If nothing else, why not make ETL (a) not the default, and (b) insert a note to the user alongside the setting ("May cause small rectangles to render inaccurately"). I'm certain that if even just this small concession were made, anyone noticing that note would probably slap his/her forehead and exclaim, "So that's what was causing that!"

                                                                     

                                                                    Considering the swift and ubiquitous trend towards higher resolution displays, perhaps the ETL feature itself is obsolete. (Its only real purpose, as far as I can tell, is to prevent fine lines from disappearing, and there are almost certainly better algorithms for doing that.)

                                                                     

                                                                    Although the thread is indeed old, it was especially helpful. I've been running into the issue it addresses consistently for about a decade. Isn't it at all relevant that people still need this information? Adobe can certainly fix this problem.

                                                                     

                                                                    Respectfully,

                                                                     

                                                                    Allen

                                                                     

                                                                    [changed "four-control-point" to "four-anchor-point" - ac]

                                                                    • 31. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                      Mattw0023 Community Member

                                                                      Yes, this is a rendering (anti-aliasing) bug/flaw that Acrobat introduced back around version 5. Older versions of Acrobat did not have this issue. So, I do believe it is up to the Acrobat team to correct this issue they introduced.

                                                                       

                                                                      I've attached a screen shot from Acrobat and Preview to see the difference. The rectangluar outlines should be anti-aliased.

                                                                      Acrobat-Render-Test.png

                                                                       

                                                                      If you have a PDF with a lowercase "L" as type, Acrobat will anti-alias (smooth) it's edges correctly. If you convert this type to outlines or draw a thin recangular shape, Acrobat stops anti-aliasing these paths, which makes them appear innacurately thicker and out of place next to other complex paths.

                                                                       

                                                                      It stems from the "Enance Thin Lines" preference which is useful for making the onscreen appearance of thin strokes remain bold by not anti-aliasing them into nothing. The solution is that Acrobat should only "enhance" strokes, but not rectangles as it once did in older versions.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                        NickLW Community Member

                                                                        Hear Hear!

                                                                         

                                                                        I completely agree Ashtangakasha.

                                                                         

                                                                        Adobe have known about this problem since at least 2008 - probably some time before that. It's inexcusable that they haven't fixed it yet.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                          BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                                                                          Why is this an issue if it's for print only?

                                                                           

                                                                          Seriously, you already know you shouldn't be doing this anyway. If you

                                                                          need a PDF for screen just create one.

                                                                           

                                                                          You can't begin to tell me that a press ready PDF with outlined type is

                                                                          going to be preferred to one optimized for online viewing with real type.

                                                                           

                                                                          Finally, this isn't an InDesign issue, it's an Acrobat issue and should

                                                                          probably be discussed in the Acrobat forum.

                                                                           

                                                                          Bob

                                                                           

                                                                          NickLW <mailto:forums_noreply@adobe.com>

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                                                                          • 34. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                            ashtangakasha Community Member

                                                                            Bob, I completely agree that this discussion should be on the Acrobat forum. But I couldn't resist responding to Matt's summary of the situation. That precipitated further discussion, which was also hard to resist. And your post is also irresistible. It's a catch-22! What's a lad to do?

                                                                             

                                                                            Why is this an issue if it's for print only? Well, for one thing, people send PDFs back and forth as "soft proofs" all the time, and the "four-anchor-rectangle" bug causes enough confusion to be worth fixing.

                                                                             

                                                                            A press-ready PDF with outlined type is indeed preferred by many a quick-print service center. Perhaps you just deal with the top-flight print houses; I have to work with what's available in small towns, many of whom can't print their way out of a paper bag. (To coin a phrase.)

                                                                             

                                                                            As for "shouldn't be doing this anyway," well, gee, I'm really sorry. I'll be sure everyone involved is dealt with, but since some of them are paying for "doing this," I have to go easy on them.

                                                                             

                                                                            And I promise that I won't post any more replies on this thread. (Unless the temptation is truly irresistible.)

                                                                             

                                                                            Allen

                                                                            • 35. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                              5O'ClockCharlie Community Member

                                                                              Thanks for everyone's explanations above.  This acrobat issue hits us on both Illy and Id. 

                                                                               

                                                                              I'll look for an acrobat thread, but in case anyone is on the fence regarding the need for a fix... a number of printers, of various sizes and capabilities, want outlined text, as do we as designers for the final file.

                                                                               

                                                                              Clients will often review the final print files prior to prodcuction (not just a "preview), and in some cases are responsible for the actual submission.  In every case, they will waste all parties' time by having to call about the strange bold letters .  And in every case, we waste time going back to double check that we didn't really "mis-bold" something this time.  Then, the client may have to try to explain it to their supervisor and/or business partner who may or may not grasp it, and so on.

                                                                               

                                                                              It's easy to just render out alternative image formats for everyone's preview, but there will periodically be (an often legitimate) need for dissemination of the final print files to lay pesons. 

                                                                              • 36. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                                BobLevine UGM-MVPs

                                                                                This thread is a year old and the fact remains that outlining type is wrong. If you insist on doing it, you’ll have to live with the consequences.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                                  Willi Adelberger MVP

                                                                                  Bob Levine schrieb:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  This thread is a year old and the fact remains that outlining type is wrong. If you insist on doing it, you’ll have to live with the consequences.

                                                                                  I completly agree.

                                                                                  Outlining causes not only a problem with L or I or l or - or – or —, but also with the loss of automatic numbers, paragraph rules, underlines, strikethrough, bullets, text frames, strokes and a lot more. There is no reason to outline fonts, avoid it and you will not run into problems where rectangle glyphs are converted into a line with 2 anchors which will end up in a bad screen experience.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  (This thread is not 1 year old, it is 6 years since this thread has started!)

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                                    perfectpuree Community Member

                                                                                    SOLUTION!

                                                                                    If you are working in Illustrator all you need to do is take the "Add anchor point tool" and add an extra point on the sides of the I's and L's and probably periods too. See screenshot below. When you save as PDF and view in acrobat the thick lines will now be gone. This is not an easy fix if you have a lot of text, but it works none the less.
                                                                                    testing.jpg

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Thick letter L in pdf
                                                                                      Willi Adelberger MVP

                                                                                      Better solution: Don't convert text to outlines!

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