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Here's the most irritating part --- you pretend not to understand why people are upset in the first place. That is evidenced by your responses.
"Why not just disable it if it bothers you?"
See, now... that's just irritating because you don't seem to get it (I know you do, though). People are asking you for help to do just that (get rid of it)! right? c'mon now... admit it.
And the classic,
"You must have something to hide then."
That's what the Nazi's said when people resisted their breaking down doors.
That's what police say when they want to illegally search the trunk of your car.
You know that guy that lives across the street from you? The one with the binoculars that is always looking into your kitchen window? Well, you don't mind, right? After all "you don't have anything to hide". right?
And then, again today, after how many months?,
Please do your job & ask someone to fix that one line that has wasted so much of your customers time.
Now here is what the real bottom line problem is in very simple terms. (The real reason why I'm so mad!)
Your company has invaded my privacy! I feel (virtually) raped! See, I like to think that I am in control of MY computer. I like to think that I can fix it up the way I want to. (bet everyone at Adobe is laughing now, hahaha). No, no, people -- I'm trying to be serious here. Creative, Sierra, WMPlayer, now Google and Adobe -- all stepping over the line because they think they can (or could). Time will tell, but everytime I think of Adobe now, I'm going to think about bad stuff not good stuff. John, I bet you're a nice guy and I hope you look for a job with a good company -- but put the porn down and pay attention to the posts or you might have to.
Easy there Jim. I'm with you but no need for you to pop a vein. ;)
BTW, mDNSresponder -r removes itself clean enough but simply renaming and deleting the remaining DLL leaves behind some winsock related registry entries that could cause network problems. As I recommended in my earlier post they're easily cleaned up with lspfix.exe.
You are wasting your breath. None of us here, not even John, works for Adobe. We are users just like yourself.
Jim, hold your fire. John Joslin is just another user like you and I.
And, as a footnote, I think this latest release of Photoshop IS a load of rubbish for a load of reasons, starting with the installer and going on from there.
I don't need to list them it's all here to see in this forum!
You will see a few critical posts from me too.
I removed Bonjour based on the above posts and I have had 3 weeks of frustration with a "Restart is required" dialog being thrown up every time I boot or try to choose "Update.." from the Help menu of any of the CS3 apps. The problem was finally solved by reinstalling Photoshop from the CS3 DVD. Based on this experience, I do not recommend removing Bonjour.
John... John, Now Just Wait, wait, wait here...
I just upgraded, tonight and already my computer is acting funny, my mouse speed actually "slows down" and is less responsive whenever it is over the Photoshop CS3 window (Active window only). Now this is not just a little bit slower, it is quite noticeable!
I have had computers since the early 80s, generally have above average hardware and have never had a software program actually slow down my system itself! I have not even had the chance to see if I actually "Like" the new program better than my even more expensive first foray into Adobe world. Don't get me wrong, Photoshop 7 was worth every cent and I will most likely continue to use it.
Now, if this was some inexpensive program then you might expect there to "Be a catch" and you would just uninstall the program completely, or revert to a recent back up of your system and NEVER, EVER do business with that company AGAIN! Being a business man myself that use my computers to earn my paycheck I am keenly aware that you do not intentionally make your customers mad and their personal lives more stressful if you expect them to continue to do business with you! It is almost like you just do not want to remain in business at all.
I don't care how good you think your "product" is, there are other "Products" out there are pretty good too. They are generally much less expensive, supported better and even though their new versions might gently pull a few more resources from the computer so that you would feel justified in getting a new computer every 12 to 18 months. But nothing that would actually be noticeably slower than before or you just would not continue to use that software.
And having very recently plunked down a "Wad" of cash for the "privilege" of using this version of the software I am very much hoping that the problem is resolved simply and completely and without "Me" having to do a lot of under the hood work. Pulling up a backup is much simpler then mucking around with the command line making registry changes by hand and that is most likely what I will do.
But the average user (I am a photographer and graphics designer) will quickly get lost and blow up his system. Most of my colleagues are great at what they do, but mucking around with such things are beyond the scope of their talents. These people earn their living with these machines and I guarantee if you make their lives miserable and or cause them financial hardship you will be wishing for a lawsuit. It would be much better than not ever being able to sell them anything ever again.
By the way, I have a feeling that I will be calling customer service or maybe dropping this note or an amended version of it to the Corporate office sometime soon.
I hope that there is an easy resolution to all of this, I really do.
Tony M Patterson
It's also common knowledge that John Joslin is actually responsible for the breakup of the Beatles.
I was hoping you wouldn't mention that!
So it was
and not Yoko?
It was not Yoko. It was not Linda. It was John Joslin. The very same John Joslin that works at Adobe. He is the one responsible for CS3. All by himself Jim outed John concerning Photoshop. I'm letting everyone know how he ruined the Beatles.
Suddenly I feel very guilty :(
And very well you should, Sir.
John Joslin circa 1971.
"Hey John, Paul says his name should be listed first on writing credits".
"Hey Paul, John says you aren't a very good base player".
"Hey George, you should introduce your wife to Eric Clapton".
"Hey Ringo, John, George and Paul said that you don't sing very well".
John Joslin circa 2006: "I'm in charge of Adobe Photoshop CS3 now and I have some really great ideas. Let's start with changing the Print Setup".
:-) Isn't it nice to leave the lounge door open now and again :-)
Suddenly, it all makes sense...
don solomon - 8:39am Jun 19, 07 PST (#31 of 57) Wrote:
Thankfully, there is a way around their install procedure to choose what you want and a way to totally eliminate Bonjour.
So what is this method of installation full control? And why has nobody else asked this question? MY computer, I choose what to install!
hvlnog902 at sneakemail.com
Read this thread, first post, where I indicate how it is done. It works perfectly--never had a hiccup since doing it. Got exactly what I wanted on and nothing else.
Robert Barnett, "CS3 Install Without Mandatory Payloads--Here's How To Do it !!!!" #1, 5 May 2007 7:54 am
I don't think JJ works for adobe...
and JJ actually IS Yoko, when he's in drag.
just thought i'd clear that up.
More secrets coming out! :(
Does it still not use system resources?
Does it still not slow down start up?
Honest and sincere questions
> Does it still not use system resources?
not when it's disabled in the services applet. then it never starts.
"not when it's disabled in the services applet. then it never starts."
Where do I find the 'services applet'? In CS3 or in Windows? Thanks.
i Start > All Programs > Administrative Tools > Services
nobody reads post #1! :)
Just to clarify, it's:
Start>Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services
The Bonjour Service is not listed as "Bonjour Service". It will probably be at the top of the list of services, and will begin with:
Just disable it there and it won't bother you again.
what rick said. :)
The bonjour service broke my Vista internet connection.
After removing the Bonjour service, everthing works normally.
After I installed Dreamweaver CS3, I had no internet connection after rebooting Windows Vista.
Windows would start up and show both my network and an "unknown network" in the Network & Sharing Center. This may have happened since my son has a mac attached to the network. Because of the "unknown network", Vista locked out my connection to the internet through my router.
The work around was to disable & then enable my network connection. I had to do this everytime I rebooted. Very annoying.
Adobe should remove Bonjour from Dreamweaver. There is almost nothing worse than installing the best web site development tool and finding that your internet connection is broken. It had me worried that there was a fundamental bug in Dreamweaver.
One gets the impression that they mean well but don't think things through.
In my book, that's incompetence and unforgivable in a market leading application.
CS3 seems to be littered with these bloopers.
Alternatively (on XP Pro):
Click Start > Right click on My Computer > Manage > Services and
Applications > Services > Extended tab and #Id is probably at the top of
Is it worthwhile in general disabling #Id?
> One gets the impression that they mean well but don't think things through.
> In my book, that's incompetence and unforgivable in a market leading application.
> CS3 seems to be littered with these bloopers.
From my experience if you dont use iTunes or the rest of the CS suite you can disable it, I did. It is a service and as such will use some resources and there is no problem unless you try to uninstall it then it can get complicated. But unless you are desperate for hard disk space, just disable it and everything is back to normal.
Just my 2 cents...
Appreciated Tony - thank you for the details.
> From my experience if you dont use iTunes or the rest of the CS suite you can disable it, I did. It is a service and as such will use some resources and there is no problem unless you try to uninstall it then it can get complicated. But unless you are desperate for hard disk space, just disable it and everything is back to normal.
> Just my 2 cents...
Psst! deebs! you can turn off your autoquote!
Will do John.
I try to do so manually but on occasions forget.
thank you adobe, I didnt know about Bonjour, I didnt even know it got installed with Flash CS3, tried to kill it erasing all entries in the registry and it KILLED my internet connection
reinstalling windows didnt work, I had to format
next time don't go messing with your registry. just read post #1! (I know, nobody reads post #1)
Why do it simply when there are more difficult ways to do it, Dave?
Surely it's better to turn off a light bulb by unscrewing it rather than using the wall switch?