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      • 120. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
        dave milbut Community Member
        how would they get the serial number without opening the package?
        • 121. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
          (stevefoobar)
          I believe that since they are claiming these are OEM copies, that means the don't come in a package or with any printed material or eve a box. They provide just the media, which presumably has the serial number printed right on the paper sleeve or the media itself. They should be able to just read it and email me the serial number, but I'm certainly not holding my breath while waiting for their reply.

          Most of these "no name" businesses that have these store fronts on eBay, Amazon.com, Price Grabber, etc. could be one person working from their kitchen table for all you know. Amazon may have more stringent requirements on who they will let sell on their site but I doubt eBay and Price Grabber do. :-)
          • 122. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
            dave milbut Community Member
            there are no OEM copies of cs3. see? that was easy! :)
            • 123. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
              BobLevine UGM
              Over a hundred messages here and there's always someone who thinks they've found the only legit dealer selling Adobe software at 75% off.

              Bob
              • 124. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                dave milbut Community Member
                I love it when people don't understand why adobe doesn't give away it's 700 dollar software with a scanner that goes for 29.99. but the "oem resellers" don't even give you the scanner!!!

                here's a tip for people who buy software that IS oem... one of the terms of the oem software is generally you need to sell it WITH the equiptment. so an "OEM version" of windows for example is generally only legal when sold WITH A COMPUTER.
                • 125. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                  Community Member
                  I contacted Adobe chat. I chatted with two customer service representatives and both have informed me that my serial number is a legal/legit and that it not registered to anyone. On both occations, neither mentioned anything about it needing to be sold with a computer. Both times I asked whether I can use the serial number with the upgrade CD of CS4 and they told me that I could and I need not worry.
                  Also, my OEM CD came with manuals.
                  • 126. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                    dave milbut Community Member
                    ya. good luck with that come upgrade time. :)
                    • 127. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                      BobLevine UGM
                      That was a very old version of Premier Pro...There may well have been
                      OEM versions of that back then.

                      But there's none of that for the CS4 apps though I've seen Acrobat
                      Standard distributed with document scanners.

                      Bob
                      • 128. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                        John T Smith MVP
                        >That was a very old version of Premier Pro...There may well have been OEM versions of that back then

                        My understanding is that during the change from Premiere 6x to Premiere Pro 1 Adobe sold a bundled version (to Sony for Vaio?) that was called either Premiere Standard or Premiere 7 (I have seen both names used when people ask questions)

                        Every now and then someone drops into the Premiere 6x or "latest" Premiere CS forums... and they are directed to the Premiere Pro 1x forum for "close enough" answers

                        As far as I know, there were never any updates for that bundled version... I don't know if Adobe ever offered a discount to update to any later version

                        PS - I started with Premiere with version 6, which was bundled with a Pinnacle Dv500 analog to digital card... I later used that to upgrade to PPro 2 (don't remember the discounted price, but it was a good sized savings over regular retail)
                        • 129. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                          dave milbut Community Member
                          >PS - I started with Premiere with version 6,

                          which would be around ps version 5.5... about the last time i think ps was OEM'd... mighta been some 6 as well but that's the time frame.
                          • 130. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                            (stevefoobar) Community Member
                            Obviously there is much confusion and lots of "opinions" about this and I'll never understand why companies like Adobe cause this confusion in the first place, then don't apparently do something to clear it all up.

                            They can certainly read this and many other threads and respond if they wanted to. Either they have licensed legal OEM copies of CS3 in the past or they haven't. I suppose only they know for sure!

                            And then they wonder why people create crack versions of their software, even just one day after they release a new version.

                            Very frustrating for those that either can't afford or can't justify the full price for the latest version but would be willing to buy a legal copy of an older version for a reduced price. That seems like a legitimate and vibrant market segment to me.

                            Are you listening Adobe? Do you care?
                            • 131. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                              dave milbut Community Member
                              >Either they have licensed legal OEM copies of CS3 in the past or they haven't

                              they haven't. they've stated that here. just passing it on.

                              >And then they wonder why people create crack versions of their software, even just one day after they release a new version.

                              because some people will pay for it... a lot less than adobe sells it for.

                              >Are you listening Adobe? Do you care?

                              no. they're not, and they don't. ;)
                              • 132. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                Community Member
                                My first Photoshop was version 4 and it came bundled with a scanner for a
                                $200 extra fee. It was not called OEM, however - it was something like "For
                                bundled purchases only" or something.
                                • 133. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                  D. McCahill Community Member
                                  That is about the time that Photoshop stopped being bundled. For one thing, scanners dropped from the $1500 I paid for my first one, to the under $250 range (and lower since). It no longer became worth it to scanner makers to include Photoshop in their package, even if the OEM fee was only $100 or so. (Actually, if you paid $200 extra, then the OEM fee was probably a bit higher). They wrote their own limited software, and let the users buy Photoshop or get something else when they discovered how limited the included software was.
                                  • 134. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                    (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                    Don this sounds plausible but are you really sure about CS3 being the right time-frame for OEM bundling to have stopped? I would have thought bundling because of scanner prices dropping would have occured a LONG time ago--more like Photohop version 6!

                                    It would be so simple if Adobe would just state when they last licensed OEM copies in the U.S.
                                    • 135. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                      D. McCahill Community Member
                                      Did I say CS3? The OEM for Photoshop probably ended before version 5.5.

                                      I don't think Adobe has to publicly address this issue. OEM has not been available for over 10 years, and this is well know by, at least, the regular users of these forums. Anyone claiming to be selling OEM since then is pirating.
                                      • 136. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                        (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                        OK, that does make much more sense and explains a lot. I'm now convinced there's not likely a legitimate OEM version of CS3 out there so I won't bother to pursue this.

                                        Reading this thread and other online articles about piracy, I understand it's sometime nearly impossible to even recognize pirated software because of the sophisticated packing done by the more serious pirates.

                                        That leaves me with the only logical conclusion--it's much safer to just download a cracked version of Adobe products where you know you can rely on getting a valid and fully working version and always be assured you have the latest version available.

                                        OK, just kidding....just kidding...just kidding!

                                        I guess I'll have to consider buying Adobe Photoshop Elements instead. I just wish the Adobe site had a clear comparison feature for feature of the differences between the two versions so it would be easier for me to decide (for example, I don't do any advanced color management or color profiling of my hardware and I know this is just one of the differences between the two versions).

                                        Oh well...maybe I'll ask that on another thread.

                                        Thanks everyone for your input and from keeping me from potentially wasting money and time with these pirated "OEM" versions.

                                        Steve
                                        Chicago, IL USA
                                        • 137. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                          dave milbut Community Member
                                          how about taking a night course at a local college and getting photoshop at an educational discount?
                                          • 138. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                            (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                            Wow...that's thinking "outside the box" Dave. Nice. I'll have to check that out. Chicago is large enough to probably have very low-cost classes (much lower than the price difference I would bet) but I'll have to check the Adobe requirements to qualify. It just might be worth it not to mention fun!
                                            • 139. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                              John T Smith MVP
                                              check www.studica.com for prices and requirements
                                              • 140. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                dave milbut Community Member
                                                >much lower than the price difference I would bet)

                                                about 400 bux savings on standalone photoshop!
                                                • 141. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                  (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                  Thanks again guys. I would bet you're right...quite a savings and I might actually learn something about Photoshop also (although I won't have any high expectations of that). Hey I don't actually have to attend classes after I register and pay right? :-)
                                                  • 142. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                    John T Smith MVP
                                                    You need a student ID to buy from www.studica.com

                                                    I don't think they require a grade report... go check
                                                    • 143. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                      PlexusDS Community Member
                                                      Also remember that academic licenses don't permit the commercial use of the product... so you can't use it for work purposes!
                                                      • 144. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                        BobLevine UGM
                                                        Adobe academic licenses permit commercial work!

                                                        Bob
                                                        • 145. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                          (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                          Yes, thanks. That makes sense. I wouldn't use it professionally or for business purposes anyway.
                                                          • 146. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                            BobLevine UGM
                                                            I should add that this is for North America...different regions have
                                                            different rules.

                                                            Bob
                                                            • 147. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                              (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                              Software licensing is such a complex subject, second only I'm sure to book publishing and music licensing! I'm surprised there aren't any software licensing "police" yet like the music industry has (ASCAP, BMI). :-)
                                                              • 148. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                dave milbut Community Member
                                                                check http://www.bsa.org/
                                                                • 149. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                  PlexusDS Community Member
                                                                  http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-combined-20080623_1026.pdf

                                                                  Section 16.3:
                                                                  Educational Software Product. If the Software is Educational Software Product (Software manufactured and distributed for use by only Educational End Users), you are not entitled to use the Software unless you qualify in your jurisdiction as an Educational End User.

                                                                  That pretty much sums up that it can only be used for Educational purposes.. if you're using it in a commercial capacity, you aren't an Educational End User.. you're a commercial end user.. you may have qualified to BUY the Educational version, but that doesn't mean it can be used commercially.

                                                                  J
                                                                  • 150. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                    (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                                    Oops...guess I spoke too soon. :-)
                                                                    • 151. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                      BobLevine UGM
                                                                      That's not what it says. It says you can't use it at all unless you're
                                                                      qualified to use it. If you are, you can use it for commercial purposes.

                                                                      Bob
                                                                      • 152. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                        John Joslin Community Member
                                                                        Jason, you are wrong as far as Adobe software (at least in most countries) is concerned. This topic has been discussed to death in other threads and should not be further discussed here.

                                                                        This is a PIRACY WARNING thread!
                                                                        • 153. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                          D. McCahill Community Member
                                                                          Jason

                                                                          The educational version can be used commercially. The student version (lower price and stricter availability) cannot be used commercially.
                                                                          • 154. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                            paul9220
                                                                            I had a friend who bought Windows XP (to downgrade his Vista) from a private seller on Amazon. Yes, it was a counterfeit. I suggested he file a complaint through Amazon because even though it's a private seller, it is sold under the aegis of Amazon.

                                                                            He has so filed. It's in process. I suggest that anybody stuck with such goods file a complaint. As to eBay, I bought an iPod for my daughter. It was perfectly functional but a Chinese rip off of Apples intellectual property which offended me. I demanded a return from the seller who refused. I filed through PayPal based ONLY that it violated Apples property rights - because it did work.

                                                                            PayPal did a full refund over the frantic objections of the seller.
                                                                            • 155. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                              (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                                              Wow...what an interesting story Paul. Thanks for sharing it with us. These are great ideas and I'm impressed that you did the right thing. I've personally vowed to try to absolutely avoid all Chinese imported food (toxic), all cheap dollar store items (99% imported from China and 98% non-functional or toxic) and really try hard to minimize valid purchases of made-in-China merchandise until they learn to control their illegal activities, reduce corruption and comply with international copyright and patent guidelines, not to mention free-up their currency so it floats freely with the other world currencies.

                                                                              Sorry, didn't mean for this thread to become political but it's just not right how much that country gets away with and how much revenue they divert from U.S. companies with activities like these.
                                                                              • 156. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                                dave milbut Community Member
                                                                                i've been impressed with paypal for a while now. i used them in their 1st incarnation, before being bought by ebay and got screwed over something like a 15 dollar purchase where the guy never shipped (and is STILL want the little jose cuervo bar game i won! :( :))

                                                                                but fast forward 10 years or so and i needed something to pay for an overseas site i wanted to use ( http://www.letsplaychess.com ) without putting my credit card # overseas and paypal fit the bill. since then (about 2 years now) i have nothing but good things to say about them.

                                                                                I really like their browser plugin and the auto generate a 1 time use only card.
                                                                                • 157. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                                  (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                                                  Ahh...you learn something new every day. What's the name of the PayPal plug-in and is it for IE 7 or Firefox?

                                                                                  Thanks.
                                                                                  • 158. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                                    dave milbut Community Member
                                                                                    it's called, are you ready... "paypal plugin". :)

                                                                                    log into your paypal account normally and download it. you should have no trouble finding it. and it works in ie AND firefox, so there must be 2 components in the one installer.
                                                                                    • 159. Re: Thinking of buying from eBay?
                                                                                      (stevefoobar) Community Member
                                                                                      Thanks!
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