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1. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(gcollins) Apr 3, 2008 2:56 PM (in response to dpick2)This is great news! Thanks for sharing this!
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2. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(DGWaters) Apr 4, 2008 12:16 PM (in response to dpick2)Strange. I had expected some juicy comments on this thread, but instead it seems to sink like a stone...I thought this was BIG?
I can sympathize with not wanting to rub it in the faces of the poor mac users across the hall, but right now I think they're too busy plotting The Revenge Of The Fruit to notice. It's ironic, considering that some of those guys have hardware (Macpros) that could really fly with a 64 bit Photoshop - at the price of a small house, to be sure, but still. But they'll get there next time around.
Anyway, Vista x64 and 8 gigs of RAM is a very nice place to be in right now, and Adobe's decision will speed up the overall transition to 64 bits by diffusion. Expect to see the first x64 OEMs aimed at the gamers nearing christmas, that will open the gates... -
3. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dpick2 Apr 4, 2008 12:59 PM (in response to dpick2)I'm kind of surprised more haven't responded, too. I have Ultimate 64 with 8gigs, and I can't wait for this to come out. I've got a few old tried and true plug-ins that are no longer in production, so they'll be toast. I'm not looking forward to that, but this is truly great news for us Windows people. I've got a few Apple fan-boy friends who'll have a hard time swallowing this. -
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Jack Cates Apr 4, 2008 1:17 PM (in response to dpick2)Really? I believe I'm not alone here when I say I'm one of those who will only believe the software exists as stated when it sits on a store shelf. And even then only in its existence. As for it working as stated, we'll see after some reputable third parties take some pokes at it. Not point in getting excited yet.
A clump of dirt can look like a rock from a distance; get up close and poke it, it crumbles like the dirt that it is.
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5. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
ArrrBee Apr 4, 2008 4:46 PM (in response to (DGWaters))It is impressive that Adobe is leading the way with some of the major
applications to 64-bit. However, 64-bit is far from main stream. If it was
you might get more people hot and bothered for it. Myself I am at least 3 to
5 years away from making that jump. A lot more of the software I use has to
come to 64-bit. Adobe's products alone won't make me switch. Neither will
Vista which I think is the poorest OS Microsoft ever put out.
Also the price of the hardware needed for a good 64-bit system is still
pretty steep. I would want at least a quad core and 16GB of ram. Less than
that I don't see the point. So something's still need to come together. But,
I am still happy to see Adobe working hard on it. Another thing to wait for
is the 64-bit version of Photoshop and Lightroom is basically going to be
version 1. I will wait until version 2 with hopes the bugs are worked out by
then.
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6. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(DGWaters) Apr 5, 2008 1:03 AM (in response to dpick2)>Neither will
Vista which I think is the poorest OS Microsoft ever put out.
I wash my hands of this one. I just don't know why everybody are so unhappy with Vista, set up on a healthy system it is dead stable and plenty fast.
>I would want at least a quad core and 16GB of ram.
OK, so would I. But for the moment it's running very well on a C2D 6750 and 8 gigs. And there are performance benefits right now: Vistas superfetch will use all available RAM for caching, and it really works: Photoshop launch time, for instance, is next to nothing even from a cold boot (just read your email first to give the caching time to finish -)
And even now, PS CS3 will use an extra 2 GB of RAM as a cache for the scratch disk if it's on an x64 system. Plus, there's no risk in allocating 100% in PS preferences - that's not a good move if you're restricted to 4 GB address space; remember, both ACR and some filters may require additional address space above the PS allocation, and often in contiguous chunks. Not to mention all your other stuff. All this is outlined in Scott Byer's piece on "Heavy Lifting".
So I think the case for 64 bits is rapidly getting stronger. I'm pretty sure you can run Vista 64 on your present system, give it a try. -
7. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(DGWaters) Apr 5, 2008 1:37 AM (in response to dpick2)Sorry; Adam Jerugim co-wrote that piece. Well worth reading. -
8. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
ArrrBee Apr 5, 2008 7:09 AM (in response to (DGWaters))When I update my computer I generally want big bang. I don't do much in the
way of minor updates. So for 64-bit and the cost involved I want a big bang
from it. That means quad core or 2, 16GB of RAM or more. I already have
three monitors, two video cards and 8TB of hard drive space. Right now the
bottle neck is the processor and ram. Neither of which in my opinion is
worth updating until 64-bit is more widely available. Which is fine I still
have another 3 to 5 years to go before I look at a system upgrade. With luck
by then 64-bit will be much more widely available.
Robert -
9. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Hudechrome-sd9sPI Apr 5, 2008 7:42 AM (in response to dpick2)Read e-mail first? Hell, on a single core AMD with XP Pro, I don't have time to go look for it. -
10. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dave milbut Apr 5, 2008 8:00 AM (in response to dpick2)> set up on a healthy system it is dead stable and plenty fast.
set up on the SAME system, xp is faster in nearly all categories. -
11. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Hudechrome-sd9sPI Apr 5, 2008 8:08 AM (in response to dpick2)So, now, MS is working on a new OS that will not be backwards compatible in the sense that their OS's have in the past. I wonder how that will affect Photoshop 64 bit.
Actually, any older PS. -
12. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(DGWaters) Apr 5, 2008 8:58 AM (in response to dpick2)>set up on the SAME system, xp is faster in nearly all categories
That's probably true, I'm not arguing that (and especially when SP3 comes out.) My point was more about upping address space, which gives real performance benefits (reducing reliance on scratch disk) even with 32-bit applications.
>When I update my computer I generally want big bang
I can see that point too, don't get me wrong. On a production machine, you don't play around too much. It's just that in my opinion, the big bang is just around the corner. -
13. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dave milbut Apr 5, 2008 10:03 AM (in response to dpick2)>upping address space, which gives real performance benefits
erm, no it doesn't. -
14. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Hudechrome-sd9sPI Apr 5, 2008 10:13 AM (in response to dpick2)explain, dave. -
15. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Bart Cross Apr 5, 2008 10:22 AM (in response to dpick2)Larry: WIN 7 will be 'backward compatible' but it will be handled differently. That is how I read the article (for what its worth).
And until they come up with a better 'hard drive' there will always be that bottle-neck.
As far as Dave's comment, it is like having multi-cores, it is not faster, just more stable. -
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dave milbut Apr 5, 2008 10:38 AM (in response to dpick2)>WIN 7 will be 'backward compatible' but it will be handled differently. That is how I read the article (for what its worth).
yes.
>s far as Dave's comment, it is like having multi-cores, it is not faster, just more stable.
yes and no. it's not faster in and of itself. it must be taken advantage of. the boosts a 32 bit app might get out of extra address space are minimal and could probably be achieved in other ways as well. -
17. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
(DGWaters) Apr 5, 2008 11:01 AM (in response to dpick2)Scott Byers blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html
is still alive with new comments and answers from Scott.
Here's another:
http://homepage.mac.com/boots911/.Public/PhotoshopAccelerationBasics2.4W.pdf
Look, I'm not a computer engineer, and I'm not going to argue this until the bitter end. I'm just one of those guys who in addition to using PS are fascinated by the technology aspect of all this, and I try to learn as I go along. -
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dpick2 Apr 5, 2008 12:19 PM (in response to dpick2)Right now, I'm working on a 1.15gig image. I'm listening to music as well as surfing the internet while I print out sections of the image. I have not seen one bit of lag or issues. I'm pretty dang satisfied with how this rig is running.
BTW, I use Xp pro quite a bit, too. However, if you want to compare apples to apples--Vista 64 blows away Xp 64. -
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Bart Cross Apr 5, 2008 1:13 PM (in response to dpick2)As I've pointed out before XP 32 or Vista 64. Vista was really about focusing on the 64bit version, it shows and it rocks. -
20. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dave milbut Apr 5, 2008 1:15 PM (in response to dpick2)>Vista 64 blows away Xp 64.
no argument there. just in driver support from what i hear. -
21. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Bart Cross Apr 6, 2008 4:15 AM (in response to dpick2)Psssst, Dave, your records broken. -
22. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dave milbut Apr 6, 2008 8:24 AM (in response to dpick2)records are so old school man. get with the program! blu-ray! -
23. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Bart Cross Apr 6, 2008 9:57 AM (in response to dpick2)Pssst, Dave, your blu-ray's scratched. -
24. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
dave milbut Apr 6, 2008 10:11 AM (in response to dpick2)backed up. :P
http://www.slysoft.com/en/ -
25. Re: Nack confirms: CS4 will offer 64bit version (Windows only)
Hudechrome-sd9sPI Apr 6, 2008 10:52 AM (in response to dpick2)I stand in awe of ID. :D


