11 Replies Latest reply: Oct 31, 2007 5:14 PM by Joe Bowden RSS

    "PIP with swap" ?

    lchapman66 Community Member
      I have a potential client that wants a DVD to emulate "Picture-In-Picture
      with swap" capability. If Encore supported multiple-angles I could use that.

      So . . . can anybody come up with a way using the CS2 products to do this?
      I would consider an upgrade to CS3 if I was sure there was a way to get this done with that version.

      Thanks in advance.

      -- Larry Chapman
        • 1. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
          Neil Wilkes CommunityMVP
          Larry.
          What's the "With Swap" part meant to do please?
          PIP can be faked - in a limited way - with Premiere Pro, but I have no idea what Swap is.
          • 2. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
            lchapman66 Community Member
            On TVs with PIP you have a "Swap" button that instantly swaps the
            small picture for the large picture.

            -- Larry Chapman
            • 3. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
              Harm Millaard CommunityMVP
              Use AE or PP for that.
              • 4. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                Joe Bowden Adobe Employee
                Can this even be done with a multi-angle DVD? I haven't seen any evidence that it's possible, and would consider it unlikely due to bandwidth issues from decompressing more than one video stream with the cheapo playback chips used on DVD players

                I think you would need to pre-build this as an asset using After Effects or PPro, as suggested by Harm.
                • 5. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                  lchapman66 Community Member
                  >> Use AE or PP for that.

                  I fully understand how to create a PIP in AE or PP.
                  The question is: How do I create a DVD that will swap
                  the large and small pictures with a button on the remote?

                  -- Larry Chapman
                  • 6. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                    lchapman66 Community Member
                    >> Can this even be done with a multi-angle DVD? I haven't seen any
                    >> evidence that it's possible, and would consider it unlikely due to
                    >> bandwidth issues from decompressing more than one video stream with
                    >> the cheapo playback chips used on DVD players
                    >>
                    >> I think you would need to pre-build this as an asset using After
                    >> Effects or PPro, as suggested by

                    I can easily create two PIP video streams in AE or PP - One with each swapped configuration. Therefore, no "bandwidth issues".

                    Now, can you think of any way in Encore to create a DVD where you can switch between those two timelines(?) such that if you're at a specific timecode in timeline-A, you land in exactly the same spot in timeline-B?

                    I'm pretty sure that's how multi-angle works (multi-cam shoot, switch between cameras via the button on the remote).

                    -- Larry Chapman
                    • 7. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                      Harm Millaard CommunityMVP
                      You may have a look at DVDLab Pro, that fully supports Multi Angle.
                      • 8. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                        Joe Bowden Adobe Employee
                        Multi-angle video requires two or more video streams of equal duration (with equal GOPs) to play back simultaneously from the same Video Title Set - the viewer then can switch among the playing streams using the Angle button on their remote. The switching is not really seamless - it occurs on the next GOP.

                        What I strongly doubt is that it is possible to display more than one video stream at a time from a VTS on a DVD player, as you are trying to do with your PIP idea.

                        It is possible to do something like this with Blu-ray, although Encore doesn't support that feature yet. But I doubt it can be done with DVD-Video at all, except for the workarounds suggested. If anyone knows differently, please chime in with a link.
                        • 9. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                          Joe Bowden Adobe Employee
                          Motion menus on DVD-Video consist only of a single video and audio stream with a subpicture overlay for buttons.

                          This further reinforces my notion that this request is not possible using multi-angle on DVD-V.
                          • 10. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                            Ruud Blauw Community Member
                            With multi-angle it probably would be possible to simulate a "PIP & swap" by preparing angle streams which already have a PIP burned in PPro or AE. But with a maximum of 9 angles you would run fairly quickly out of switching options.
                            • 11. Re: "PIP with swap" ?
                              Joe Bowden Adobe Employee
                              Yeah, I'm nearly certain that it can't be done using multi-angle alone on DVD-V. And the menu switching will definitely have the standard limitation of starting playback at the beginning, not where the video would appear to be in the previous menu.

                              A clunky workaround for something the format doesn't support.