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40. Re: New Forum Look
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 5, 2009 8:48 PM (in response to dave milbut)dave milbut wrote:
please shrink down the input box to be…
…resizable, and make it so the user's chosen size (both width and height) is sticky.
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41. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 5, 2009 8:57 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)Ramón G Castañeda wrote:
dave milbut wrote:
please shrink down the input box to be…
…resizable, and make it so the user's chosen size (both width and height) is sticky.
it doesn't have to be "resizable" per se, and maybe it shouldn't at all. too many ways for a user to mess that up... but it SHOULD match the rest of the columns in the different views of the forum (topic list view, post list inside thread view, edit view).
just because you're not showing those right hand columns in edit view, doesn't mean you should FILL that view with the edit box. the edit box should take up no more and no less space than the same area in the topic list view and the post list view. it's very impolite to make people scroll back and forth...
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42. Re: New Forum Look
Curt Wrigley Apr 5, 2009 9:16 PM (in response to dave milbut)John mentioned during the preview that the comment box size is supposed to be sticky but it isn't. So, I expect its on the bug list.
(you can resize the height, but it doesn't stick)
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43. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 5, 2009 9:33 PM (in response to Curt Wrigley)oh yea, i see that now. well at least i'm not the only one that this annoys.
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44. Re: New Forum Look
Al Ferrari Apr 5, 2009 10:00 PM (in response to DonRicklin-BKE8wc)How about a threaded tree view? That would help find where we left off the last time we visited, plus it shows to which post the replies are addressed.
I also agree with most of comments about too much wasted space.
Al
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45. Re: New Forum Look
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 5, 2009 11:50 PM (in response to Al Ferrari)Al Ferrari wrote:
How about a threaded tree view?
Oy! Al, that's already available in your forum Preferences. But I doubt you've actually seen it live, or you wouldn't be asking for it.
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46. Re: New Forum Look
D Fosse-QDEaQ1 Apr 6, 2009 3:29 AM (in response to greenjumpyone)greenjumpyone wrote:
and what's with the "The Question has been Possibly Answered" thing at the top???
It seems unnecessary to me AND there is a potential it's inaccurate, such as for this thread! I feel that header is just taking up space and really not providing a true service.
And why the "rating" for correctly answered (10pts) or partially answered (5pts)? We keeping score here? To what end?
Shush. I have 5 points! Woo-hooo!
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47. Re: New Forum Look
D. McCahill Apr 6, 2009 6:17 AM (in response to dave milbut)I can live with the new forums. I am so glad that John tweaked the linespacing, which was way too tight in the earlier messages of the beta. I have set the forums to thread, which I kinda like, although it might make it hard to follow new messages. It also gets to rather small widths when reply indents get over eight or so. That might be a good thing, as it will allow me to ignore messages bickering back and forth at each other. It is nice to be able to reply to a thread a couple days back, and have it follow that message immediately (although I know people viewing in non-threaded will still see it at the end of the list).
Let's give the thing a few weeks to shake out before declaring it to be crap. It is different, but we will be able to get used to it, I think. At least it is not as bad as the MM side was. Perhaps that is where most of the kudos are coming from.
Don
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48. Re: New Forum Look
Cindy- Apr 6, 2009 6:31 AM (in response to D. McCahill)At least it is not as bad as the MM side was. Perhaps that is where most of the kudos are coming from.
You hit the nail on the head.
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49. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 6, 2009 6:41 AM (in response to D. McCahill)D. McCahill wrote:
Let's give the thing a few weeks to shake out before declaring it to be crap. It is different, but we will be able to get used to it, I think. At least it is not as bad as the MM side was.
agreed.
but i still think it looks like shiete compared to the nice clean professional look we had!
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50. Re: New Forum Look
Cindy- Apr 6, 2009 7:15 AM (in response to dave milbut)but i still think it looks like shiete compared to the nice clean professional look we had!
I agree with you Dave. It is not very pleasant to be here really.
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51. Re: New Forum Look
Buko. Apr 6, 2009 7:30 AM (in response to Cindy-)Its the kindergarten look. lets dumb everything down and have pretty pictures or the pros won't want to come here.
This is the standard ugly forum look. this is why I neve go to the Apple forums much they are ugly and annoying to use much like this one is now.
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52. Re: New Forum Look
Jochem van Dieten Apr 6, 2009 8:34 AM (in response to DorothyK@Adobe)DorothyK@Adobe wrote:
Not gonna be so easy to make the NNTP folks happy, tho. They lost that, and don't think email can replace it.
Sure it can. The reported issues in the email feed just have to be fixed.We are still missing a bunch of headers and email messages get truncated in random places. I am just not so sure that these issues will get fixed because nobody is even confirming the issues with the missing headers exist. The only header issue they seem to be willing to confirm was the issue with their incorrect email server configuration causing large scale blacklisting of the email servers, which was technically not even a header issue.
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53. Re: New Forum Look
Phillip Jones Apr 6, 2009 8:34 AM (in response to Buko.)I don't see anything annoying with the new system other than the unnecessary seraila numbers at the end of email notifications which kills any subject threading in email notifications cause each to tried as a unque subject when they are not. That what killed my participation in Apple forums. Not I only subscribe to questions I ask.
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54. Re: New Forum Look
pkahrel Apr 6, 2009 8:51 AM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)Hi Ramón,
>It took several scripts and Adblock Plus to tame it a bit: force full-width forum page to waste less space, nuke all avatars, kill the utterly useless "More Like This" box, obliterate the "Top Participants" box, delete the "Staus" icon under each poster's name, hide "labels" and "badges", etc.
I came here to moan about the waste of space and the ludicrous type sizes, so I liked the look you get (as shown in the screenshot in a later post). Could you elaborate on how you achieved that?
Thanks,
Peter
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55. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 6, 2009 8:55 AM (in response to Jochem van Dieten)jochemd wrote:
DorothyK@Adobe wrote:
Not gonna be so easy to make the NNTP folks happy, tho. They lost that, and don't think email can replace it.
Sure it can.
no. it can't. email and nntp are different. very very different.
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56. Re: New Forum Look
S.D.A. Apr 6, 2009 9:12 AM (in response to dave milbut)Dave; They're only different in terms of protocol, basically speaking. I use slrn & mutt for nntp and e-mail respectively, but both can read Usenet threaded.
We're dinosaurs though; Most ISPs are shutting down their newservers because the majority of their clients don't use it and the ones that do use the mjority of their resources So it's a trend this days (lsing NNTP access)..
It's a little different here but I can't imagine it's worth the trouble for Adobe to put resources into nntp access for the few users in terms of percentages that use it. E-mail (if adobe can get the subject header cleared up) is just as efficient. Personally I can use mutt which is jsust great as using usenet access as far as I'm concerned.
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57. Re: New Forum Look
David_Powers Apr 6, 2009 9:24 AM (in response to S.D.A.)S.D.A. wrote:
I can't imagine it's worth the trouble for Adobe to put resources into nntp access for the few users in terms of percentages that use it.
The number of users might be relatively small, but in the Dreamweaver forums at least, the contribution of NNTP users was very significant. Most questions came from the web interface, but most answers came from NNTP. Many of the NNTP users have left, saying they won't be back.
I suppose others will eventually fill their places, but it's likely to have a serious effect on the value of the Dreamweaver forums for some time to come.
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58. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 6, 2009 9:49 AM (in response to David_Powers)David_Powers wrote:
I suppose others will eventually fill their places, but it's likely to have a serious effect on the value of the Dreamweaver forums for some time to come.
I suspect it won't just be the dreamweaver forums...
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59. Re: New Forum Look
D Fosse-QDEaQ1 Apr 6, 2009 10:12 AM (in response to dave milbut)I don't know...in PS Win most regulars seem to have made it across the river Styx - even some of those who were most violently opposed.
I still think figuring out a way to get us to the first unread post in a thread should be #1 priority for Forum Ops. I preferred the old forums both visually and functionally, but aside from that major show-stopper I think I can live with this.
I'm not thrilled, but it's what we have. We'll just try to make it work.
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60. Re: New Forum Look
Jochem van Dieten Apr 6, 2009 11:00 AM (in response to dave milbut)Email and NNTP are very, very similar. Similar enough that I already have an email-to-NNTP bridge ready. I am just waiting for the moment that Adobe fixes the bugs in the email system because that will automatically fix the issues in my private NNTP system.
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61. Re: New Forum Look
A. Patterson Apr 6, 2009 12:17 PM (in response to dave milbut)dave milbut wrote:
but i still think it looks like shiete compared to the nice clean professional look we had!
Meh. I hated the old forums quite a bit. I much prefer the look & feel of this new site, though I agree there are bugs to be worked out. I found the forums exceptionally difficult to read and a pain to navigate. I'm already a hell of a lot happier with the way this site works.
The 'More Like This' is something I'd turn off since I'd never use. I believe the question thing is meant to highlight users who provide useful feedback; I suspect the creator of a thread has the option to mark a response as 'answered the question' or 'helpful' and dole out points that way. I'm just guessing though, since I've never created a thread -- I just try to answer questions on the AI SDK forum.
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62. Re: New Forum Look
Kath-H Apr 6, 2009 12:20 PM (in response to A. Patterson)Correct. thread starter gets to dole out points. I'm handing them out at random because I think it's a silly system.
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64. Re: New Forum Look
S.D.A. Apr 6, 2009 1:44 PM (in response to David_Powers)On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:05AM -0600, David Powers wrote: > S.D.A., > >
A new message was posted in the thread "New Forum Look": > >
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1869445#1869445
Author : David Powers >
Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/David_Powers > > Message:
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65. Re: New Forum Look
Eric @ MCA Apr 6, 2009 3:21 PM (in response to Bob_Peters)FWIW, I updated my Stylish thingy for FireFox to point to the right forum domain.
Wide-screen again!
(Er, although I think you were looking for a 10.5 Safari-only solution. Still don't know how to do that yet...)
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66. Re: New Forum Look
S.D.A. Apr 7, 2009 11:23 AM (in response to David_Powers)On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:05AM -0600, David Powers wrote: > S.D.A., > >
A new message was posted in the thread "New Forum Look": > >
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1869445#1869445
Author : David Powers >
Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/David_Powers > > Message:
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67. Re: New Forum Look
Kenneth Benson Apr 7, 2009 5:34 PM (in response to DonRicklin-BKE8wc)I'm one of those NNTP people. I've been reading posts now using Thunderbird, but because of the unique identifier number on the end of every post, nothing threads. Even worse, because of the unique identifier, the "Re" gets considered when sorting alphabetically. So I end up with a long line of posts at the top, every one of them a new post, and a much longer line of replies below that. At least the replies are grouped, although the identifiers aren't assigned in ascending alphanumeric order, so they groups themselves are not ordered.
The result is that I end up reading replies before original posts, or I end up reading all the original posts before I get to the replies. Even so, the web interface is much slower, all that clicking.
Moving the unique identifier into the body of the post would make the email version much more palatable. Does anyone know where the official complaint/suggestion box is?
Kenneth C. Benson
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68. Re: New Forum Look
Bob_Peters Apr 7, 2009 8:13 PM (in response to DonRicklin-BKE8wc)I get REALLY sick and tired of scrolling through countless lines of wasted space and many pages just to browse a thread! The amount of fluff in this new format is appalling. Period.
I have the sinking feeling that we are stuck with this mess.
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69. Re: New Forum Look
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 7, 2009 9:48 PM (in response to D Fosse-QDEaQ1)D Fosse wrote:
…figuring out a way to get us to the first unread post in a thread should be #1 priority for Forum Ops.
That and the breadcrumbs at the bottom of each page.
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70. Re: New Forum Look
dave milbut Apr 7, 2009 9:52 PM (in response to Bob_Peters)Bob_Peters wrote:
I have the sinking feeling that we are stuck with this mess.
you never know. that's what we dreaded last time, and as it became clear that the people who answered the most posts couldn't or wouldn't because of the mess, the webx system was rolled back into place. i guess time will tell. and this forum IS better than the last upgrade try, but not by very much. i know my production is way way down. i've answered maybe 5 or 6 threads in the ps win forum since monday. i would normally be on 20 or 30 by wednesday... it's really REALLY difficult slogging through the slop and the mess and an EFFORT to actually read and reply to posts. if that doesn't change, there's going to be a real problem.
a trend? hmm...
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71. Re: New Forum Look
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 7, 2009 9:54 PM (in response to Kenneth Benson)Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
Does anyone know where the official complaint/suggestion box is?
There isn't one—other than threads like this in this section of the forums.
Draw your own conclusion. Here's mine: our opinion is irrelevant.
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72. Re: New Forum Look
S.D.A. Apr 8, 2009 6:17 AM (in response to David_Powers)On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:05AM -0600, David Powers wrote: > S.D.A., > >
A new message was posted in the thread "New Forum Look": > >
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1869445#1869445
Author : David Powers >
Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/David_Powers > > Message:
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73. Re: New Forum Look
Kath-H Apr 8, 2009 6:20 AM (in response to S.D.A.)Why do you keep posting this?
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74. Re: New Forum Look
Kenneth Benson Apr 8, 2009 2:27 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)Well, if this is it, then here are my other complaints.
1) Posting by email doesn't like certain characters. I posted something today with some underscores in it (____). It got cut off before the underscores. Underscore seems pretty benign. I wonder what else it doesn't like.
2) Posting by email doesn't show me my own posts. (So I didn't know about the underscore thing until I happened to look on the web version.)
3) Posting by email doesn't always post. I posted something earlier this afternoon that never showed up. So I reposted it on the web version.
These three, along with the unique identifier in each email, make the email version pretty difficult to use.
Does anyone know where the post count comes from? I've been posting here for years. I don't know my total number of posts, but it's a whole lot more than 16.
Kenneth Benson
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75. Re: New Forum Look
Kath-H Apr 8, 2009 11:11 PM (in response to S.D.A.)What are you DOING???????
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76. Re: New Forum Look
Phos±four dots Apr 9, 2009 12:23 AM (in response to Kath-H)I think S.D.A. must be using email-only and hasn't looked in with a browser to see how his messages are getting cocked up.
I find it rather humorous, even though it is annoying.
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77. Re: New Forum Look
S.D.A. Apr 9, 2009 10:18 PM (in response to David_Powers)On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:05AM -0600, David Powers wrote: > S.D.A., > >
A new message was posted in the thread "New Forum Look": > >
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1869445#1869445
Author : David Powers >
Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/David_Powers > > Message:
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78. Re: New Forum Look
Phos±four dots Apr 9, 2009 11:42 PM (in response to S.D.A.)<Cheech y Chong>"Bailiff..Whack his pee-pee!"</Cheech y Chong>





