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      • 40. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
        JayJhabrix Community Member

        And, we've already got people playing cops... shades of 1984...

         

        This thread was locked / closed:

         

        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/415234?tstart=0

         

        This thread is the response:

         

        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416527?tstart=0

         

        Policing stinks... who gives who the right to close threads?

         

        Can understand under extreme conditions... but this?

         

        JJ

        • 41. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
          Saskatchewanobie Community Member

          "the only way to persuade Adobe to do so is by using well thought-out arguments."

           

          The old forums, the way they were a week ago, needed no "well thought-out arguments" because they were serving everyone well enough as they were. Now we have problems. I post here, and thankfully am able to get help with questions, but it is now now 'shoot from the hip' 'get in and get out' because it is not possible to keep track of information for more than 24 hours without doing quantum physics to manage threads and keep track of input.

           

          These forums are on the level that works best for teenagers talking about last night's date, not for serious professionals who need in-depth tracking of questions and responses.

           

          Could Adobe understand that logic?

           

          My hope is that these forums will be restored to their better more useable format that we had a week ago and now have lost.

           

          A Cry In The Wilderness,

           

           

          Ken

          • 42. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
            John Waller CommunityMVP

            "These forums are on the level that works best for teenagers talking about last night's date, not for serious professionals who need in-depth tracking of questions and responses."

             

            Well put.

             

            Sadly I don't think any well-thought out arguments here will have any influence on getting NNTP access back.

            • 43. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
              David_Powers CommunityMVP

              I don't think any well-thought out arguments here will have any influence on getting NNTP access back.

              You're right. This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate.

               

              Venting feelings here might let off steam, but no one here has the power to change things.

              • 44. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                John Waller CommunityMVP

                You're right. This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate.

                 

                I've thought about doing so several times but I'm convinced that Adobe is not interested.

                They might tweak the web forums but they won't bring back NNTP.

                 

                So I've decided not to waste my time posting there.

                • 45. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                  David_Powers CommunityMVP

                  So why waste your time posting here? Or is it just letting off steam?

                   

                  Even if Adobe takes no notice of comments in the forum set up specifically for feedback, at least you'll know you tried to make your voice heard, but it was ignored. Whereas complaining here is guaranteed to fall on stony ground.

                  • 46. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                    John Waller CommunityMVP

                    Just finishing what I had to say, however futile.

                     

                    No more to add now

                    • 47. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                      Saskatchewanobie Community Member

                      "This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate."

                       

                      This is good input, but that link gives an error message that says Adobe is tired of getting input and now has deleted that thread.

                       

                      Maybe having a nervous breakdown right here is our only choice.

                       

                      Sigh.

                       

                       

                      I think everyone's frustration here can be illustrated on one point: I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found. I wouldn't bring it up here, but I cannot find that original thread as it now has slipped into oblivion and even a search on keywords I know are in that thread does not bring it up.

                       

                      That just shows me that if a thread is older than a few hours and has not been replied to since last looking at it, you are going to be lucky to ever see it again.

                       

                      Again, This might be a fine forum format for those who post and don't care to go back to old conversations, but for professionals who want to carry on a conversation, it is not working.

                       

                      Bottom Line.

                      • 48. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                        Community Member

                        It truly sucks....

                        • 49. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                          David_Powers CommunityMVP

                          Saskatchewanobie wrote:

                           

                          I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found.

                          In my MacBook Pro, the Extension Manager is listed at the top level of the Applications folder as Extension Manager CS4.

                           

                          The Extension Manager is installed by default if you select the recommended configuration. However, if you decided to do a custom install to get rid of Bridge, Device Central, and other related programs, the Extension Manager will not have been installed.

                          • 50. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                            Saskatchewanobie Community Member

                            That must be my problem. I have done no custom installations but I am working on a PowerBook G4. Maybe I have no option but to go through Dreamweaver. I'll wait to see if you have a comment on this before I do anything.

                             

                            Thank You,

                             

                            Ken

                            • 51. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                              kiusau Community Member

                              David_Powers wrote:

                               

                              Saskatchewanobie wrote:

                               

                              I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found.

                              In my MacBook Pro, the Extension Manager is listed at the top level of the Applications folder as Extension Manager CS4.

                               

                              The Extension Manager is installed by default if you select the recommended configuration. However, if you decided to do a custom install to get rid of Bridge, Device Central, and other related programs, the Extension Manager will not have been installed.

                               

                              What does this exchange have to do with the topic of this discussion.

                               

                              Rather than being part of the problem, David, why do you not become a part of the solution.

                               

                              Roddy

                              • 52. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                JayJhabrix Community Member

                                Hi Saskatchewanobie...

                                 

                                The link works... problem was the closing bracket... here it is again for you :

                                 

                                http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments

                                 

                                Cheers...

                                 

                                JJ

                                • 53. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                  Community Member

                                  Roddy-  why are you butting into outside conversations to act as a Strict Moderator?

                                  You keep saying posts don't belong here or there-  Or further conversation is off-topic.

                                   

                                  In this situation- a person said THEY CAN'T FIND their original post asking for help on a particular problem.

                                   

                                  David replied with a pretty much full solution. One post inside this thread. It did not hijack- it pointed up a problem one user is having here which is the subject that I started this thread with.

                                   

                                  WHY should they be chided to move on or repost or even -shudder- have some Mod erase or move their posts to some different areas where it really will never be found.

                                   

                                  They are reasonable adults acting like helpful reasonable humans.

                                   

                                  Please do the same yourself.

                                  • 54. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                    kiusau Community Member

                                    the real blu wrote:

                                     

                                    WHY should they be chided to move on or repost or even -shudder- have some Mod erase or move their posts to some different areas where it really will never be found.

                                     

                                    They are reasonable adults acting like helpful reasonable humans.

                                     

                                    Firstly, this entire discussion does not belong in this forum.

                                    Secondly, the exchange between David and the user does not belong in this discussion.

                                    Thirdly, as a forum leader David should honor forum protocol.  He is setting a poor example for others to follow.

                                    Fourthly, there is a reasonable alternative called private email to which everyone has access.

                                    Fifthly, I have been informed by at least one monitor that they are already swamped with work and that we should not expect a lot of intervention on their part at this time.

                                     

                                    Finally, it is difficult for me to understand why you have even called me on my intervention here when you have repeatedly taken the liberty to disrupt my post in regard to SVG roundies even after being asked to desist.

                                     

                                    Roddy

                                    • 55. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                      Community Member

                                      IN the SVG roundies thread- someone has ERASED all replies to you.

                                       

                                      I will defend every word i have ever written here and on the adobe or macromedia newsgroup.

                                       

                                      But if I'm in a place that will erase my words-  It is just pointless to type because i cannot defend my words if they don't exist anymore.

                                       

                                      You win because i can't defend myself and present everlasting google groups links that show what a complete *************************** you were. You complained to some overworked forum MOD who is trying to implement this new system that someone hurt your feelings and got them to erase INFORMATION from here.

                                       

                                      Please do a google search for "welcome to the internet" by redpaw.

                                       

                                      You've posted a photo, and I have photoshop. Now where is that goat photo....

                                      • 56. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                        Nadia Perre Community Member

                                        kiusau wrote:

                                         


                                        What does this exchange have to do with the topic of this discussion.

                                         

                                        So why did you earlier ask David about *your* problem in this same thread... give a rest Roddy.  If you can't find the answer to your very pressing <span> </span> problem, it may be time to try and find the solution elsewhere.  This is not necessarily a DW question, it's a css question, so other forums may be able to offer you the help you keep seeking.

                                         

                                         

                                         

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                                        • 57. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                          kiusau Community Member

                                          the real blu wrote:

                                           

                                          You win because i can't defend myself and present everlasting google groups links that show what a complete *************************** you were. You complained to some overworked forum MOD who is trying to implement this new system that someone hurt your feelings and got them to erase INFORMATION from here.

                                          I did not know that the entries were deleted, but if they have been I am glad.  That means that my complain finally made it through.

                                           

                                          In regard to your above remark it is neither about my feelings, nor my interest to win or even engage in a flame war with you; rather, it has to do with accomplishing the business of this forum -- something that you and several others do not appear to be very keen on.

                                           

                                          Roddy

                                          • 58. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                            kiusau Community Member

                                            Nadia Perre wrote:

                                             

                                            So why did you earlier ask David about *your* problem in this same thread... give a rest Roddy.  If you can't find the answer to your very pressing <span> </span> problem, it may be time to try and find the solution elsewhere.  This is not necessarily a DW question, it's a css question, so other forums may be able to offer you the help you keep seeking.

                                             

                                            When the question was asked, it was made in reference to another post, and David was asked to refer to that post when responding.

                                             

                                            You may be right about my finding answers to my questions elsewhere.  I have several alternatives in mind.  Should I remain, however, I do not believe that anyone would refuse to answer a question related to CSS, HTML, and JavaScript -- the three pillars necessary for success with Dreamweaver.

                                             

                                            Roddy

                                            • 59. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                              Community Member

                                              I've been a tiny bit active in providing help for dreamweaver users for a few months.

                                               

                                              Something you do not understand is that a forum does not exist by little piseees pants squealers running to a Mod to complain about someone else's reply to them

                                               

                                              Wondering what words made it through the bot filter and if i should just type Foghat Underground Cloud Klink Year Outside Underground.

                                               

                                              You don't get it, but you have complained so much to the mods that i am "abusing" you

                                               

                                              Stand up- this isn't even a slapfest compared to a real open debate.

                                               

                                              You got my words deleted.

                                               

                                              I am deleting adobe.

                                              • 60. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                Nadia Perre Community Member

                                                kiusau wrote:


                                                 

                                                When the question was asked, it was made in reference to another post, and David was asked to refer to that post when responding.


                                                But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user.  Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

                                                 

                                                  I have several alternatives in mind.  Should I remain, however, I do not believe that anyone would refuse to answer a question related to CSS, HTML, and JavaScript -- the three pillars necessary for success with Dreamweaver.

                                                 

                                                I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them.  How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

                                                 

                                                If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you  :-p

                                                • 61. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                  kiusau Community Member

                                                  But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user.  Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

                                                   

                                                  The question was asked to bring David back to the substance of this forum -- not to pollute a discussion that is already out of place in it.  Llke everyone, David is a  creature of habit.  Unlike everyone, he holds a leadership position in this forum and others and should be made aware of the bad example that he is setting.

                                                   

                                                  Nadia Perre wrote:

                                                   

                                                  I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them.  How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

                                                   

                                                  I believe that you have me confused with someone else, as I first began experimenting with rounded corners only several days ago.  If the response to my questions about their use is any indication of the forum's knowledge in this matter, then I have already made an important contribution with each additional entry to my original post.

                                                   

                                                  Nadia Perre wrote:

                                                   

                                                  If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you  :-p

                                                  I am sorry, but the expression :-p is not part of my technical vocabulary.

                                                   

                                                  Roddy

                                                  • 62. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                    David_Powers CommunityMVP

                                                    Saskatchewanobie wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I have done no custom installations but I am working on a PowerBook G4.

                                                    Dreamweaver CS4 is not supported on a PowerBook G4. If you're referring to CS3, however, the Extension Manager should also be in your Applications folder. If you're still having problems, I suggest you start a separate thread.

                                                    • 63. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                      David_Powers CommunityMVP

                                                      kiusau wrote:


                                                      Llke everyone, David is a  creature of habit.  Unlike everyone, he holds a leadership position in this forum and others and should be made aware of the bad example that he is setting.

                                                      I'll let others decide whether I'm setting a good or bad example.

                                                       

                                                      In the meantime, I recommend that you (and everyone else) read the Forum Etiquette and Best Practices.

                                                      • 64. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                        JayJhabrix Community Member

                                                        Interesting....

                                                         

                                                        The question has been marked as answered.... and the winner is none other than our own, dear kiusua aka 'hot rod' roddy!

                                                         

                                                        Can we all please give him a round of applause? Well done roddy, we're all proud of you... You truly are a shining example! A beacon, as it were, for all of us.

                                                         

                                                        And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

                                                        • 65. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                          supergran 123

                                                          I tried - crashed 3 times and gave up

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Subject: New message: "Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?"

                                                           

                                                          supergran 123,

                                                           

                                                          A new message was posted in the thread "Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?":

                                                           

                                                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/1878507#1878507

                                                           

                                                          Author  : John Waller

                                                          Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/John%20Waller

                                                           

                                                          Message:

                                                          • 66. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                            Community Member

                                                            He got a post of mine ERASED in the SVG roundies thread. When i pointed it out here and complained loudly but i think politely that people were erasing what i type- THAT thread was erased.

                                                             

                                                            really. Who is the large thumbed moderator?

                                                            • 67. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                              Community Member

                                                              correction- my post in this thread wasn't deleted, i simply couldn't find it.

                                                              Still don't know or care if my post about having the word "milk pail" synonym gets filtered to asterisks because it has the letters uuhh and ccc then kay in sequence still exists. Side note on that issue- any forum app that tries to use a bad words filter will just cause people to get creative.

                                                              • 68. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                kiusau Community Member

                                                                jhabrix wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

                                                                 

                                                                Is there is something that could be called "misleading pink", then it would be this:

                                                                I'll let others decide whether I'm setting a good or bad example.

                                                                In the meantime, I recommend that you (and everyone else) read the Forum Etiquette and Best Practices.

                                                                 

                                                                Roddy

                                                                • 69. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                  Saskatchewanobie Community Member

                                                                  These forums have many on edge. Even the folks at Adobe have probably gotten the idea.

                                                                   

                                                                  I feel anything more I could contribute to this discussion would be unproductive at this point.

                                                                   

                                                                  Thanks David for your undieing willingness to help others with issues you understand so well.

                                                                   

                                                                  How often can one have the help of the actual author of a book? Since the answer to that is "almost never" I think we should all be grateful or be quiet.

                                                                   

                                                                  IMHO,

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Ken

                                                                  • 71. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                    Ken Binney-GnPIX3 Community Member

                                                                    100% agreement Ken, and deepest gratitude to all the other old guard experts who make my life work.

                                                                    • 72. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                      Dan.Smith Community Member

                                                                      Wait...David wrote the Bible?!?!

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      • 73. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                        Saskatchewanobie Community Member

                                                                        "Wait...David wrote the Bible?!?!"

                                                                         

                                                                        On the subject we are most interested in here, Yes!

                                                                        • 74. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                          Community Member

                                                                          First of it's powered by Jive Software, that's a plus and the layout is simply amazing. Overall I believe they've done a great job.

                                                                          I visited the forum many times in the and I never felt compelled to write a post, but now here I am. Good job guys.

                                                                          • 75. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                            Saskatchewanobie Community Member

                                                                            Your first post! Now we're going to take you out back of the forums to initiate you...

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            (welcome)

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            :  )

                                                                            • 76. Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                              kiusau Community Member

                                                                              Saskatchewanobie wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              Your first post! Now we're going to take you out back of the forums to initiate you...

                                                                               

                                                                              Not on my watch, Saskatchewanobie.

                                                                               

                                                                              Roddy

                                                                              • 77. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                                Community Member

                                                                                I love the new forums! Thank you Adobe for giving me one place to get help.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I used to have to go to two different places - no more! I use Dreamweaver and other tools in the suite - like photoshop so it's better for me to stay in once place instead of bouncing back and forth.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Better searching, plus tons of new features.

                                                                                 

                                                                                NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that - I have rss and email working fine.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I created a rule so all the emails go to one place - not a big deal

                                                                                • 78. Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?
                                                                                  John Waller CommunityMVP

                                                                                  "NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that"

                                                                                   

                                                                                  What gives you that idea? Plenty of good support forums offer NNTP access. RSS and email is no substitute for NNTP.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  You have clearly never used newsgroups properly with their unparalleled advantages of SPEED, efficiency of navigation and screen layout (so much quicker and easier to read), threads (so conversations between individuals are obvious on screen-the threaded view on this forum is nothing like NNTP threads), filtering ("view all replies to my messages") etc.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  PS: you're entitled to your opinion about the forums of course. Just don't dismiss NNTP as outdated technology. It's been around for a long time but it's still in widespread use for support forums because it works - excellently - and is a perfect platform for quickly sharing information and ideas.

                                                                                  • 79. Chill Pill Necessary!
                                                                                    juanfordroad Community Member

                                                                                    WOW!  What a gang of intellectuals with not much to say other than: "Git outta here kid, ya bother me!"  I've been on many a forum thread with various questions but this one takes the cake.  Granted, I haven't used the 'old' system since I'm new to DW and really need help in all areas.  But reading the rants and raves of you 'learned folks' about what is Nirvana and what isn't is just way over the top of what this thing is all about; helping us dummies to understand how to use a very complicated piece of software.  I harken back to some remote episode of Star Trek where the aliens were so far above everyone that they no longer needed to be physical beings.  Kinda like 'Gods' of the universe.  If that's what you 'learned folks' think you are, then I have 3 words for you: "Get over yourselves!".  Last time I checked, forums such as these were designed to 'help' numbskulls like me with problems rather than postulating their importance to the world.  From what I see, the design of this 'new' style seems to be OK and, once I am able to formulate an intelligent question on my DW dilemmas, I'll look here, as well as the 'Cow' for answers.  Y'all need to take a step back and re-read what going on here.  Not about helping others but boasting about who's got the biggest ego! [ IMHO ]

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Have a great evening!

                                                                                     

                                                                                    (Sorry but I'm not smart enough to find the spelllll checker)