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    Usability tweaks

    xbytor2 Community Member

      Is there a thread anywhere that contains usability tweaks for the new forum UI?

       

      I've seen this Stylish flex-width tweak http://forums.adobe.com/thread/414809#1870916

      and Ramón has mentioned liberal use of AdBlock Plus to remove clutter and whitespace.

       

      Is there anything else that would help?

        • 1. Re: Usability tweaks
          Eric @ MCA Community Member

          Well, I may try and learn GreaseMonkey this week. I'd like to make the actions column capable of disappearing until you actually needed it.

           

          Also, maybe replicate the bread crumbs an the "Up to Discussions ..." to the bottom of the page.

           

          I have no idea how easy/hard that is though. One reason I like Stylish is that it was a piece of cake by comparison to what a GM script looks like!

          • 2. Re: Usability tweaks
            S.D.A. Community Member

            I would take it easy on using scripts. It only takes one badly written one to impair the perfomrance of the forums, and you just might forget you're  using a script if/when that heppens. <shrug> YMMV

            • 3. Re: Usability tweaks
              Eric @ MCA Community Member

              GreaseMonkey script to allow Show/Hide of ACTIONS sidebar is up!

               

              Instructions

              1. Download & install GreaseMonkey if you haven't done so already.
              2. Get the script from userscripts.org. (Click the Install button once you're there.)
              3. That's it, you should now see a little bit of text over the Actions Sidebar that says "Show|Hide ACTIONS". Click as desired.

               

              Caveats

              • It only works with FF3.
              • You have to install GreaseMonkey to use it.
              • You can enable/disable it using the little monkey icon in the bottom right corner of the window.
              • It does remember your current state, but on some pages it can take a while to activate (it runs only after the page is fully loaded, alas.)

               

              Hope this helps others,

              Eric. (aka heavyboots)

              • 5. Re: Usability tweaks
                xbytor2 Community Member

                Thanks for these, Eric. It's helping to make life without NNTP a bit more bearable.

                 

                -X

                • 6. Re: Usability tweaks
                  Phos±four dots Community Member

                  BLOODY EFFIN' BEE-YOO-TEE-FOOL work on the GreaseMonkey script, Eric.

                   

                  (BTW, folks...you'll have to restart Firefox after you install that script for it to work.)

                   

                  Off to grab the answer bar hack.

                   

                  Thanks 10 skidillion, mate!

                   

                   

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                  • 7. Re: Usability tweaks
                    Bob_Peters Community Member

                    I'm all for usability tweaks.  The problem with them is they tend to be VERY browser-centric.

                     

                    It's the Jive Geniuses that need to fix what I still consider a space-wasting monstrosity.

                    • 8. Re: Usability tweaks
                      Eric @ MCA Community Member

                      And yet another one to take the first topic head from 20pt to 12pt...

                       

                      Actually, it's probably easiest to just post a link to my user page.

                       

                      All the Stylish hacks can be found here:

                      http://userstyles.org/users/21328

                       

                      I'm posting one fix per script so people can pick and choose what they want and what they don't. Let me know if it gets too annoying and I can make a combined one.

                      • 9. Re: Usability tweaks
                        Phos±four dots Community Member

                        OOPS! An apology and a correction:  I stated above that Firefox users will have to restart their browsers to have Eric's GreaseMonkey scripts fully take effect.  I was wrong. The scripts Eric has written work right away. I was basing my statement on limited experience I'd had with a couple other scripts awhile back that DID require a quit & relaunch to work.  And sorry, I don't have a clue why there would be a difference in behaviors.

                        • 10. Re: Usability tweaks
                          Eric @ MCA Community Member

                          Updated Show|Hide ACTIONS sidebar to v1.01 with some prettification tweaks.

                           

                          - Dynamically change text to say Show ACTIONS or Hide ACTIONS depending on current state.

                          - Stole paginations style from Jive next/prev so I can have left & right arrows (ie, <-Show or Hide->).

                           

                          Have a nice weekend, folks!

                          • 11. Re: Usability tweaks
                            Eric @ MCA Community Member

                            FYI everyone,

                             

                            New Stylish style to expand the "Where" selection list area in the "More Options" of Search.

                             

                            http://userstyles.org/styles/17180

                             

                            This one is courtesy of Mark A Boyd. I'm just hosting it for him.

                             

                            Thanks, Mark!

                            • 12. Re: Usability tweaks
                              Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                              Thank you both, Eric and Mark.  

                              • 13. Re: Usability tweaks
                                Mark A. Boyd Community Member

                                Thanks Eric & you're welcome, Ramón

                                 

                                I thought about creating an account and uploading my versions, but decided it would be easier for all if they're all in one place. And gool ole heavyboots already has a good collection going

                                • 14. Re: Usability tweaks
                                  Zeno Bokor CommunityMVP

                                  thanks a bunch, i really hated that dinky box

                                  • 15. Re: Usability tweaks
                                    greenjumpyone Community Member

                                    I've not tried the tweaks, and I think it's great that you guys are working on them, BUT ...

                                     

                                    why do we users have to go through so much just to *use* this forum?

                                     

                                     

                                    • 16. Re: Usability tweaks
                                      xbytor2 Community Member

                                      why do we users have to go through so much just to *use* this forum?

                                       

                                      If Adobe had kept an NNTP interface, I wouldn't need any tweaks because I wouldn't be using the web UI. Since they have chosen this web UI (Jive) and not enabled its NNTP gateway (for whatever reason) I am stuck with this interface and will try to do my best to make it as efficient as possible. The tweaks that people have been posting here are very much appreciated and have improved things markedly.

                                       

                                      As a side note, RSS drops a lot of stuff. Email notifications appear to work better, but I'm still only watching a third of forums that I was before.

                                       

                                      -X

                                      • 17. Re: Usability tweaks
                                        Eric @ MCA Community Member

                                        Well, I totally agree that the situation is not optimum!

                                         

                                        But when they went through the beta and relaunch with almost the exact same design elements (plus some feedback during the beta indicating the designers were against full-width browsing), my spidey sense started tingling and I realized it could be a looooong time before the Official Fix got released by Adobe.

                                         

                                        Since it is nigh on impossible to read code crushed into the tiny fixed width + I had some time + I wanted to learn GreaseMonkey + I had just been doing CSS for a couple weeks so it was fresh in my head, I carpe'd some diem and wrote what I did. And others have joined in too, so now we've got quite the little collection going.

                                         

                                        But you're right, this behavior is more in line with constructing a camp site out of bits of wreckage while you wait for rescue than the smooth sailing we were all hoping for.

                                        • 18. Re: Usability tweaks
                                          Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                                          Thank you once again, Eric.

                                           

                                          This looks so much better now:

                                           

                                          Adobe-Forums_Forum_Comments_threadindex.jpg

                                           

                                          and

                                           

                                          Adobe-Forums_mmsg_thread.jpg

                                          • 19. Re: Usability tweaks
                                            Mark A. Boyd Community Member

                                            Eric @ MCA posted another Stylish for me. This one expands the Private Message text editor to 300px height instead of the tiny 116px.

                                             

                                            http://userstyles.org/styles/17577

                                             

                                            I know many of you prefer a smaller editor here in the forums, but I found the PM version too small. (I don't really want to mess with the regular editor since they're supposedly working on getting the "sticky" feature to stick.)

                                             

                                            [Edit]

                                            Just a friendly reminder to to turn off all of these tweaks before giving feedback on the appearance or performance of the forum.

                                            • 20. Re: Usability tweaks
                                              John Joslin Community Member

                                              Mark A. Boyd wrote:

                                               

                                              Just a friendly reminder to to turn off all of these tweaks before giving feedback on the appearance or performance of the forum.

                                               

                                              Tweaks? What tweaks?

                                              • 21. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                D. McCahill Community Member

                                                Not sure about tweaks, but this post is about usability.

                                                 

                                                What moron decided that the little X to close an attachement should go in the upper left corner, when every other Windows application puts it into upper right? Is that a Mac thing?

                                                • 22. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                  Bob_Peters Community Member

                                                  D. McCahill wrote:

                                                  Is that a Mac thing?

                                                   

                                                  No.

                                                  • 23. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                    Kath-H Community Member

                                                    D. McCahill wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Not sure about tweaks, but this post is about usability.

                                                     

                                                    What moron decided that the little X to close an attachement should go in the upper left corner, when every other Windows application puts it into upper right? Is that a Mac thing?

                                                    We're in a Windows application? That would explain a lot. Positioning the close button top left is one of the few things this forum gets right I'd be very unhappy to see it on the wrong side.

                                                    • 24. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                      John Joslin Community Member

                                                      x.jpg

                                                       

                                                      Can't exactly miss it can you?

                                                      • 25. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                        Kath-H Community Member

                                                        So you're fine with it on the left and you think Don's a big silly billy for making a fuss, is that what you're saying?

                                                         

                                                        @Bob & Don - Yes.

                                                        • 26. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                          Zeno Bokor CommunityMVP

                                                          who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

                                                          • 27. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                            Kath-H Community Member

                                                            Zeno Bokor wrote:

                                                             

                                                            who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

                                                            Agreed.

                                                            • 28. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                              dave milbut Community Member

                                                              Kath-H wrote:

                                                               

                                                              Zeno Bokor wrote:

                                                               

                                                              who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

                                                              Agreed.

                                                              Yahtzee!!!

                                                               

                                                              i mean BINGO!

                                                              • 29. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                Zeno Bokor CommunityMVP

                                                                check out this page: http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/thread/41767

                                                                Can't wait for them to implement this

                                                                • 30. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                  D. McCahill Community Member

                                                                  Zeno Bokor wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  who cares where it is?

                                                                  I care. I started in computers when every application was different, and you had to manually think about how to save, print, edit, copy, etc., with every program. Lotus was different than WordPerfect, and so on, and so on. Sure, it only takes me a half second to move my mouse from the top right, where it instinctively goes to the top left, once I realize I am in a brain-dead piece of software. But multiply that half second by the number of times in a day it happens, and by the number of users, and the time lost becomes sufficient.

                                                                   

                                                                  Apple invented (or popularized, they didn't invent much) the concept of consistent user interfaces, and were making big inroads into Microsoft, causing Gates to move to the Windows platform, which also had a consistent user interface. Which makes me glad, because I don't want to go back to the myriad of different ways to do common tasks.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                    Kath-H Community Member

                                                                    Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                      Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                                                                      Kath-H wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      Yup, about 50-60% of the users and buyers of the applications in the Creative Suites, as a matter of fact.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                        Zeno Bokor CommunityMVP

                                                                        care to give a link to prove that?

                                                                        • 34. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                          Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                                                                          Zeno Bokor wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          care to give a link to prove that?

                                                                           

                                                                          Recent statement by John Nack on his blog*, and Microsoft's own numbers.

                                                                           

                                                                          *[Hang on: no one talked about the Mac representing 1/10th of Adobe's business. Last time I checked, Creative Suite sales were roughly 50/50 Mac/Win. … --J.]      —March 4, 2009.

                                                                           

                                                                          http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/02/optional_plugin.html

                                                                          • 35. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                            Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                                                                            Zeno Bokor wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            care to give a link to prove that?

                                                                             

                                                                            Care to be a little less confrontational and more civil in your attitude, Mr. Bush?

                                                                             

                                                                            Geeze…  you're probably the one forum user that I would most frequently punch in the nose if you were within arm's reach.    Maybe it's just the translation of Bokor = Bush in Hungarian.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                              Eric @ MCA Community Member

                                                                              Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              Kath-H wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

                                                                               

                                                                               

                                                                              Yup, about 50-60% of the users and buyers of the applications in the Creative Suites, as a matter of fact.

                                                                              Totally OT to this thread, but if this is true then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).

                                                                               

                                                                              I predict no attempt will ever be made to fix Don's issue because it's too much of a pain for the web designer to try and figure out what OS you are on and spawn a different close box position based on that.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                                Ramón G Castañeda Community Member

                                                                                Eric @ MCA wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).

                                                                                 

                                                                                We complained until we were blue in the face during the public and not-so-public beta testing periods, but were met with arrogant replies from the Photoshop Senior Photoshop Program Manager to the effect that

                                                                                "this has nothing to do with Mac or Windows, it's about the Photoshop interface.  It's Photoshop, period."

                                                                                 

                                                                                • 38. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                                  Eric @ MCA Community Member

                                                                                  I didn't make it into the ID/PS/AI testing until something like 5 days before CS4 testing closed up and went golden master so I don't think I ever managed to get around to bug reporting that one...

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Usability tweaks
                                                                                    Kath-H Community Member

                                                                                    it's too much of a pain for the web designer to try and figure out what OS you are on and spawn a different close box position based on that.

                                                                                    Which is why it never occurred to me to complain that some of the Close buttons are on the right (after inserting an image via the camera icon, for instance). When sharing a space with people using a different OS you just have to get used to stuff like that, it's no big deal.

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