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1. Re: Post your page loading times
Jesseham-JAh5zI Apr 14, 2009 11:32 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)Wow. Nothing that bad here. I'm at work - I don't know what the actual connection is, but it's slower than my comcast cable at home. It's definitely slower than the old forum, but not 30 seconds slow. More like 8 (just counting in my head) for an index and 2-3 for a thread.
Stock install of Safari 4 beta, osx10.4, dual 2.7g5
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2. Re: Post your page loading times
Zeno Bokor Apr 14, 2009 11:34 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)from Romania with a so called 5Mb/s connection i load about any page around here in about 4-5 seconds including main forum pages, this page, the home page, etc so i'd say there's something wrong on your end
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3. Re: Post your page loading times
Bob_Peters Apr 14, 2009 12:02 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)My load times are all over the map just like with the WebCrossing forums.
I'm on a very fast Comcast cable system (20 mega-bit/sec burst rates!).
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4. Re: Post your page loading times
Eric @ MCA Apr 14, 2009 12:16 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)Well, speedtest.net says this cable connection is 17Mbps down and 7.7 up, which is pretty fast. And a 32 response thread loads in about 5-6 seconds.
But web page "load times" are pretty hard to compare from computer to computer. There are just so many variables...
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5. Re: Post your page loading times
Claudio González Apr 14, 2009 12:56 PM (in response to Eric @ MCA)It is difficult to compare, I agree. I use a cable connection and have just measured around 5000 kbps download speeds with PC Pitstop. I use an old and slow Mac with Firefox 2 and a new and fast Vista laptop with Explorer and find no noticeable differences in downloading these pages between the two machines.
Download times I get in either computer for the Forum Comments main page are typically between 10 and 15 seconds; and some times much slower, but never much faster. And I think this can be compared with the well less than one second normal download time of any page in the forums I had on both machines before the earthquake. And with the less than one second with my laptop on a much slower DSL connection.
I think nobody can say I am exagerating if I say that download times for these forums have increased noticeably. At least for me.
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6. Re: Post your page loading times
try67 Apr 14, 2009 1:27 PM (in response to Claudio González)Even something simple as placing a link in a message takes way too much time. Compare it to Gmail (yes, I know, different technologies and what not), where it happens the very moment you click on it...
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7. Re: Post your page loading times
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)In the WebX forums, when they were functioning at their best, going from one thread to another one or replying to a post was as fast as changing channels on cable TV with a remote. Never more than a fraction of a second.
Here, it's always more like when the WebX were experiencing slow-downs, before someone gave the servers a smart kick in the side. At least a few seconds to load a page, and replying seems to take forever, as does editing a post.
To the actual delays, you have to add the time wasted going back to the top of a page because of the lack of breadcrumbs at the bottom, time wasted navigating to the last-read post in a thread, the slow typing in the reply box, etc.
I stand by my educated-guess determination that these new forums are about 30 times slower overall:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/417383?tstart=60
After four [now nine] days of using the new Jive forums, I've come to the conclusion that I have dedicated about three times the usual amount of time to the Adobe forums and have accomplished less than one tenth of what I used to do in a similar amount of time.
This works out to a ratio of 30 to 1 in terms of how much better the old forum format performed in comparison to what we've ended up with here so far.
I'm basing this calculation on the number of hours spent here since last Sunday versus the few satisfying threads I have been able to read as well as the remarkably little assistance I've been able to give.
These results are naturally somewhat skewed by such things as the proportionally inordinate amount of time spent in the Forum Comments forum as well as reading and commenting on forum complaints on the other forums I've visited, to wit: Photoshop Macintosh, Bridge Macintosh, Camera Raw, DNG, Color Management, Photography, Typography, Type, Illustrator, InDesign and this Forum Comments forums.
While this is a conclusion based on my subjective use of the forums and will necessarily be different than what other users experience, it does give me a somewhat quantifiable measure of the magnitude of the problem as it affects me personally.
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8. Re: Post your page loading times
S.D.A. Apr 15, 2009 6:25 AM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)My $.02 CDN cents.
I think you guys are blowing smoke out yer arses. I have noticed no real difference in speed between either forums; Although I have to say that the webx forums would stall more so than JIVE ever has so far. We can expect glitches while the team irons out the kinks of course -- It's the same with any new large scale software roll out !
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9. Re: Post your page loading times
dave milbut Apr 15, 2009 8:06 AM (in response to S.D.A.)S.D.A. wrote:
It's the same with any new large scale software roll out !
sorry, i've been involved in some large scale rollouts and if i rolled out software this borked i'd be looking for a job as soon as the rollback was finished...
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10. Re: Post your page loading times
Zeno Bokor Apr 15, 2009 8:14 AM (in response to dave milbut)i don't know about that, last "big" web software that i've tried out on day1 was Quake Live. On the first week of the open beta (so not even the full version) there was a queue in place to help against overloading the servers. It took about 3-4 hours of waiting in line just to log in and it would log you out after about half an hour of inactivity, fun times Without the queue i'm sure the servers would have melted from the load
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11. Re: Post your page loading times
Rob Keijzer Apr 15, 2009 8:58 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)In Amsterdam, Netherlands on a typical 20 Mbit/s DSL (measuring at 12 Mbit/s) it's usually in at 5 seconds.
Rob
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12. Re: Post your page loading times
Per Berntsen Apr 15, 2009 10:36 AM (in response to Rob Keijzer)3 - 5 seconds on a 2 Mbit line in Norway.
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13. Re: Post your page loading times
Chris Cox Apr 15, 2009 10:53 AM (in response to Per Berntsen)*When it worked correctly* webx was faster. But it would drop page requests about 1/20 attemps, or hang for a few minutes with the same frequency. It was kinda broken under the load.
Jive has been more stable, but slower (2 to 5 seconds to load a topic typically, up to 30 seconds if you do a page reload).
But, I don't think they've finished tuning the server setup yet, or the style sheets.
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14. Re: Post your page loading times
Kath-H Apr 15, 2009 10:55 AM (in response to Chris Cox)Some progress reports from the horse's mouth would be encouraging.
(Sorry Chris - not a dig at you, I meant 'as well' )
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15. Re: Post your page loading times
Tom Murray 1 Apr 15, 2009 12:44 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)1 - 2 seconds. Comcast.
I often found the old forum slow to load.
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16. Re: Post your page loading times
Phillip Jones Apr 15, 2009 3:31 PM (in response to Tom Murray 1)I've had to log in three time today . In days past on new system started day and a half, then a Day, now its three times.
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17. Re: Post your page loading times
Buko. Apr 16, 2009 12:11 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)I was having 2, 3 second load times until today. now its wait forever. wait to login. wait to post. wait to go to a new forum.
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18. Re: Post your page loading times
Zeno Bokor Apr 16, 2009 12:12 PM (in response to Buko.)same here, i hope that it's a good sign, they're too busy updating stuff behind the scenes to keep the forums running smoothly. Yes, i know, i'm in denial
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19. Re: Post your page loading times
Buko. Apr 16, 2009 1:00 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)I hope its a good sign we're on our way back to the webX forums.
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20. Re: Post your page loading times
Bob_Peters Apr 16, 2009 1:02 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)Good grief! The access times today are HORRIBLE!
Is there any evidence that anything is going to get fixed? And when?
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21. Re: Post your page loading times
Chris Cox Apr 16, 2009 9:46 PM (in response to Buko.)We can't go back to Webx, for many reasons.
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22. Re: Post your page loading times
John Joslin Apr 17, 2009 12:27 AM (in response to Chris Cox)Chris Cox wrote:
We can't go back to Webx, for many reasons.
Tell dave – he keeps dreaming!
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23. Re: Post your page loading times
D. McCahill Apr 17, 2009 5:55 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)Re: Post your page loading times
How does four hours sound? I tried logging in at 8 am yesterday, and finally got in after noon. Sometimes I could get to the menu page, and sometimes to the evil ColdFusion login tool. But I never actually got to a forum where I could post. I was ready to swear off the forums entirely when I finally was on, and then was told I had to sign in again between posting one message and reading the next.
But gee, aren't them colors purty.
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24. Re: Post your page loading times
Bob_Peters Apr 17, 2009 6:01 AM (in response to Chris Cox)Chris Cox wrote:
We can't go back to Webx, for many reasons.
OK. If that's the way it is then that's the way it is.
What concerns me is the total lack of evidence that we are moving FORWARD. That is, there is no visible sign that anything is being changed.
This forum software is simply not ready for prime time. Too many things that were present with Webx are now gone.
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25. Re: Post your page loading times
John Joslin Apr 17, 2009 8:23 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)Every day, about this time, things slow down to even more of a crawl than usual.
I just noticed that the time stamp I see is local not 8.22 PST
Message was edited by: John Joslin
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27. Re: Post your page loading times
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 17, 2009 11:13 AM (in response to Phos±four dots)About two minutes to get in this time, but then I was still logged in.
I can in good conscience say that this POS forum is the worst performing one I have ever visited.
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28. Re: Post your page loading times
S.D.A. Apr 17, 2009 4:21 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)Ramón G Castañeda wrote:
About two minutes to get in this time, but then I was still logged in.
I can in good conscience say that this POS forum is the worst performing one I have ever visited.
What OS and browser are you using ?
The people with slow loading times should post relevant information so we can see if there is a pattern. It would be interesting to kinow ISP as well because all or either of the foregoing can/may be the issue(s) causing the problem. I personally have quite fast load times on any of the 'puters I've used via the web.
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29. Re: Post your page loading times
Bob_Peters Apr 17, 2009 4:25 PM (in response to S.D.A.)OK. Here is some information.
MacPro (OS X, 10.5.6)
Safari(3.2.1)
Comcast Cable modem
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30. Re: Post your page loading times
Phos±four dots Apr 17, 2009 4:34 PM (in response to S.D.A.)S.D.A. wrote:
The people with slow loading times should post relevant information so we can see if there is a pattern. It would be interesting to kinow ISP as well because all or either of the foregoing can/may be the issue(s) causing the problem.
I think in many cases, hardware specs, OS & version, connection, browser type & version can be removed from the equation.
For me—and I suspect most visitors here—everything else has remained the same, except that this is a different forum platform.
On most days for me, WebX would load just about any page in under 2 seconds.
I haven't come anywhere close to that with this Jive-arse Scheiß.
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31. Re: Post your page loading times
Bob_Peters Apr 17, 2009 4:47 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)Phos±four dots wrote:
I haven't come anywhere close to that with this Jive-arse Scheiß.
Oh, you naughty boy
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32. Re: Post your page loading times
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 17, 2009 4:50 PM (in response to S.D.A.)S.D.A. wrote:
What OS and browser are you using ?
Not relevant. It does not depend on the browser, the machine or the OS.
Sometimes a page will load in three to five seconds, sometimes it takes two or more minutes. On the same machine and in the same browser, the rest of the web is instantaneous, including other forums where going from one page to another one, or even from one forum to another one, is as fast as changing TV channels with the remote, i.e. instantaneous. There's no way to measure such a tiny fraction of a second accurately.
The fastest browser is iCab 4.5, with Firefox 3.0.8 a relatively close second.
On the former forums on WebX, when it was working optimally, going from one page to another one or from the Photoshop forum to the Typography forum, also was like changing TV channels with the remote, i.e. instantaneous.
The overall experience here, including the un-usability issues, is poorer by a factor of 30:1, as I've said before. I'm spending three times as long here as I used to in the WebX forum and I'm only able to read and reply to about one tenth the number of posts. Ergo 30:1. I call that p¡ss-poor performance.
Pathetic, just pathetic.
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33. Re: Post your page loading times
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 17, 2009 4:56 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)As if purposefully to add insult to injury, this gosh-darned POS forum logged me out as I was trying to post the original version of my earlier post after I had spent considerably time composing and formatting it, and it made me lose everything when I logged back in!
D@mn you, Jive Software and Adobe, just d@mn you!
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34. Re: Post your page loading times
Ramón G Castañeda Apr 17, 2009 5:17 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)As Scott Falkner said in a different thread:
I will have to think long and hard before I fork over one more nickel to these idiots.
D@mn you, Jive Software and Adobe, just d@mn you!
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35. Re: Post your page loading times
Phillip Jones Apr 17, 2009 7:56 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)Here are some of my specs:
Mac PowerBook 17" with 1.67GB Processor and 2 GB System RAM. 120GB Hard Drive. Connection:DCL-DSL syncronous connection 1 MB up/dowload
ISP: Kimbanet
Experiences:
Typically loads within 2 seconds or less.
On occassion sometimes a page will sit like its looking up location for as long as 10-15 seconds.
No rhyme or reason as when this happens could be morning, middle of day or night.
After this though pages load in 2 second range or less.
Login first week in operation Login every 36 hrs. Then every 24 Hrs.
Login now anywhere from 8 to 12 hrs.
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36. Re: Post your page loading times
John Mensinger Apr 17, 2009 8:49 PM (in response to Phos±four dots)Firefox 3.0.8 in Windows XP Pro
With (nearly?) identical configurations at work and home.
At home on DSL: all loading times acceptable; no problems.
At work on LAN/T1: Everything works acceptably until I attempt a reply. After clicking a reply link, I wait 40 sec. to 2 minutes for the post editor to load, and when/if it does, the live user entry area is absent. In other words, the boxed area in which I have a live insertion point for typing like I am now, (at home), simply isn't there. I can't post a reply. Bizarre. Like this:
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37. Re: Post your page loading times
dave milbut Apr 17, 2009 10:59 PM (in response to John Mensinger)Bizarre. Like this:
I see that often too. usually a page reload, or go back and forward a few times clears it up. sometimes i just give up. sad.
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38. Re: Post your page loading times
John Joslin Apr 17, 2009 11:38 PM (in response to dave milbut)Good old Adobe — always at the forefront of technology and at the arse end of support!
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39. Re: Post your page loading times
Mark A. Boyd Apr 18, 2009 10:35 AM (in response to John Mensinger)John Mensinger wrote:
Firefox 3.0.8 in Windows XP Pro
At work on LAN/T1: Everything works acceptably until I attempt a reply. After clicking a reply link, I wait 40 sec. to 2 minutes for the post editor to load, and when/if it does, the live user entry area is absent. In other words, the boxed area in which I have a live insertion point for typing like I am now, (at home), simply isn't there. I can't post a reply.
This exactly the behavior I see when JavaScript is turned of in my browser. Check to see if JavaScript is off in your browser at work.
Tools->Options->Content Tab. Enable JavaScript
Of course, if your IT doesn't allow JS, then you're out of luck on any site that requires JS to function.








