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1. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Newsgroup_User Oct 17, 2008 8:14 PM (in response to Cindy-)Are you aware that the CS4 PI now has two separate states or modes
(HTML/CSS) switchable via toggle buttons?
http://www.ehow.com/how_4529494_dreamweaver-cs-htmlcss-properties-toggle.html
I suspect you're in CSS mode and you need HTML mode.
I think this will confuse many people and I'm not in favour of this change.
I'd prefer that HTML and CSS were side-by-side and always visible in the PI
on my widescreen monitor.
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John Waller
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2. CS4 no Background Image for cells
Cindy- Oct 17, 2008 8:40 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Actually, I was in html mode. I did figure out how to make it happen using CSS but I am not real happy with the absence of the html option. I think it should have been left alone. -
3. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Newsgroup_User Oct 17, 2008 9:25 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)Yes, my mistake.
It's not there any more because I believe that Adobe is guiding users to use
CSS for background images for cells.
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John Waller
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4. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Cindy- Oct 17, 2008 9:38 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)quote:
Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
It's not there any more because I believe that Adobe is guiding users to use
CSS for background images for cells.
I believe you are right...but that annoys me because maybe I don't want to be guided into using CSS. SHouldn't it be up to us how we want to use html/CSS?
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5. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
poirot Oct 17, 2008 9:51 PM (in response to Cindy-)How about right clicking in the cell > select "edit tag td, choose browser specific and there you should see background image.
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6. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Newsgroup_User Oct 18, 2008 12:03 AM (in response to Newsgroup_User)CSS formatting is best practice these days and Dreamweaver needs to serve
the web design community who have pushed long and hard for DW to encourage
CSS formatting rather than outdated HTML formatting, esp via the tools in
the DW UI.
Once you become familiar with DW's CSS tools, you may find better yourself
better able to leverage the power of CSS and never want to go back to HTML
formatting.
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John Waller
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7. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Newsgroup_User Oct 18, 2008 1:27 AM (in response to Cindy-)On 17 Oct 2008 in macromedia.dreamweaver, John Waller wrote:
> I think this will confuse many people and I'm not in favour of this
> change. I'd prefer that HTML and CSS were side-by-side and always
> visible in the PI on my widescreen monitor.
Has the production version changed so that either a) you can set which
one comes up by default, or b) the last one you used is sticky? In the
public beta, CSS always came up, and that drove me nuts, because I rarely
use the CSS property inspector, whereas I use HTML all the time.
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8. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Cindy- Oct 18, 2008 7:11 AM (in response to poirot)quote:
How about right clicking in the cell > select "edit tag td, choose browser specific and there you should see background image.
That works, thanks.
I think whether I like it or not I am going to have to do more CSS although in some respects I find html cleaner. I have been using CSS fonts for years but I have not built my tables and rollovers that way. -
9. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Newsgroup_User Oct 18, 2008 8:05 AM (in response to poirot)cindy1074 wrote:
> I think whether I like it or not I am going to have to do more CSS although in
> some respects I find html cleaner.
CSS takes a lot of getting used to, but once you overcome the mental
barrier of defining your styles in a different place, you'll wonder why
you didn't make the switch sooner. And you'll certainly change your mind
about what's "cleaner".
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10. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Cadillacula May 5, 2009 4:23 PM (in response to Newsgroup_User)CSS formatting is best practice these days and Dreamweaver needs to serve
the web design community who have pushed long and hard for DW to encourage
CSS formatting rather than outdated HTML formatting, esp via the tools in
the DW UI.Respectfully disagree wholeheartedly…
Actually Dreamweaver needs to serve “me”… not the web design community.
Standards are great, and while I won’t get into a Tables vs. Div Tags type of “eye of the beholder” debate… (because trust me with today’s average data transfer speeds I weigh on the side of art and control over efficiency, especially as measured in nanoseconds)… I would say that if DW offers me the ability to insert a background image, which it does via Frenchy ASP’s helpful post (Thank you as well), then as a WYSIWYG application, Dreamweaver should not make me hunt/dig and click that frequently and that deep into a menu tree to get me what I want. The functionality is there… html, css, I don’t really care, give it to me in a click (like I’m used to from DW).
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11. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Nancy O. May 5, 2009 5:52 PM (in response to Cadillacula)Some business owners actually insist up web standards compliant sites now. Adobe didn't improve CS4 to punish product users. They built CS4 to keep pace with the modern web practice of separating style from content so product users could look smarter. If you don't see any clear advantage to this, then don't use DW CS4. Keep using your old 1-click version of DW until browsers quit supporting it.
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12. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Cadillacula May 5, 2009 6:53 PM (in response to Nancy O.)Yawn...
While I respect your individual experience, opinion, intimate knowledge of Adobe business product development decisions and insight on what "some" business owners insist upon... what you describe here never-the-less has fallen no where near my personal professional plate in 13 years. As my post stated, Adobe can choose whatever standards it wishes, they can even support 8-Tracks and Betamax if they wish, as long as they continue to uphold their standards of excellence in making the implementation of said functionality "friendly".
As I hope I clearly described, I just feel they have made some slight oversights to their WYSIWYG GUI with their apparent new direction - and as a user since version 1.0, I will always feel very comfortable expressing my opinions on the forums, and too Adobe directly, as many others have done on this specific subject.
Now... as far as your warm suggestion that I go back to my "old" one click method (CS3 from less than a year ago), no thank you I'm fine. I'll just wait for patches, updates and CS5 for continued improvements to my beloved software. I can clearly recall industry standard and CSS style functionality that used to take a great deal of convoluted digging and clicking to make happen in previous versions that have now made it to the forefront and are now but a mere click away... so I remain calm and confident.
Lastly, while I have never encountered someone in my field who felt bitter towards the idea of "one click" efficiency in a design orientated editor - I will still return the favor by suggesting that if you are so vehemently opposed to doing things in less clicks (and see those who wish to do so as inferior) that you quickly return to your roots and start *hand coding* pages to whatever compliance "some" of "your" business owners are insisting upon.
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13. Re: CS4 no Background Image for cells
Nancy O. May 6, 2009 3:15 PM (in response to Cadillacula)Cadillacula wrote:
Yawn...
Ok. Whatever...
Adobe can choose whatever standards it wishes, they can even support 8-Tracks and Betamax if they wish, as long as they continue to uphold their standards of excellence in making the implementation of said functionality "friendly".
Adobe products have never claimed to be "friendly" except perhaps Elements which is a dumbed down version of Photoshop. Adobe makes awesome pro-level tools. But "friendly" isn't exactly a word I'd pick to describe them because the learning curve can be quite steep; especially for new users.
I just feel they have made some slight oversights to their WYSIWYG GUI with their apparent new direction..
Submit your suggestions to the Feature Request/Bug Report Form where Adobe Techs will see it. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Lastly, while I have never encountered someone in my field who felt bitter towards the idea of "one click" efficiency in a design orientated editor - I will still return the favor by suggesting that if you are so vehemently opposed to doing things in less clicks (and see those who wish to do so as inferior) that you quickly return to your roots and start *hand coding* pages to whatever compliance "some" of "your" business owners are insisting upon.
You still haven't. I am none of those things and I certainly did not mean to imply anyone here is inferior. All I said was "use the tool that fits your workflow." That's not a negative criticism of you or anyone else.
FWIW I work in code view about 60% of the time so I don't rely on Design View as much as some people do. That said, my version of 1-click styling: Use a pre-built or hand-coded stylesheet linked to the HTML document. Apply CSS styles to HTML via the properties pane. Voila! Done! You don't need a new *patch* or update to work efficiently.
Nancy O.
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