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2. Re: Saving Images for Web
Marian Driscoll May 12, 2009 11:25 AM (in response to c.gray)You can use a color managed browser and ask that everyone else that visits your site uses one as well.
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c.gray May 12, 2009 12:01 PM (in response to Marian Driscoll)Thanks! Can you provide a link to info about color managed browsers? Would FIrefox be an example?
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c.gray May 12, 2009 12:08 PM (in response to Marian Driscoll)I just realized that the images appear as they should in Safari, but they look washed out in Firefox and Opera. Interesting!
I want to make sure I'm saving for web correctly:
1. ICC should be checked, right?
2. Should "optimized" be checked?
3. Can I put the quality on 90? Is that too high?
4. Anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks!
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Buko. May 12, 2009 12:13 PM (in response to c.gray)You need to turn color management on in Firefox. Its off by default.
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c.gray May 12, 2009 12:16 PM (in response to Buko.)Is there another way to do that besides installing the color management add-on? Or is that what you are referring to?
Thanks!
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Buko. May 12, 2009 12:23 PM (in response to c.gray)I can't remember how to do it. I don't use firefox that much. Someone will be by and tell you.
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c.gray May 12, 2009 12:25 PM (in response to Buko.)Thanks! What about Save for Web and Devices settings: should "optimized" and "ICC" both be checked?
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Buko. May 12, 2009 12:53 PM (in response to c.gray)Depends what you want.
I save progressive with a profile since CS4
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c.gray May 12, 2009 12:54 PM (in response to Buko.)Can you tell me what Progressive does? Or direct me to a tutorial that explains it?
Thanks!
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Buko. May 12, 2009 3:17 PM (in response to c.gray)It progressively shows the image probably not all that noticeable on a fast connection. But on a dial up connection you see something almost instantly but it looks blurry and progressively gets better and better until its fully downloaded.
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13. Re: Saving Images for Web
Lundberg02 May 12, 2009 4:54 PM (in response to Buko.)In Firefox 3, about:config in the URL locator bar. Find color management and turn it on. FF 2 is not CM.
If you want to try it Opera 10 alpha is color managed. I'll probably give it a shot this week.
Safari has always been CM. It uses ColorSync.
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14. Re: Saving Images for Web
Hartleyb4 May 14, 2009 11:17 AM (in response to c.gray)When you are working with these images in Photoshop go to View and set Proof Setup to Monitor RGB.
This will display the images in Photoshop as they will appear in a browser.
I generally ignore sites that require me to make adjustments in my preferences and think most people would. By making a simple adjustment in how Photoshop displays the images you can take care of the problem.
This is a very bad advice, please ignore this
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c.gray May 14, 2009 9:35 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)Thanks! That made a huge difference.
If I check "optimized" when saving for web, will that make a huge difference in the image quality and download time? I can't see much of a difference in the preview, but I'm wondering how this translates to the web.
Thanks!
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Buko. May 14, 2009 10:06 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)Hartleyb4 wrote:
When you are working with these images in Photoshop go to View and set Proof Setup to Monitor RGB.
This will display the images in Photoshop as they will appear in a browser.
I generally ignore sites that require me to make adjustments in my preferences and think most people would. By making a simple adjustment in how Photoshop displays the images you can take care of the problem.
This is horrible advice. It will only show you how they will look on your monitor thats all. Nobody else on the planet has your monitor profile so you have guaranteed that your images will look like sh!t
What is worse the OP who is also clueless has given an answer star to the bad advice.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:06 AM (in response to Buko.)What profile should it be set at, then?
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Buko. May 14, 2009 10:10 AM (in response to c.gray)convert to sRGB and save with the profile.
When you look at proof colors set it to Windows since most of the world is on windows
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Hartleyb4 May 14, 2009 10:09 AM (in response to Buko.)That is incorrect. It shows how the image looks without a profile. That is how most people will see it because most people don't use color management in their browser.
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Buko. May 14, 2009 10:11 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)No you are incorrect it shows you how it looks with your monitor profile.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:16 AM (in response to Buko.)How do you save with the profile imbedded? And what does "optimized" do? I see no difference when I click this, so I'm wondering how it translates to the web.
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Hartleyb4 May 14, 2009 10:23 AM (in response to Buko.)If you are trying to see the difference between the image you saved and the image you saved for web you can clearly see in many cases huge differences in the side by side windows for the Save for Web dialog. If you want to remove these differences so that you can work the image and Save for Web without asking why does this look so different changing the proof setup is the way to do that.
Should you instead want to waste your time color managing for a medium that does not use color management by all means feel free. If you can get the 100s of millions of people online to get their color management settings adjusted to properly view all your hard work I will applaud you.
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Gyno-jiz May 14, 2009 10:26 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)Wouldn't you proof using Windows color or Mac color, not monitor color? This is a rhetorical question.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:33 AM (in response to Gyno-jiz)Ok, sorry, but now I am just really confused. I did, however, find a resource online that says that "Monitor RGB" pertains to one's own monitor. But that could be wrong. Since you can't ensure that EVERYONE will see your images at optimal color, can yout tell me the safest way to save for web?
And what aobut "optimized" in the save for web dialogue box. What does that mean?
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Hartleyb4 May 14, 2009 10:38 AM (in response to c.gray)Then Windows RGB.
The optimized tab? That shows your just the image as you have it set to be saved. you also have the side by side and the 4 way to see any changes your image may undergo when saving for web.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:39 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)Sorry, I should have been more specific. Not the optimized tag but the little optimized button that appears near ICC, etc. and that you can check and uncheck.
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27. Re: Saving Images for Web
Gyno-jiz May 14, 2009 10:43 AM (in response to c.gray)You want optimized checked, which will use tables optimized for each image, instead of standard ones for encoding. Search for sRGB in the forum search and read some of the posts about this subject. It's posted all the time. Check out gballard's site on color management (http://www.gballard.net/psd.html). The crux is you're using a display with a smaller gamut than sRGB, and you're seeing a desaturation of your colors when your sRGB images are sent unmanaged to YOUR display.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:50 AM (in response to Gyno-jiz)Thanks, J Maloney. Would you agree with the above that I should set my proof setup to Windows RGB?
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Buko. May 14, 2009 10:55 AM (in response to c.gray)c.gray wrote:
I did, however, find a resource online that says that "Monitor RGB" pertains to one's own monitor.
That is exactly what I have been trying to tell you.
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c.gray May 14, 2009 10:59 AM (in response to Buko.)Yes, I know. I was just backing you up!
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Hartleyb4 May 15, 2009 7:26 AM (in response to Buko.)I am wondering why my advice was any worse than yours. I admit I mistakenly suggested Monitor RGB instead of Windows RGB but as far as I know sRGB is the default for most monitors. This would put them all pretty close. Am I missing something?
I would think that having someone set the images with icc profiles and then adjusting their own browser to correctly display such images would cause the exact same problem you say my solution does. It would give the image editor an impression of the image that nobody else is going to see. I don't know anyone that uses icc profiles for web work. In general I don't think you will find many people who have set their browsers to correctly view images that have these profiles. So it seems like someone that has will be thinking the images look great on their system but not on someone else's.
If someone may eventually repurpose these for print then worry about icc profiles for the printer. It seems like a huge waste of time for anything that is purely on screen.
I am not trying to battle with you over who is correct I just want to understand what your saying.
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32. Re: Saving Images for Web
Ramón G Castañeda May 15, 2009 9:36 AM (in response to Hartleyb4)Hartleyb4,
While it is true that some/many monitors can be and are very close to sRGB, what you're missing is that many others will not be.
Wide gamut monitors will have a profile that is sooooooooo far away from sRGB or "average" monitors that it's not even funny.
The only time to use Monitor RGB is when you're in an ostrich mood and feel like sticking your head in the sand.
PS— I can't believe I just jumped into yet another useless "Images for Web" thread.


