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Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 7, 2009 3:53 AM

I am currently working on Mac Pro 2x2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon. System Version ist 10.5.7.

Except the well known bugs including fonts, guides and PDF-writing everything works out fine.

Yesterday i installed Leopard Beta Build 10A354 including Rosetta. Freehand Icon starts to bounce but program doesn't start up. When trying to shut down I learned, that Freehand process was running and preventing restart. Had to kill it manually.

I want to mark up, that Freehand behavoir changed since Build 261, where it generated revolving error messages for about one minute. Does anyone know, if that will change untill Snow Leopard release?

1. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 7, 2009 3:07 PM (in response to RicardoO)

This sounds suspiciously like a problem in need of a HotFix. You try it and see if helps in this case.

http://go.adobe.com/kb/cs_tn_18933_en-us

Judy Arndt
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2. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 8, 2009 12:03 AM (in response to Judy_Arndt)

So you gave me hope for at least 2 minutes. Thanks a lot for the answer, but the hotfix didn't work out. But it changed the behaviour. Now the application quits 2 secs after clicking the icon.
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3. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

FH Addict Jun 8, 2009 5:06 AM (in response to RicardoO)

That's scaring!!! I hope you will find a solution.
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4. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 8, 2009 5:14 AM (in response to RicardoO)

After trying Judy's Hotfix I did some additional research. Some information elsewhere stated, that disabling 3rd-Party preference panes could help. I tried this as well without success. Also booted in single user mode without effect. Hmmmmm...
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5. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 8, 2009 5:48 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Have you tried using Disk Utility to Repair Disk Permissions?
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6. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 8, 2009 9:52 AM (in response to RicardoO)

All Clear. I finally got it to work.
I performed a fresh install of Freehand. Then I appied Judy's hotfix. Application still hung at startup. Then I booted into safe mode (hold Shift while startup). Suddenly Freehand started like a charm. After rebooting in normal mode Freehand kept working. Please don't ask me why.
After short test I could only fin one sever issue: After printing into postscript file spinning ball of death appears an Freehand is unresponsive and has to be force quit.
Hope that is due to Snow Leo Beta. Filed an errror report to apple. Forgot to mention that the ps files are OK and can be processed properly by Distiller.
That's all folks. Could be much worse.
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7. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

FH Addict Jun 8, 2009 2:08 PM (in response to RicardoO)

Thanks for your contribution. You are now a real FreeHand beta tester Keep us inform about your test.
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8. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 9, 2009 7:43 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Great News!

I hope the crash after printing the PS File won't be in the newest Developer Version and of course not in the final version.

Are there news about this?

I really hope that freehand will run on 10.6....... If it won't we have a BIG problem........
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9. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 9, 2009 9:04 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Ricardo, we owe you a debt of gratitude for beta-testing FH on the new OS. Thank you.

Conflicts can arise in unexpected places. There was a conflict between Acrobat 7 and QuickTime 7.1, causing the computer to hang. I mention this only as a possible area to investigate.

http://go.adobe.com/kb/ts_333096_en-us

Judy Arndt
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10. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 9, 2009 3:06 PM (in response to RicardoO)

Thanks for all your interest and support especially to Judy.
At the moment I'm digging through Freehand Forum to find out about the printing issue. I haven't found any substantial infos so far ;-((
The spindump thing will ONLY happen if you choose printing to .ps file (independent which printer you have chosen) which is bad luck but leaves at least some hope. Updating to Acrobat 9.1.1 and Distiller 9.1.0 had no positive effect.
I also tried using different PPD's such as old linotronic stuff, but so far no success. With the linotronic PPD instead of Adobe PDF 3118.101 driver it is possible to use PDF print option "save as Adobe PDF" but that results in low resolution PDF. Maybe a "special" PPD could do the trick and then use save to Adobe PDF rather to .ps file and avoid hanging.
At this moment I'm at end with my knowledge. Judy pointed out, that there was an incompatibility which caused severe printing problems under Quicktime 7. So lets consider the Beta Status of Snow Leopard and most of its components and say a little prayer.....
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11. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 9, 2009 3:40 PM (in response to RicardoO)

One of the desirable features about printing to a .ps file using a selected PPD is that the file is formatted for the chosen printer. Special paper sizes, halftone info, etc. is included in the file.

When you printed from FH, had you selected the target printer in the FH file's Page Setup?
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12. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 9, 2009 11:38 PM (in response to RicardoO)

Yes I have chosen the printers in page setup as well. No effect. Would be quite interesting what Freehand tries to do after writing the .ps file. That's when spindump arises. It's about 1 sec after finishing the .ps file.
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13. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 10, 2009 4:19 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Which Version of SnowLeopard du you have?

Has anybody infos if apple will do changes in this case of PS printing
till the release?

FREEHAND must run on SnowLeopard!
Everything else would be so sad.......

Any Ideas from other guys?

I think we should info about this thread in a lot other forums, news
etc......

There are a lot Freehand Fans around the world - i think a lot of
people will help us!
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14. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 10, 2009 5:40 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Installed build is A354. I will install lastest (A380) today and give it a try. By the way: I tried to find a workaround with Jaws PDF Creator - but nothing worked out. I don't wanna waste lots of precious time with the old build.
I keep you guys updated
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15. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM (in response to RicardoO)

When you force quit FH after writing to a .ps file, is a crash log generated?

Using the Console application, you can read crash logs. Sometimes the last few lines in the log offer a clue about what went wrong.

I found this interesting discussion on disabling Spindump.

http://jamesreubenknowles.com/disable-spindump-71

It would be interesting to know if FH still hangs with Spindump disabled.

If my elderly Mac would run Snow Leopard, I'd test this myself.
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16. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 11, 2009 1:28 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Hi all Freehand Users out there. Good news. Build 380 did it. Printing is back to work normally. Everything works fine. And the new Leopard is pretty fast. Acrobat starts up in 2 secs. Even Illustratotr, which used to take endless time to boot, needs only 10 secs.
So everybody sitting on high end hardware gets the performance we deserve and we payed for. Snow leopard rules and so does Freehand.
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17. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

FH Addict Jun 11, 2009 1:37 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Champagne for RicardO
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18. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Judy_Arndt Jun 11, 2009 5:19 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Hurrah! Thanks a bunch for testing, Ricardo!
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19. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 11, 2009 5:57 AM (in response to Judy_Arndt)

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FREEHAND WILL RUN ON 10.6!
A GREAT DAY!!!!!

THANKS!
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20. BAD NEWS!!!!

ktmedien Jun 11, 2009 6:52 PM (in response to RicardoO)

BAD NEWS!!!

FREEHAND DOESN'T RUN!

Ricardo - i don't know why it works on your mac - but it's not regular.
I can't believe it. Perhaps something in your system is "wrong"??!?!?

What i did:
I did a fresh install of SnowLeo 380 - the newest build.
Then i installed Freehand 11.0.2
Then i did the FIX in the link above.

Nothing hapens.... Freehand bounces - then it crashed.

O.K. - booting in "Shift-Mode".
Same result.
I tested really everything. Single-User-Mode - normal mode - again single user mode - new install.... and so on, and so on.....

Then i tried another Freehand - the newest from the adobe download page (before it was from my MX 2004 CD).
Same thing.....

And thats not only my experiance.
2 friends also tested it today on their MacPros..... SAME REULT AS MINE!!!!

Has anyone an idea???

If Freehand won't run on 10.6 we all will have a big Problem in the Future......

Any Tips?

Here is my Crash-Log - perhaps someone can "read" this:

Process:         FreeHand MX [127]
Path:            /usr/libexec/oah/translate
Identifier:      FreeHand MX
Version:         ??? (???)
Code Type:       PPC (Translated)
Parent Process: FreeHand MX [119]

Date/Time:       2009-06-12 03:21:13.121 +0200
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.6 (10A380)
Report Version: 6

Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb815ad8b spin_lock_wrapper + 89967
1   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb817a080 CallPPCFunctionAtAddressInt + 98620
2   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb80c6c97 0xb8000000 + 814231
3   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb80c01bb 0xb8000000 + 786875
4   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb80dda6c 0xb8000000 + 907884
5   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb814551b spin_lock_wrapper + 1791
6   LaunchCFMApp                  0xb801d03b 0xb8000000 + 118843

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0xb8179fe2 ecx: 0x00000000 edx: 0x00000001
edi: 0x0000007f esi: 0x00000006 ebp: 0xb7fff978 esp: 0xb7fff954
   ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00000246 eip: 0xb815ad8b   cs: 0x00000017
   ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0xb8179fd4

Binary Images:
0x80000000 - 0x8006afe7 libstdc++.6.dylib ??? (???) <411D87F4-B7E1-44EB-F201-F8B4F9227213> /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib
0x800c5000 - 0x80269fef libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) <15D64F9F-8F20-71BA-571D-C4DDF03C547D> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x802ea000 - 0x802edfe7 libmathCommon.A.dylib ??? (???) <5505DDE1-5D69-1786-6101-2C99BD752ADC> /usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib
0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe41627 dyld 132.1 (???) <7E8A62A5-BB2D-C9C5-940D-B493DC9CD231> /usr/lib/dyld
0xb8000000 - 0xb81defff LaunchCFMApp ??? (???) <D106BD18-8A8C-9436-520F-4EFE5734A68C> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Support/LaunchCFMApp
0xffff0000 - 0xffff1fff libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) <15D64F9F-8F20-71BA-571D-C4DDF03C547D> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

Translated Code Information:
NO CRASH REPORT
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21. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 12, 2009 12:38 AM (in response to RicardoO)

HI ktmedien.

That's bad news indeed. So IMHO it has something to do with the fresh install of OS X.
So you can't have no 3-rd party plugins or system enhancments installed.
Silly question: Did you choose to install rosetta in OS X installation setup dialog (custom install)? It's NOT the default setting!!!
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22. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 12, 2009 5:43 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Yes of course we klicked the rosetta option.

How you did the osx install?
You did no clean install?
Which 3rd Party plugins do you mean???

Freehand is so important.... I hope there is a solution......
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23. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

davecc Jun 12, 2009 7:06 AM (in response to ktmedien)

Have you tried installing Freehand 10?
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24. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 12, 2009 7:10 AM (in response to davecc)

No.......
Apart from i think freehand 10 won't run when even 11.0.2 won't,
freehand 10 is so buggy and uncool.....

we should concentrate on 11.0.2!
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25. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

davecc Jun 12, 2009 7:22 AM (in response to ktmedien)

At least try it and see if it works.
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26. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 12, 2009 7:30 AM (in response to davecc)

Freehand 10 won't run if Freehand 11.0.2 won't run at least.....

But even if it will run - what will be?
Do you want to work with freehand 10??!?!?!?!?

We should concentrate on expedient ideas to run 11.0.2 on 10.6!

It's too important for a lot of us......
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27. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 12, 2009 7:33 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Hi ktmedien,
I cloned my Leopard working-partition and performed an upgrade installation. Therefor all my stuff (Flip4mac, Application enhancer from unsanity, fontcard, codecs, all applications and so on were present since first startup.)
I discovered that the insanity apps prevented Freehand to start. But since you performed a clean install that's definitely not the problem, you are concerned with.
My Freehand setup file is dated 16.03.2004. It's called FreehandMX-Installation and is 37,1 MB large and has Version Number 7.4. This installs Freehand MX 11.0. After that I apply updater fhmx_1102_updater with 7,2 MB. All are german versions.
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28. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 12, 2009 7:45 AM (in response to RicardoO)
Don't be worried about fancy icon from Freehand. This doesn't prevent working. Which permission do you have. Mine > look screenshot.

Icon.jpg 26.1 K
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29. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 12, 2009 7:44 AM (in response to RicardoO)
Seems that Finder info didn't upload to forum. Once again.

FinderInfo.jpg 81.8 K
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30. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

RicardoO Jun 12, 2009 2:09 PM (in response to RicardoO)

Hi everybody,
I couldn't leave you without you beloved Freehand under Snow Leopard. Here's how stuff works.
I don't know exactly why my first attempt succeded with all that ******* around. I think it's due to system enhancements I have installed unter Leopard, which prvented Freehand from starting.

Now the easy way:
Install fresh Leopard (mine was 10.5.2)
Install Freehand MX 11.02. Run it and serialize it.
Comboupdate to 10.5.7.
Install Snow Leopard. Start Freehand. Enjoy.

To ktmedien or anybody out there. Please verify my method and post asap.
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31. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

calcanuck Jun 17, 2009 10:44 PM (in response to RicardoO)
Here's a replacement icon for Freehand so it matches the rest of CS4. Enjoy!

cw

Freehand_CS4_Icon.zip 36.8 K
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32. Freehand IS Snow Leopard compatible!!!!!!!

RicardoO Jun 17, 2009 11:01 PM (in response to RicardoO)

Haha - at last Freehand becomes part of Creative Suite.
Fits very nicely in the dock. THX a lot man.
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33. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

ktmedien Jun 18, 2009 3:49 AM (in response to RicardoO)

RICARDOO INFORMATION IS TRUE!!!!!

IT RUNS ON SNOW LEOPARD!!!!!!!!!!!

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
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34. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Ullarsokkur Aug 6, 2009 9:43 AM (in response to ktmedien)

Thank you all for the information, it is very useful.

It is so nice to see that I'm not the only admirer of this GREAT software, but it really makes me angry that it is not being developed any further.
We should start a mass movement to have Adobe change their mind and honor the future of Freehand.

Best Regards,
Gunnar
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35. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

FH Addict Aug 6, 2009 1:40 PM (in response to Ullarsokkur)

Je serai absent(e) à partir du 10/07/2009 de retour le 24/08/2009.

I'am out of the office
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36. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

jog Aug 20, 2009 4:25 AM (in response to RicardoO)

Copy your registration file from any working installation and you should be fine:

/Library/Application Support/Macromedia/Freehand MXa Registration

I guess the registration dialog crashes under 10.6, it looked quite weird in 10.5 already if I remember correctly...
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37. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

FH Addict Aug 20, 2009 7:33 AM (in response to jog )

Je serai absent(e) à partir du 10/07/2009 de retour le 24/08/2009.

I'am out of the office
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38. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

actionfigured Aug 29, 2009 3:50 PM (in response to RicardoO)

THIS PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED!

I have tried every method listed here to get Freehand working under 10.6, and I've had no success. I've tried it on two different systems, too; the most recent model iMacs, and most recent model MacBooks.

This has been nothing less than a nightmare, as my licenses are unaccessible once I update to 10.6. My only recourse is to reinstall 10.5 to try and reclaim them.

Does anyone have any other suggestions/hints?!

C
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39. Re: Is Freehand MX11.02 10.6 Snow Leopard compatible?

Karbonized Aug 29, 2009 8:52 PM (in response to actionfigured)

I agree, this post is not answered. I too have tried the solutions above with no success. Something's not making sense.
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