16 Replies Latest reply: Sep 3, 2009 12:45 AM by IronADDT RSS

    Is it Time to Go?

    James_PT Community Member

      LIke many of us, I have spent many hours bulding in ADDT.  I have a significant application that is 75% complete, but I wonder if I am wasting my time.

       

      I know that Adobe has ended support for ADDT.  ADDT is already not compatible with PHP 5.3.0.  So my original thoughts that there was sufficient life left in the product may be wrong.  I would appreciate any wisdom here.  Is it time to abandon the platform now and move on?  Is the actually useful life of ADDT quite short given that other surrounding technologies continue to evolve?  It would be a shame to put so much effort into a product that cannot be maintained.

        • 1. Re: Is it Time to Go?
          Günter Schenk Community Member

          Is it time to go ? That´s in fact a very good question, and I´m also quite unsure where to go -- although I still do think that those who know how ADDT works and who are aware of its benefits & can live with its known limitations might still find it easier to get stuff done rather than (my impression based on evaluating a variety of "frameworks" lately) migrating to other PHP application development frameworks and having to find out that they may not be perfect either respectively have their own quirks.

           

          ADDT is already not compatible with PHP 5.3.0.

          Most of the currently available appdev solutions suffer from this very issue as well (just read the forums), but it´s of course to be expected that at least the "major players" out there will make sure to get this issue fixed ASAP. We ADDT developers instead would have to wade through the "includes" PHP code libraries ourselves and try fixing stuff -- I for once don´t think it would be too complicated, as the major to-become-fixed troublemakers are rather easy to identify. But then again I wonder who´d be willing to invest some time to fix and test stuff painstakingly until ADDT can be considered 5.3.x compatible -- and if he/she manages to put things right, give the modified code libraries back to the user community rather than keeping it for himself.

           

          I would appreciate any wisdom here.

          not really expectable from me I fear, as I´m apparently as unsettled as most other ADDT users who are now caught between many stools

           

          Cheers,

          Günter

          • 2. Re: Is it Time to Go?
            GSNet

            I must admit I would be pretty pissed off if I have purchased ADDT just before they stop selling it only to find out that less then 4 months later it was obsolete! As we know ADDT is not compatible with PHP 5.3 and it is no use saying that well don't run that on your server as many small web developers use shared hosting and most if not all of them update when there server vendor has a stable version of the latest software build. This could mean that many sites go off as soon as they update/upgrade.

             

            I know that adobe don't want to develop this software anymore (cannot believe they are killing off so many good time saving features!) but knowing that php5.3 was in the making and still selling the extension up to 1st of May is totally unreasonable,

             

            If some one from Adobe is looking at this at least make a compatibility patch so we can keep our sites up a bit longer! at least we would have time to look at alternative ways to do the things ADDT did in a reasonable time scale. If not I fear this could cause many problems for us smaller developers who have used ADDT/MX Kollection so long and especially in a time of such job uncertainty.

            • 3. Re: Is it Time to Go?
              Purple Edge

              "I must admit I would be pretty pissed off if I have purchased ADDT just before they stop selling it only to find out that less then 4 months later it was obsolete!"

               

              ...is exactly how I felt when I heard that Adobe bought the product!

              • 4. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                sprumba

                hey Gunter,

                 

                I have several applications built on ADDT. They are now massive big websites. It will be difficult porting them over to another PHP Framework but i have some other dreaweaver extensions that can be used to transition the websites to be compatible with the latest PHP thereby moving out of the shackles of ADDT. It will not be easy.

                 

                Moreover, i want to know if it is possible to outsource  all ADDT includes to PHP Gurus to make it compatible with the latest PHP. If this is possible, i will surely pay for it. How do i go about it? I will definitely share it among the community.

                 

                 

                • 5. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                  James_PT Community Member

                  I share the same thoughts and would be willing to support (pay) to have a group or individual upgrade ADDT to keep it compatable with PHP / MySQL.  It begs the question, as to whether Adobe would permit it.  I don't know of any legal ramifications.

                   

                  Another thought is to approach Adobe directly to have them do the same, pay them some fee to upgrade (not enhance) ADDT to keep it compatible - at least until some unknown, future DW version x blows it away entirely, hopefully, a long time off.

                   

                  I have no problem continuing to use ADDT in its unsupported and unenhanced mode as long as it can survive.  I'm having a hard time with potentially offering an application to a client for which there is no expected, useful life.  Who wants a new application or website that has only x months to live?  Having sat in the CIO's chair, I would not purchase an application that has a known, technical time bomb, even if I could isolate a server for it to run a "special" version of the operating environment to keep it going.

                   

                  Again, I am willing to contribute financially if that is an option.

                   

                  Lastly, I have a question regarding DW.  Is it worth upgrading to CS4 to try and get some additional life out of ADDT?  Does it matter given the current state of affairs?

                  • 6. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                    GSNet Community Member

                    I would add my name to the list pay for an update and maybe we should set up a thread purley for this subject, upgrading to CS4 would not extend the life of ADDT as the issue is with the server php version.

                     

                    I have also considered getting a freelance programmer to update addt to work with 5.3 but the copyright issue my be a problem with Adobe.

                    • 7. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                      zzipper7 Community Member

                      I don't want to build "time bombs" either.

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                      I would use a "pay" service for maintenance or upgrades until something better came along.

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                      Add me to the list!

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                      J

                      • 8. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                        Günter Schenk Community Member

                        DreamerJim wrote:

                         

                        I share the same thoughts and would be willing to support (pay) to have a group or individual upgrade ADDT to keep it compatable with PHP / MySQL.  It begs the question, as to whether Adobe would permit it.  I don't know of any legal ramifications.

                        Adobe clearly doesn´t keep ADDT users from modifying the "includes" code libraries for personal use, but a public distribution (e.g. as download from a user´s website) of the original or modified libraries is not allowed -- that´s at least what I get from reading the copyright disclaimers on line 1 of each ADDT "includes" file.

                         

                        As I already suggested quite some time ago, I´d like to see Adobe release the ADDT code libraries under a "Spry compatible" BSD license (which would still retain their copyright) to overcome this limitation...is anyone else with me here ?

                         

                        Cheers,

                        Günter

                        • 9. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                          zzipper7 Community Member

                          How do we get our "voice" to Adobe on this matter?

                          • 10. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                            James_PT Community Member

                            Certainly.

                             

                            Has anyone approached Adobe to explore options other than letting ADDT die a natural death?  I understand they don't want to bother with it, but maybe they would be willing to extend its useful life by putting a minimal amount of work into it just to keep it compatible or if not, letting others do.  Either works for me.

                            • 11. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                              GSNet Community Member

                              I personally think Gunter route seams the most feasible but as mentioned who can we talk to and who will be willing to pick up this project?

                              • 12. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                                Günter Schenk Community Member

                                DreamerJim wrote:

                                 

                                ...by putting a minimal amount of work into it just to keep it compatible

                                the problem is: as it´s now, the current ADDT PHP code libraries don´t provide a PHP version check for each function to help distinguishing between, say, PHP version <= 5.2.9 and >= 5.3.0 -- anyone who´d like to create a "one size fits all" ADDT version which is supposed to work with all current PHP versions will have a *very* hard time implementing these version checks incl. having the functions work differently.

                                 

                                IMO it would make more sense to try creating a secondary ADDT version that´s supposed to work with PHP >= 5.3.0 only, because it´s certainly much easier to "fix" the affected functions.

                                 

                                Cheers,

                                Günter

                                • 13. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                                  James_PT Community Member

                                  Agreed.  A PHP 5.3.0 and beyond version would be simpler.

                                   

                                  Then the question becomes, will CS5, whenever that is released, be incompatible with ADDT altogether?  How much time would we be buying?

                                   

                                  Is this course worth pursuing?

                                  • 14. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                                    Günter Schenk Community Member

                                    DreamerJim wrote:

                                     

                                    Then the question becomes, will CS5, whenever that is released, be incompatible with ADDT altogether?  How much time would we be buying?

                                     

                                    Based on the MX Kollection/ADDT history I think it´s safe to assume that the current ADDT version (1.0.1) will most likely not be compatible with DW CS5, as each new Dreamweaver version required a "new" ADDT version.

                                     

                                    Is this course worth pursuing?

                                    Well, if I were to continue developing ADDT driven backends, I´d not necessarily need yet another Dreamweaver version to do so.

                                     

                                    Cheers,

                                    Günter

                                    • 15. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                                      James_PT Community Member

                                      Right,

                                       

                                      In any case, it is a matter of buying more time as DW and ADDT will at some point surely no longer work together.

                                       

                                      Given that, is there merit in trying to move this forward?  It would mean:

                                      • Getting Adobe to agree to some arrangement to enable a PHP 5.3.0 + compatible ADDT version
                                      • Doing the technical analysis and work to come up with the new version (not to mention testing)
                                      • Remaining on CS4 forever or until you abandon ADDT entirely

                                       

                                      If there is merit in this approach, I am willing to take this to Adobe.

                                      • 16. Re: Is it Time to Go?
                                        IronADDT Community Member

                                        "Server-Side includes" function, works on PHP 5.3?

                                         

                                        I have used this function in more and more website, and I'm very worried because more hosting company have updated to 5.3 or are planning to do so in the short time.