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    Banned again ;-)

    JhabrixJay Community Member

      First, JayJhabrix got banned from posting...

       

      Now it's Jhabrix that's banned... and not a by your leave nor explanation! In neither case was a message sent giving a warning of any kind nor a reason for the inability to post.

       

      Someone is getting very personal and, for some reason, 'Jhabrix' seems to be like a red flag to a bull!

       

      I wonder how long:

       

      1/ This post / thread will last

       

      2/ How long it will be before this avatar of Jhabrix is banned!!

       

       

       

      And, if any moderator chooses to read between the lines, you'll realise this post very much is a comment on the Forums and on this Forum.

        • 1. Re: Banned again ;-)
          John T Smith CommunityMVP

          Like it or not, you need to understand that the concept of "free speech" has to do with the political process in the USA... not a company forum

           

          This is a moderated forum, and free speech has nothing at all to do with what goes on here

           

          As in any forum... if you don't like what goes on, you may choose to not participate

           

          Continuing to attempt political-style free speech here is not going to get you any good result

           

          Stick to on-topic discussions and you will do much better

           

          As far as I'm concerned, this is my first and last post on a subject like this... I come to these forums to learn about products, so that is what I will stick to doing, and I will go back to ignoring any subject topic that has nothing to do with actual products or, in this forum, ideas about how to make the forum work better

          • 2. Re: Banned again ;-)
            Ozzwoman9 Community Member

            I think the issue is the lack of explanation or warning:

             

            Now it's Jhabrix that's banned... and not a by your leave nor explanation! In neither case was a message sent giving a warning of any kind nor a reason for the inability to post.

            • 3. Re: Banned again ;-)
              Ansury Community Member

              Lack of explanation OR warning (at least two within some set period of time) is a problem, yeah.  That's just way too aggressive and most of the time a warning will clue someone in to tone things down (although knowing what specifically crossed the line might be needed).

               

              But, and I am sorry to say, I do think that "speech freedom" does not apply here.  This forum is technically Adobe's private property and we are technically guests, so we do need to abide by their rules... even if they turn out to be draconian.  Of course we're also free to look elsewhere for software, so you would think they have some motivation to be reasonable, too.

              • 4. Re: Banned again ;-)
                Adobe Employee

                An email warning was sent to jhabrix at 1:33pm on Tuesday, Sep 1, 2009...

                This is a first warning for a violation of the Adobe Community Guidelines as a result of your messages in the Forums Feedback forum and your reaction to community moderator actions. If you continue to violate our adobe.com Terms of Use and Adobe Community Guidelines, your account may be subject to permanent suspension.

                 

                Thank you for your kind consideration.

                 

                Adobe Community Admin

                Adobe Forums


                Creating new accounts to get around a ban is considered a violation and will lead to permanent suspension.

                • 5. Re: Banned again ;-)
                  Kath-H Community Member

                  That's been tried before - good luck

                  • 6. Re: Banned again ;-)
                    Ansury Community Member

                    So, then a ban is not a permanent suspension?  How long is a ban?  It should say the length of time if it's temporary so people don't assume it's permanent.  Also, you have to realize that not everyone checks their email every day.  I might check mine once a week or something, and even then a single message could be lost in spam, or filtered out, etc.  At least send a PM as well, or send 2 warnings, etc.

                     

                    Not just trying to be a pain, but it still seems pretty harsh to me.

                    • 7. Re: Banned again ;-)
                      Ansury Community Member

                      Nice one Jive--all day this thread has said "Community Moderator" as the last poster, but Kath and myself both posted after that post.

                       

                      +1 Jive Bug?  Does ANYTHING work correctly in this place???

                       

                      Edit: Yay I "fixed" it!

                      • 8. Re: Banned again ;-)
                        john cornicello (retired) Adobe Employee

                        It is working correctly. The message was edited after the two of you posted. It originally had a typo in it that was later fixed. So that was the last edited message.

                        • 9. Re: Banned again ;-)
                          Ansury Community Member

                          John Cornicello wrote:

                           

                          It is working correctly. The message was edited after the two of you posted. It originally had a typo in it that was later fixed. So that was the last edited message.

                           

                          True, but the forum says last "posted", so I was going by that definition strictly.

                           

                          Just a technicality and another design issue, I guess.

                          • 10. Re: Banned again ;-)
                            JhabrixJay Community Member

                            Community Moderator wrote:

                             

                            An email warning was sent to jhabrix at 1:33pm on Tuesday, Sep 1, 2009...

                             


                            Mmm.... soemthing smells not quite right...

                             

                            1/ The Jhabrix account was created on September 2 so, sending a message on September 1 indicates remarkable clairvoyance

                            2/ No message was received

                            • 11. Re: Banned again ;-)
                              dec9 Community Member

                              Turn off your spam filter.

                              JhabrixJay wrote:

                               

                              Community Moderator wrote:

                               

                              An email warning was sent to jhabrix at 1:33pm on Tuesday, Sep 1, 2009...

                               


                              Mmm.... soemthing smells not quite right...

                               

                              1/ The Jhabrix account was created on September 2 so, sending a message on September 1 indicates remarkable clairvoyance

                              2/ No message was received

                              • 12. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                JhabrixJay Community Member

                                dec9 wrote:

                                 

                                Turn off your spam filter.

                                JhabrixJay wrote:

                                 

                                Community Moderator wrote:

                                 

                                An email warning was sent to jhabrix at 1:33pm on Tuesday, Sep 1, 2009...

                                 


                                Mmm.... soemthing smells not quite right...

                                 

                                1/ The Jhabrix account was created on September 2 so, sending a message on September 1 indicates remarkable clairvoyance

                                2/ No message was received

                                 

                                Please note point 1/. And i do check my spam. Nothing there. Other messages from Adobe, welcoming me (dated Sep 02) and threads are in my inbox.

                                • 13. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                  Ansury Community Member

                                  dec9 wrote:

                                   

                                  Turn off your spam filter.

                                   

                                  You can't be serious.

                                   

                                  Turn off your spam filter so you can get notices from adobe.com about being banned? 

                                   

                                  As terrible as the Jived PM system is here, technically it would be at least a little better if it were used in addition to email which may or may not even reach it's destiniation (or get checked).  That's all I have to say on the matter.

                                  • 14. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                    dec9 Community Member

                                    I wasn't serious.

                                    • 15. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                      Phillip Jones Community Member

                                      Ansury wrote:

                                       

                                      dec9 wrote:

                                       

                                      Turn off your spam filter.

                                       

                                      You can't be serious.

                                       

                                      Turn off your spam filter so you can get notices from adobe.com about being banned? 

                                       

                                      As terrible as the Jived PM system is here, technically it would be at least a little better if it were used in addition to email which may or may not even reach it's destiniation (or get checked).  That's all I have to say on the matter.

                                      His Browser to you have. if you use a Mozilla type Browser (Camino, FireFox, SeaMonkey) you can  go into you junk folder and open message and un check as spam. then once you returned it to inbox click on the email address and choose create filter. have filter move it to say directory called Adobe.  then run the filter. from that point on those such messaes would be redirected to specfic folder. Here is a sample.

                                      SeaMonkeypicture002.png

                                      • 16. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                        JhabrixJay Community Member

                                        Nobody reads Post #10

                                        • 17. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                          dec9 Community Member

                                          You should read post 3. The poster is trying to help you out.

                                           

                                          JhabrixJay wrote:

                                           

                                          Nobody reads Post #10

                                          • 18. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                            greenjumpyone Community Member

                                            dec9 wrote:

                                             

                                            You should read post 3. The poster is trying to help you out.

                                             

                                            JhabrixJay wrote:

                                             

                                            Nobody reads Post #10

                                            Perhaps Ansury is helping out, but there is a bit of discrepancy if you read post 10! 

                                            • 19. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                              Ansury Community Member

                                              JhabrixJay wrote:


                                              Mmm.... soemthing smells not quite right...

                                               

                                              1/ The Jhabrix account was created on September 2 so, sending a message on September 1 indicates remarkable clairvoyance

                                              2/ No message was received

                                               

                                              Yes post #10 is quite an interesting one.

                                              • 20. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                dec9 wrote:

                                                 

                                                You should read post 3. The poster is trying to help you out.


                                                 

                                                dec9:

                                                 

                                                Post #3 has no relevance to Post #10. Post #10 is a reply to Post #4.

                                                • 21. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                  dec9 Community Member

                                                  Must be the result of folding of space that went too far past the mid point and ending up in the future. What results is a post the day before it happens. Just a theory. I am working on the proof. Need beta testors.

                                                  • 22. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                    D Fosse-QDEaQ1 Community Member

                                                    Sounds reasonable to me. I always live by the maxim of never testing a good theory. It'll only make you confused.

                                                    • 23. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                      Barca123

                                                      How can you get banned?

                                                      What is the cause?

                                                       

                                                      • 24. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                        Phillip Jones Community Member

                                                        Getting on the bad side of the moderator.

                                                        Getting the moderator teed off at you for some reason.

                                                        If the Moderator disklikes you for some reason.

                                                        Using inappropriate language too often

                                                         

                                                        there are many reasons

                                                        • 25. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                          JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                          dec9 wrote:

                                                           

                                                          Must be the result of folding of space that went too far past the mid point and ending up in the future. What results is a post the day before it happens. Just a theory. I am working on the proof. Need beta testors.

                                                          There was a post or thread by Jhabrix on Jive and the whole time-space continuum thing... can't remember the context though... maybe something to do with the speed of the site and the fact that actually, it seemed so slow but wa really so fast that it was already in the future when we were still in the past?

                                                           

                                                          Maybe something like arriving at a station to catch a train... the train's already left... you don't know... and you keep thinking the train's so slow, it's so late...

                                                          • 26. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                            JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                            PjonesCET wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Getting on the bad side of the moderator.

                                                            Getting the moderator teed off at you for some reason.

                                                            If the Moderator disklikes you for some reason.

                                                            Using inappropriate language too often

                                                             

                                                            there are many reasons

                                                             

                                                            Add to that:

                                                             

                                                            Calling a spade a spade

                                                            Calling a spade a shovel

                                                            (Calling a shovel a spade?)

                                                            Unsw....

                                                            • 27. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                              Captiv8r CommunityMVP

                                                              Hi Phillip

                                                               

                                                              Moderators have no ability to ban anyone. Only Adobe personnel have that capability.

                                                               

                                                              Moderators do have an ability to suggest to Adobe that someone be banned, but to be honest, the person being banned has to have exhibited some pretty severe behavior in order to warrant banning. Adobe seems to have a high tolerance threshold for bad behavior.

                                                               

                                                              So no, you cannot be banned simply because a moderator were to dislike or disagree with you. Banning only comes as a last step after Adobe personnel have reviewed the situation and deemed the infractions severe enough that banning is the only resort.

                                                               

                                                              Cheers... Rick

                                                              • 28. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                David_Powers CommunityMVP

                                                                greenjumpyone wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                there is a bit of discrepancy if you read post 10! 

                                                                Not necessarily. Anywhere east of the Persian/Arabian Gulf would have been September 2 at 1.33pm on September 1 on the west coast of the United States. Times on emails also depend on the sender's computer clock being accurate.

                                                                • 29. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                  Phillip Jones Community Member

                                                                  On Macintoh computers as long as you have a good PRAM battery and a good Regular Battery (for Laptops) the clock stays up todate after first set according to time zone. Apple run their own time servers based  the time servers you here of on Shortwave radio (works similar).  Time is based on GMT.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                    Ansury Community Member

                                                                    Captiv8r wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Moderators do have an ability to suggest to Adobe that someone be banned, but to be honest, the person being banned has to have exhibited some pretty severe behavior in order to warrant banning. Adobe seems to have a high tolerance threshold for bad behavior.

                                                                     

                                                                    So no, you cannot be banned simply because a moderator were to dislike or disagree with you. Banning only comes as a last step after Adobe personnel have reviewed the situation and deemed the infractions severe enough that banning is the only resort.

                                                                     

                                                                    So would it be possible to get explanations and/or retractions for the following bannings then?

                                                                     

                                                                    Jay Jhabrix

                                                                    Jhabrix

                                                                    Ramon (can't spell last name) (not that he cares, already moved on to greener pastures)

                                                                     

                                                                    AND email warnings sent out?

                                                                     

                                                                    Because in all of these cases the "only resort" of banning for severe infractions doesn't seem to apply, at least based on what goes on here.  It seems arbitrary and almost random.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                      Harbs. CommunityMVP

                                                                      Maybe it was JJ posting 10 antagonistic threads in a span of 2 days 

                                                                      which got him banned? Dunno...

                                                                       

                                                                      It's a shame, because until he went on a rampage, JJ was one of the 

                                                                      more level-headed posters (at least on this forum -- I don't know what 

                                                                      goes on on the Photoshop forum)...

                                                                       

                                                                      Harbs

                                                                      • 32. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                        John Joslin Community Member

                                                                        Harbs. wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        Maybe it was JJ posting 10 antagonistic threads in a span of 2 days 

                                                                        which got him banned? Dunno...

                                                                         

                                                                        It's a shame, because until he went on a rampage, JJ was one of the 

                                                                        more level-headed posters (at least on this forum -- I don't know what 

                                                                        goes on on the Photoshop forum)...

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        Erm, excuse me,  I AM THE REAL JJ !!


                                                                        I do not do rampages. This other interloper is just getting the initials a bad reputation.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                          David_Powers CommunityMVP

                                                                          Ansury wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          So would it be possible to get explanations and/or retractions for the following bannings then?

                                                                          I think it is highly unlikely that Adobe would enter a public discussion of why certain individuals have been banned. The Adobe Community Guidelines are pretty clear. They state in part:

                                                                          Adobe reserves the right to immediately remove any posts that it deems inaccurate, inappropriate, offensive, or prohibited under these guidelines. In addition, Adobe reserves the right to eject or permanently ban a user who behaves in any manner it deems inappropriate, offensive, or prohibited under these guidelines. Adobe may change the site content, the license terms for text or sample code, or these guidelines at any time.

                                                                          As has already been pointed out, moderators do not have the power to ban anyone. Only Adobe does. It's Adobe's party, and it can decide who's invited and who's not.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                            JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                                            John Joslin wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Erm, excuse me,  I AM THE REAL JJ !!


                                                                            I do not do rampages. This other interloper is just getting the initials a bad reputation.

                                                                             

                                                                            Now, now calm down.... He was talking about JayJhabrix aka JJ... actually, a member here much longer than you... since 2003. Trouble was JJ usually came in thru the NNTP side... using the web interface only since 2005 or '06 for just the Illustrator forums... so his post count, etc. is very low.

                                                                             

                                                                            And yes, this arbitrary blocking and deleting and locking probably got him worked up enough to speak up on behalf of everyone else...

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            • 35. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                              dec9 Community Member

                                                                              So you were sorta streatching the truth when you introduced yourself as Jhabrix a while back by implying you were new and looking forward to being part of the forums?

                                                                              • 36. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                                JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                                                dec9 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                So you were sorta streatching the truth when you introduced yourself as Jhabrix a while back by implying you were new and looking forward to being part of the forums?

                                                                                Did i say that? I never said anything. In fact, i haven't even introduced myself to the forums!! 

                                                                                • 37. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                                  JhabrixJay Community Member

                                                                                  David_Powers wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  As has already been pointed out, moderators do not have the power to ban anyone. Only Adobe does. It's Adobe's party, and it can decide who's invited and who's not.

                                                                                  But on the recommendation of the moderators no doubt... as it is quite clear that 'Adobe' doesn't hang around here...

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                                    Captiv8r CommunityMVP

                                                                                    While Adobe folk don't make a habit of posting in this forum, they do see the posts that fly around in here. That's why you see John Cornicello occasionally post.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Just some observations...

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I noticed the last post from Jay Jhabrix occurred on 9/1 (according to the messages in my In-Box)

                                                                                    Then on 9/2 Jhabrix emerges and is tolerated until 9/14.

                                                                                    Then on 9/16 Jhabrix Jay emerges and cites:

                                                                                    "Now it's Jhabrix that's banned... and not a by your leave nor explanation! Someone is getting very personal and, for some reason, 'Jhabrix' seems to be like a red flag to a bull!"

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Tell me these three names don't belong to the same individual.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    What baffles me is the bit about the claim "it's personal". Just because someone changes identities doesn't change the circumstances that got them banned to begin with. By doing so it's a continuation of the practice of goading moderation or banning. Likely only so that they can point out how unfair things have seemingly become.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Happy Monday all... Rick

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Banned again ;-)
                                                                                      Ansury Community Member

                                                                                      David_Powers wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I think it is highly unlikely that Adobe would enter a public discussion of why certain individuals have been banned. The Adobe Community Guidelines are pretty clear. They state in part:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      That's true, and as I've said before this is Adobe's private property where technically they're dictator but I'm not challenging that.  I'm just challenging this claim:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Moderators do have an ability to suggest to Adobe that someone be banned, but to be honest, the person being banned has to have exhibited some pretty severe behavior in order to warrant banning. Adobe seems to have a high tolerance threshold for bad behavior.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      So no, you cannot be banned simply because a moderator were to dislike or disagree with you. Banning only comes as a last step after Adobe personnel have reviewed the situation and deemed the infractions severe enough that banning is the only resort.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I don't think "Maybe it was JJ posting 10 antagonistic threads in a span of 2 days " (and ban afterwards) as Harbs put it really demonstrates "high tolerance".  Seems like pretty low tolerance to me.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      But whatever, at the end of the day, I don't really care, so why continue?

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