17 Replies Latest reply: Oct 15, 2009 4:18 PM by Ferdie2 RSS

    Check my rig

    Ferdie2

      I posted this in Toms Hardware, but since I'm gearing this rig up to edit AVCHD files in Premier primarily, I thought I'd get some input from here too.

       

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      APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: I can wait for Windows 7 (10/22) if a clean install is better than an upgrade.
      BUDGET RANGE: $1000-1800 After Rebates

      SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: HD video editing, Internet, burning movies, hosting media, Office and Productions apps.

      PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers*

      PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com is fine. 
      COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

      PARTS PREFERENCES: Core i7

      OVERCLOCKING: Maybe 
      SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

      MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200 (HP w2408h)

      ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: The monitor has an HDMI input, which I would like to use. So, I think *audio must come through the HDMI cable. I'm using a Sony consumer grade HD camcorder (AVCHD) and Adobe CS4. My wife uses various Office apps as well as Illustrator/Photoshop for work. I have a 1TB USB drive and a 1TB network drive for nightly backups. Stuff me with RAM and spindles please. Needs to be fast and reliable. No gaming!

        • 1. Re: Check my rig
          Ferdie2 Community Member

          This is what I've come up with so far.  Any opinions or suggestions?

           


          CPU - $280
          Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor 
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115202

          Mainboard - $290
          ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131365
          -or-
          Mainboard - $210 (-$20 MiR)
          ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131386

          Memory - $285
          CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model HX3X12G1600C9 G
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145235

          OS - $110
          Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116677

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          Case - $70 (-$20 MiR)
          RAIDMAX SMILODON Extreme Black ATX-612WEB 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811156078

          Power Supply - $100 (-$10 MiR)
          CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

          CPU Fan - $45
          XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - $45
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233029
          -or-
          CPU Fan - $63
          COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103055

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          Optical drive - $153
          LG 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 6X BD-ROM 2MB Cache Blu-ray Burner Model BH08LS20
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item= [Jeff] N82E16827136164

          Hard Drive OS - $230 (-$30 MiR)
          Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136322

          Hard Drive Data (x2) - $95 [Sold Out]
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136284 - $95
          Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives
          -or-
          Hard Drive Data (x2) - $90
          Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148433
          -or-
          Hard Drive Data (x2) - $80
          SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185

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          Video Card - $170 (-$20 MiR)
          ASUS ENGTX260 GL+/HTDI/896MD3 GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121337
          -or-
          Video Card - $190 (-$30 MiR)
          EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130434

           

          -Ferdie

          • 2. Re: Check my rig
            Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

            Ferdie,

             

            It looks good. For the disks I would not choose Seagate, but then I'm biased because of all the problems Seagate has had in the past and because of the temperatures. I would get 3 WD Caviar Blacks or Samsung F3's. No other comments.

            • 3. Re: Check my rig
              Ferdie2 Community Member

              Thinking about this more... would it also be helpful the change the scratch drive to a Velociraptor?  The scratch drive would be more for speed, not capcity, right?

               

              OS/Programs - 300GB Velociraptor

              Scratch/Media Cache - 150GB Velociraptor

              Data - 1000GB Samsung

              • 4. Re: Check my rig
                Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

                Personally I would prefer a 1 TB disk for scratch, even though it is somewhat slower than the Velociraptor, because of 3 reasons:

                 

                1. It is a lot cheaper.

                2. The fill rate is much lower, especially with large projects, offsetting the speed advantage of the Velociraptor.

                3. It has a 32 MB buffer instead of the 16 MB buffer on the Velociraptor.

                 

                Chances are that with 100GB in use, a 1 TB disk would be even faster than a 150 GB Velociraptor.

                • 5. Re: Check my rig
                  Ferdie2 Community Member

                  Sounds good.  Non Raptor it is then.  Thanks!

                  • 6. Re: Check my rig
                    Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

                    Ferdie,

                     

                    Just to make sure you understand my intention:

                     

                    1. 300 GB Velociraptor is great for OS & programs.

                     

                    2. For scratch I would use a 1 TB disk.

                     

                    Have a look at post #9 where I posted some HDTach results, http://forums.adobe.com/message/2301552?tstart=0#2301552

                    I think that will make it a bit clearer for you.

                    • 7. Re: Check my rig
                      Ferdie2 Community Member

                      Okay, so I'll go with:

                      300GB Velociraptor - OS/Programs

                      1TB Samsung F3 - Scratch

                      1TB Samsung F3 - Data

                       

                      Since I won't be needing RAID, do I have the best Mainboard?  I'm a little confused with all their P6 variations.

                       

                      Also, I'm going to be re-evaluating  my CPU cooler based on this report:

                      http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=285&Itemid=62&limit= 1&limitstart=16

                      • 8. Re: Check my rig
                        Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

                        For the mobo, look closely at the features. This is where they differ. Do you need IDE, do you need SAS, how many SATA ports do you need, do you need dual NIC's, do you need on-board sound, how many firewire ports do you need, etcetera?

                         

                        Probably a P6T-SE can suffice and is a lot cheaper than the WS Pro or WS Revolution.

                         

                        Interesting to see this report about CPU coolers. What always strikes me is that different sites come up with often conflicting results from their benchmarking. I mean, HDTach is HDTach, Atto is Atto, but with temperatures, that are so important for stability and longevity, you see such conflicting results and mostly lacking information on the tests and circumstances under which they were performed. It would be nice if all these sites were to report that tests were performed in a controlled environment with 21 degrees C ambient temperature, that the idle temperature measured was X degrees and after having run Super-Pi during one hour the load temperature was Y degrees. That would be worthwhile information.

                         

                        This site reports quite different results than AnandTech and other sites. Which one do you believe? I just don't know. Often these results leave out whether a cooler was used in 'push' configuration or in 'push-pull' configuration, even though this may make a 3 degrees difference, even when overclocked. Most of these coolers are quite good and the difference is whether you can overclock your system to 3.84 GHz or 3.92 GHz and run it in a stable fashion. Not the most interesting criterium for video editors I guess.

                         

                        Thanks for posting this link.

                        • 9. Re: Check my rig
                          Ferdie2 Community Member

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6679CR2.jpg
                          Smilodon case opens on both sides

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6682CR2.jpg
                          Added bracing and fans everywhere

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6675CR2.jpg
                          ASUS P6T SE

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6691CR2.jpg
                          The Core i7 is about the size of a Pentium 200MHz

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6705CR2.jpg
                          Huge.  Massive.  Vast.  Enormous.  Giant.  Mammoth.  Gigantic.  Colossal.  Gargantuan.

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6708CR2.jpg
                          Tiny.  Minute.  Small.  Little.  Petite.  Insignificant.  Infinitesemal.  Teeny.  Diminutive.  Microscopic.

                           

                          http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6718CR2.jpg

                          Even the GPU is overshadowed by it.  "It" being the Flux Capacitor.

                          • 10. Re: Check my rig
                            Ferdie2 Community Member

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6722CR2.jpg
                            It's 5 stories taller than the double height memory heat sinks.

                             

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6731CR2.jpg
                            The phalic opject can't even get into its own pants.

                             

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6743CR2.jpg
                            The GPU takes the place of the 3rd hard drive.

                             

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6746CR2.jpg
                            What?!?

                             

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6747CR2.jpg
                            C'mon!

                             

                            http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6748CR2.jpg
                            Five and a half hours later...

                            • 11. Re: Check my rig
                              Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

                              Ferdie,

                               

                              Thanks for posting these images. Quite illustrative. One question however, with the double height Kingston HyperX memory modules, did you have trouble installing these in the first bank because of the size of the CoolerMaster CPU cooler, or was it just easier to use the second bank? Do you still have the capability to add three more sticks?

                              • 12. Re: Check my rig
                                Ferdie2 Community Member

                                Did I use the wrong bank?  I have no idea what I'm doing.  I haven't built a computer since before the Pentium II.

                                 

                                The next 6gigs should be here early next week.  I'll let you know for sure, but it looks like it should clear.

                                 

                                http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6722CR2-1.jpg

                                • 13. Re: Check my rig
                                  Ferdie2 Community Member

                                  6 sticks fit with no problem.

                                   

                                  http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/ferdball/i7%20Rig/IMG_6751.jpg

                                  • 14. Re: Check my rig
                                    Harm Millaard CommunityMVP

                                    Good to know. I did not have any problems myself, but from various sources I heard about the difficulty of installing for instance the very high Kingston HyperX sticks with their heat spreaders in the first slot with some CPU coolers. Something I should have mentioned in the PC buying guide, had I been aware of such potential dififculties.

                                     

                                    You now have a very nice rig. Happy editing.

                                    • 15. Re: Check my rig
                                      Jerome M

                                      Based on post #9 with the CPU. Is that not a little too much thermal paste you applied? According to Noctua's instructions 4-5mm of thermal paste should be enough. Applying too much could cause ineffective heat transfer.

                                       

                                      It should look something like this

                                      • 16. Re: Check my rig
                                        Ferdie2 Community Member

                                        I did not know that.  Thanks.  I'll keep an eye out for abnormal temps.

                                         

                                        Also, you don't need to spen $6.99 on thermal paste.  A small amount come with both the CPU and the Heatsink.

                                         

                                        Lesson learned.

                                        • 17. Re: Check my rig
                                          Ferdie2 Community Member

                                          I just captured 2 hours of DV, encoded 33 movies to wmv, burned 11 DVD's, browsed the Internet, and copied 30 gigs to a USB drive all in about 5 hours.  The CPU hardly broke over 80% utilization.  With my old machine, I could have encoded about 4 movies before I got sleepy.  I love power.