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1. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Eric Addison Nov 14, 2009 11:48 AM (in response to skeeze)Is your program monitor display set to Highest Quality? Are you running PPro with the latest updates?
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2. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
count_schemula Nov 14, 2009 11:54 AM (in response to skeeze)What kind of CPU useage are you seeing? I doubt you are pegging 8 3.33GHz cores... but, is it pretty heavy useage?
Is the video smooth, but pixelated? or choppy and pixelated?
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3. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Powered by Design Nov 14, 2009 12:04 PM (in response to skeeze)Do you have your Highes Quality Checked ?
The one on the bottom is just for playback.
The one on the top is set for a final render.
On a side note.
With 2 Zeon's having 18GB each.
Since its DDR3 do you have 6 6GB sticks for each core ?
DDR3 needs to be ran in sets of 3's if i remember right.
Just curious: Glenn
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4. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Harm Millaard Nov 14, 2009 12:20 PM (in response to skeeze)You have some specs that require a bit more detail. Which CPU's are installed? Who did the overclocking? Where did you find 3 GB memory sticks for the 12 slots you have, or do you have a combination of 6x2 plus 6x4 GB? What is your disk setup? Any raids on what controller? What OS? What HP supplied software is installed?
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5. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM (in response to Powered by Design)I really appreciate everyone's quick responses to this...the winning entry goes to this reply, the playback quality was set to "Automatic", when I switched it to "highest", it plays back great...thanks a bunch!
On the memory question, I actually have 6 4GB sticks and 6 2GB sticks per HP's recommendation that all memory slots be filled...and I did verify it with some memory benchmarking utilities and it is indeed a bit faster (per the benchmarking, not necessarily application performance). Originally, I had just purchased 8 4GB modules. The HP workstation is pretty cool because most Intel chipsets with clock the memory down after putting in 24GB of ram, but this one has a BIOS feature that allows it to run at 1333. Very happy with the workstation so far.
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6. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 12:53 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)Thank you for your response...see my reply above on what fixed it for me, but to answer your questions, they are the 3.33 CPU's, no overclocking (can't do it with XEON's). Disks are not RAID as I haven't found that to help with encoding or video related tasks, but my c: drive is an SSD for fast boot and application launch speeds. All the HP drivers/software is installed.
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7. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Harm Millaard Nov 14, 2009 2:19 PM (in response to skeeze)So they are the 5590's, right? I would like to see how this system of yours fares in comparison to others. I appreciate it if you take the time and effort to run the http://www.ppbm4.com benchmark test and send the results to Bill. It only takes a couple of minutes.
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8. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
sync2rhythm Nov 14, 2009 4:41 PM (in response to skeeze)I am sooo jealous of your Rig!
I would LOVE to do one of our EX1/1080p projects on this thing and see how it feels in comparison to my (slow) Dell T3500.
Is this:
your personal Rig?
company Rig?
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9. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 5:38 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)Yes, 5590's, and I will run the test as I am very curious myself how it fares against other machines, will post in just a bit.
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10. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 5:42 PM (in response to sync2rhythm)Well, it is a personal rig, I do this as a hobby not as a profession. This is what I would call my once in a lifetime computer splurge, I have always in the past bought and assembled my own, but I decided to go for it this time....I still bought my own hard drives and memory since that made the cost really crazy with all HP equipment, so all in all it wasn't all that bad...about 10K...well realistically, I guess that is a little crazy, but I guess you only live once and I plan on using it for quite some time. Also, HP had a 25% off sale when I bought so it was hard to resist. The other good part is that when the six core processors come out, they should just drop right in, but that will be a while before I need to do that. The best part about the machine is how quiet it is, I got the water cooled version and you can barely hear it at all....I really like it and don't regret it.
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11. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Bill Gehrke Nov 14, 2009 5:44 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)WOW, I am jealous.
I truly second Harm's request that you run the Premiere Pro Benchmark PPBM, it may set some new records.
But I do have one comment, since it is a factory loaded computer I imagine that as usual they loaded it up with everything but the kitchen sink. How many processes do you have running in the Task Manager?
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12. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 8:26 PM (in response to Bill Gehrke)Here are my results...they look pretty good compared to couple I have seen, but I didnt' see a definitive list, hopefully those will be published.
On the factory loaded question, it really didn't have that much, just some HP tools, but no bloatware. I ended up installing Windows 7 from scratch anyway and installing just the drivers/utilities I wanted.
BZ800 HP, Personal or Computer ID
HP, Computer Manufacturer
HPZ800, Computer Model
46.6, secs Total Benchmark Time
1.6, secs AVI Encoding Time
24, secs MPEG Elapsed Time
21, secs Rendering Time
Intel, CPU Manufacturer
Xeon W5590 3.33, CPU Model
3.33, GHz CPU speed
2, Number of CPU chips
8, Total Number of Cores
36, GB RAM
4.2, APP Version PPBM4 DV
Win 7 64, OSVersion
SATA, OS Disk Interface
128 SSD, GB OS Disk Capacity
15000, OS Disk Speed
SATA, Project Disk Interface
1024, GB Project Disk Capacity
7200, Project Disk Speed
SATA, Preview Disk Interface
160, GB Preview Disk Capacity
Same as Project Disk, Preview Disk Speed
SATA, Output Disk Interface
1024, GB Output Disk Capacity
Save as Project Disk, Output Disk Speed
NVidia Quadro FX3800, Graphics Board
SSD for C:, water cooled..not using hyperthreading, Comment -
13. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM (in response to Powered by Design)FYI, the same thing does happen in AE, and the way to fix it their is to turn off Adaptive resolution...Adobe really needs to work on the OpenGL stuff.
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14. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Harm Millaard Nov 15, 2009 12:34 AM (in response to skeeze)There may be some other services to turn to manual or disable. Look here: http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htm
Thanks for the quick response and great results. Specially the MPEG encoding, which is the new top score. It shows the power of the dual 5590's.
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15. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
skeeze Nov 27, 2009 9:25 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)Harm, just curious, have you run benchmarks before and after turning off
the background services and does it make a significant difference in performance...espec
ially for high end systems with a lot of memory?
Thanks in advance
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16. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Harm Millaard Nov 28, 2009 12:49 AM (in response to skeeze)It helps a little bit, not very much. The impact is somewhat more discernable when you are strapped for memory and will have less impact with lots of memory like in your case. You may be pressed to notice any improvement.
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17. Re: Even with a dual Xeon Z800, AVCHD still not smooth, is this normal?
Bill Hunt Nov 28, 2009 9:29 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)It's rather like esoteric audio. Once one has a really good system, they can spend more $ and get tiny improvements. The ratio of $:return goes way up quickly. In the case of high-end computers, $ often = work. Once one is near the top, improvements come slowly, in tiny increments, and only with a lot of $, or a lot of work.
On a lower-end system, just 1GB RAM, or a minor CPU upgrade will often = vast improvements. On a high-end system, one might not even be able to detect improvements in the real world.
Good luck,
Hunt






