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1. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 1, 2010 1:30 PM (in response to hotphoto)There is an official name, but it is escaping me at this point. Curt Wrigley posted it some time back.
Basically, one is creating the illusion of 3D from still images. This ARTICLE will give you some tips on doing this. A lot of the success will greatly depend on the source image(s), that you are working from.
Good luck,
Hunt
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2. Re: Photo Effect
hotphoto Jan 1, 2010 6:58 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hey thx for the reply, sounds like what I want, I will give it a try and post the results...Happy New Year.If it works I will start calling it the Wine 3D Effect.
Phil
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3. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 2, 2010 7:23 AM (in response to hotphoto)Good luck, and let us know how it works for you. I looked for the "official" term, that Curt provided, but have not found that yet. Next time that I run across him in a thread, I'll ask. What I hate is that it was not THAT long ago. I could see how, in another thread, I could not come up with both Expanded and Extended Memory from the DOS days, but that was decades in the past. Gotta' find that term!
Hunt
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5. Re: Photo Effect
Curt Wrigley Jan 2, 2010 4:49 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)I dont recall the thread either. 3d montage perhaps?
Anyhow; here's some guys that are specialitsts at it:
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6. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 2, 2010 8:04 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)So Jeff, that would then be the Ben Curns Effect, as opposed to the Ken Burns Effect?
Nice link!
Thanks,
Hunt
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7. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 2, 2010 8:05 PM (in response to Curt Wrigley)Curt,
I could have SWORN that you posted the "official" name. Maybe I am confused on something else. Now, this is not totally unexpected, as I seem to have reverted to Bill Hunt, my moniker for decades on the Adobe fora - going back to the NTTP-only days.
Some days I do wake up and wonder who I am, but Adobe is really keeping me guessing.
Hunt
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8. Re: Photo Effect
Curt Wrigley Jan 2, 2010 8:10 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)LOL
Hey; Im a grandpa now so Im loosing brain cells pretty rapidly. I may well have known something a couple months ago that I dont recall now.
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10. Re: Photo Effect
Jeff Bellune Jan 2, 2010 8:52 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Do I know you guys?
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11. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 2, 2010 9:26 PM (in response to Curt Wrigley)wow, cool link !
I think I know some of how they do that...
I used to play around with a 3d rendering program called raydream designer. It was bought by Corel eventually and now you can get a scaled down version of the program with Corel Suite.
The program I had didn't allow camera movement...couldn't create a "video" of the 3d space. You could only render images from whatever camera you wanted...you make your own cameras and put them in the 3d space where you want, as well as lights and so on. You can take a photo of a person, draw a path around them using psd, make and save selection, and convert to adobe illustrator. Then you can use that AI file to create a shape in the 3d program that is exactly the same shape as the selection. Then you apply the image (psd) to the shape you made, which conforms perfectly to the 3d shape.
The 3d space has psd layers, based on a lot of different things like distance, luminosity, etc ...about 14 layers, that you can use to make selections. Then you drop whatever you want into those selections. So I guess this is the basics of that very cool magic photo thing. I never had the program that allowed for 'animation' of the objects and cameras, so I can only guess about that part of it.
Here's a rendered image from a 3d space using raydream designer.. The photo of fruit in bowl in back is just a psd image on a small 3d flat "wall" like structure as a skin. The guitar was made by using the AI file to make a shape the same as the guitar, and then the guitar psd picture was applied as a skin to that shape...much like you would with a person.
Add motion and I think you got some magic photos !
Rod
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12. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 2, 2010 10:51 PM (in response to able123)Hi
Better example: cause I wanted the guitar fruit thing to stay flat (have a plane on the surface...it was sorta an art thing)
This, however, was a splash screen for a database program
Greek-like. It's really the west side of Kauai...
Still a far cry from magic photos, but I go off on tangents sometimes
Rod
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13. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 3, 2010 9:25 AM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Jeff,
If you do, please do not admit such in public. It will only tarnish your reputation.
Hunt
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14. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 3, 2010 9:30 AM (in response to able123)Rod,
Princeville, or the new St. Regis?
Last two trips, we really didn't get much beyond Kapa`a. Haven't been up that way in too long. Looks like a view of the Na Pali Coast. Did you horizontally flip the view? I would have expected the coastline to be to the left.
Just curious,
Hunt
BTW - there was talk that Chef Jean Marie Josselin (A Pacific Cafe in Kapa`a founder), was opening up a new spot at/near the St. Regis. So far, I have not gotten confirmation on that. Man, I miss A Pacific Cafe.
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15. Re: Photo Effect
hotphoto Jan 3, 2010 9:44 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Thx to everyone I haven't tried them yet, I into finishing a proposal for a short docu. that I want to do this year and I have to get it done but the minute or should I say the next time I have a free 4 hours I will let you know and send an example of the results. Have a great 2010.
Phil
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16. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 3, 2010 11:23 AM (in response to hotphoto)Good luck with the proposal, and a Happy 2010 to you, as well.
Hunt
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17. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 3, 2010 11:28 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Bill,
Honestly don't remember the name of the hotel I stayed at. Was on small rise off beach, room had lttle terrace looking over part of the beach / ocean. I looked on the web and the reservation area of Princeville looks familar, and if the bathroom is on the right when you walk in, then that's where I stayed. How do I know the bathroom is on right ?
On last day of weeklong stay girlfriend and I are walking on the beach saying farewell to the island. Bags are packed and waiting in lobby area and we just need to grab carry-on stuff from room to be totally checked out and on way to airport. Flight in about 2 hours. Suddenly I (for the first time in many years of traveling) get the tropical trot warning signs. I mention to girlfriend and we start back to hotel. Walking calmly and with suave intent. It gets worse by the minute. I am now sweating but still calm. Then I start walking faster, and say, "Gee, honey, I think I'd better get to the room pretty quick." Then I start running ! She is lagging behind as I am a good sprinter. I get more panicky as I approach the beachfront area of the hotel and decide not to try for the room, but to go directly to the lobby where there MUST be a bathroom. I also decide, and this in a matter of seconds as I am running all elbows and knees full out, to cut through the "garden" area to get to the front of the hotel. I am barefoot.
Girlfriend has stopped jogging for form sake, not to alarm the other guests and probably wanting to distance herself from the maniac racing across the garden with an extremely anxious expression.
Then it happens. My foot hits something extremely hard and unforgiving in the plush carpet of grass. I go flying head first and dissapear behind some tropical bush. My girlfriend thinks to herself, "Oh my God, He's going to poop on the Lawn !" But I get up immediately, ignoring the now extreme pain in my foot, and bound forward, around the corner, into the lobby and, skidding to a stop, looking in all directions I spy the bathroom to the right and rush in. Everything in the lobby got quiet for just a half moment, and then things continued as before, as if nothing happened.
So I made it to the bathroom. Whew.
As I am still sitting down in the bathroom my foot blows up like a giant football and my small toe seems to be pointing in the wrong direction. Hmmm, looks like I broke the toe. Seems I ran into a sprinkler head buried in the grass. Now I can't get UP ...can't put any weight on the foot, and I wonder how long I can sit there before the last flight leaves for NY and the lobby people become suspicious that there is a new guest staying in the bathrooom.
Later on, at about 25,000 feet above the ocean, I am sitting with my leg straight out, near a door that says, "EXIT" (which nobody in their right mind would use IMO at 25000 ft), with a throb of pain surging through my foot with every heartbeat. I smile at the girlfriend and say, being sauve, "Hey, honey, that was some wonderful holiday, eh ?"
Shot was from helicopter, of the cliffs near that mountain that always has clouds on it, in the crater, which natives used to worship or something.
Rod
PS you made me hungry !
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18. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 3, 2010 11:30 AM (in response to able123)I have to add that I always get Kauai and Cabos San Lucas mixed up, as they were a year apart with the same girlfriend ...
Rod
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19. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 3, 2010 4:05 PM (in response to able123)How do I know the bathroom is on right ?
Going back decades, there was a popular song, "Bad Moon's On the Rise," by Credence Clearwater Revival. Because of John Fogerty's enunciation, most listeners thought that he was singing, "Bathroom's on the Right." Maybe the architects came from that era?
So I made it to the bathroom. Whew.
And along the way, you stopped to take that picture? What a trooper!
Shot was from helicopter, of the cliffs near that mountain that always has clouds on it, in the crater, which natives used to worship or something.
That would be up around Koke`e State Park, the "wettest place in the US," with Waialeale Crater and the Ana`hola Mountains. Now, if you were in Princeville, you were looking to the Southwest (probably more like South-Southwest, and the mountains should have been on the left - unlike that bathroom! I'd say that you did a horizontal flip, as you would have to have been on the rugged Na`pali Cliffs and quite far along the trail, to get the mountains on the right. Years ago, we hiked much of the Na`pali, just after they got the trail opened after Ineki wiped most of it out. Later, much of it slid again. Now, by the time that we'd gotten that far, we were down at the ocean level, but I do not think that there would an stonework way out there, unless it was built by the Menehunes, or some long forgotten race.
Nice shot however, I forgot to say that.
Though we've never stayed at Princeville, I now know that "the bathroom's on the right!"
Thanks,
Hunt
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20. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 3, 2010 4:07 PM (in response to able123)with the same girlfriend ...
So she stuck with you, even with that nasty limp? Must have been true love.
Never been to Cabo. Friend tells me there is some great golf down that way.
Hunt
PS - where's the bathroom in Cabo? One never knows, when one will need to know.
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21. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 3, 2010 6:57 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)haha...boy, all that brings back memories...
I don't know about the bathrooms in the lobby but the hollywood cafe, or whatever you call it, and the burger king, are right there on main street in Cabo. 10 blocks away there are (within a stones throw of the fancy hotels) steel corrugated shacks and dirt roads and no sewar and fresh water superstructure for the people.
We went on one of those four wheel motorcycle tours of the giant cactus plants and passed through some interesting local areas.
I hate to get on this rant, but when I was in Tahiti back in 1970 (and I'm sure it's been going on a long time) my wife and I were sitting on top of a volcano (yet another volcano ----and yes, I probably flipped that picture in Kauai ) at some nice little restaurant ( only one on top of the mountain ) ..overlooking the capital port , evening, quiet, nice chirping birds and fragrant breeze...candles on the tables...when about a dozen Texans came in with their wives (who had beehive hairdo's and wouldn't go in the water because they would ruin their hair (found that out later)) and they whooped it up and told high octane jokes and yelled at the waitresses like, "HONEY, WOULD YA ALL COME ON OVER HEEAAR AND GET RID OF THIS CANDLE THING" and so on, so that me and the wife snuck out onto the outdoor deck to have our coffee and dessert and so on...
The inequity of the wealth vs native conditions, the snide remarks made by the wait staff about the tourist they have to serve ( "Let's give them hot dishwater for the soup, they'll never know the difference" in French, thinking you don't know the language )....anyway, it sorta put me off travel ....
I don't do it anymore. You couldn't pay me enough to get on a plane these days ....haha...
Rod
ps remember when the 747 first class had a spiral staircase up to the piano bar ????
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22. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 4, 2010 4:38 PM (in response to able123)ps remember when the 747 first class had a spiral staircase up to the piano bar ????
Hey, you're stealing one of my best airline travel lines! I'm likely to file suit...
Actually, the 747 BC's had just gone into service. A client flew me to O`ahu to do an AV program of their national sales meeting. For reasons that I still do not understand, they booked me on FC out of LAX to HNL. I climbed aboard my first 747, and was directed to an area in the nose. I made myself comfortable and when we were airborne, the stewardess (they were called that back then) invited me to join the group upstairs in the piano bar. Now, I had flown Continental's first DC-10 between MSY and DEN, when they inaugurated the stand-up bar behind FC and the circular tables with swiveling captain's chairs in the forward cabin, but I'd never seen anything like that 747 BC. I climbed the stairs behind my stewardess to find Trader Vic at the piano. Soon, that area filled up and the mai tais were poured. Vic had just opened a restaurant in LA and had several ties to UAL, so they flew him back and forth for the first several flights. IIRC, the meal was from his restaurant's menu too. I heard that he did that trip many times, though he was not at the piano a week later, when I returned. A good friend was the captain on the last flight that Trader Vic played. My friend continued that route up until the 747-200's and then retired from UAL to open a camera shop, and play tennis at NO CC.
We still fly UAL and actually buy FC tickets (use our points for UK and Europe upgrades). Boy, how things have changed! Now, FC from the Mainland to HNL is not even Economy Plus to UK/Europe. There are no 747's, or even 777's on that route. If one is lucky, they can schedule a 767, but most ships are now 757 OW's and are looking quite tired. Even Hawaiian Airlines' highly touted PHX to HNL 767's FC is not that much. Only a handheld video player with about 4 old movies. We'd seen them all on the SFO to LHR flight 2 mos. before.
Now, UAL tells me that they have completed the upgrade of all FC seats on their entire fleet of 757 OW's (do not know about the LAX/SFO to HNL routes), and now all have layflats in FC and also in BC. They are working on their 767's and 777's now. We normally fly 777's BC across the Atlantic, so I cannot wait for BC to get layflats. In May, we'll see about FC in Mainland to HNL flights. Right now, no one is giving out that info, other than the company partyline, that the update is complete for the 757 OW's, but will not say if Hawai`i is included.
Yes, I remember the 747 BC's, and long for those days -
Hunt
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23. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 4, 2010 4:57 PM (in response to able123)RE: the tourists - we were dining in a favorite little French restaurant in Shepard's Market, Mayfair, two years ago. It was a busy night, and we were upstairs in a small dining room. There were two couples at a corner table. The women were from the US, but I could not tell if the men were UK or OZ. The women were screaming and shouting a good 20dB above the ambient noise level. Luckily, we were in the opposite corner. To distance ourselves from that group, my wife began conversing with the waitstaff in French. One poor 4-top (obviously UK), were seated besides this group. When any table would open up, farther away, they'd all grab their plates, their wine and their silverware, and move away. Before the end of the evening, they had been able to move right next to us, well across the room. Even from that distance, the racket from that table was unavoidable and uncomfortable. Just a very bad scene - way, way over the top with yelling, shouting and unbelievable laughter. When we left, my wife pulled aside the owner and offered condolences, in French. His reply was, "Americans!" though the men were possibly UK. Still, it was the women who insisted on creating such a scene.
Been there, experienced that. I just do not understand such behavior, but then I have been near such in the US too, so it's not just when they are abroad. We were dining at Viognier in San Mateo, CA. It's a very nice local fine dining restaurant with a killer wine list and an up and coming chef. There was a table of six, IIRC, seated away from us, but they were screaming and shouting too. I do not know if they were all drunk, or just lacking any sort of class. The waitstaff kept asking them to tone it down, to no avail. Finally, the owner came over, and threw them out. As they were paraded through the dining room, the entire room of patrons stood and applauded. We all just looked at one another and smiled. Hope that they were made to pay double.
When I review restaurants, one of the first things that I note are the ambient noise levels and the reflectivity of the various surfaces. And, if there are particular parties causing a ruckus, I cite that too. I'm just old school, but I want to do my fine dining amongst ladies and gentlemen. Being able to talk in quite tones and having my wife, or our guests hear, is important. Yeah, just old school.
Hunt
PS - obviously, you and I have no problem figuring out where the term, "Ugly American" came from. Gawd, I just wish that it wasn't so.
PPS - what were we talking about up-thread?
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24. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 4, 2010 6:07 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hi !
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PPS - what were we talking about up-thread?
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I don't know, but whatever keeps our minds off robodog1 and waHunt3 marauding in cyber space is OK with me.
subject: Photo effect...gives me a cool idea...easy docu - drama to do... like those PBS snippets that illustrate some clever person doing something unusually bright....with the tag line, " Be ....More Creative "... or ....." Be.....More Inventive "
There was the one where the little girl goes out to the barn at night with a flashlight and gets the rooster to start crowing by making the flashlight come up over the windowsill like a sunrise...
Annoying kid.
Anyway, you get a bunch of old Pan Am clipper ship footage (must be public domain by now and Pan Am is a dead duck, who could object ? ), the opulence and comfort factors....looks like you're in a nice living room in the air ! And contrast that to today's flying by going on the number 7 train during rush hour ( cheap sign taped to wall near door saying, " MAX - AIR FLY RIGHT ! " and do a magic photo effect out the windows so it looks like you're waaaay up in the air ..." and some kid in the corner, crushed by the crowd of raggedy dressed passengers, gets an idea ! Her eyes light up and a little light bulb goes on above her head.... and the next shot is the silver baloon thing flying off out of the backyard, and the words, " BE MORE.....AND GET A TALK SHOW" Sell it to SNL or late night talk show.
Sorry, going off on more tangents....hehe...
Quiet atmosphere: Cafe Des Artiste
Reflective surfaces (but worth it) : Oyster Bar Restaurant, Grand Central
mmmmmm, now I'm hungry again !
Rod
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25. Re: Photo Effect
Bill Hunt Jan 4, 2010 7:12 PM (in response to able123)Ah, the days of the Pan Am Pacific Clipper. Though I am not wishing that I was older, but that was an era, and I missed it. I have a few aloha shirts depicting those.
Just like the Union Pacific Big-boys, pulling Soldier Pass, I wish that I had seen and been around those.
Golden days of US transportation. I missed both, plus the days of the steam ships arriving at Aloha Tower. Unfortunately for me, I did not discover the Islands until some of those great days were history. I can only relive those days via the travel posters, and a few aloha shirts. Back when the Royal Hawaiian and the Moan Surfrider were the only landmarks on Wai`kiki, it would have been great to spend a month, steamer trunks, domestic staff, and all. Now, I feel lucky to get daily maid service in my US$1500/day room!
Ah, the "good old days... "
At least I got in, when I did, so I do have a frame of reference. Now, we've been going to the Islands for almost 35 years, and have seen all sorts of things - some good, but some bad. Luckily, we have been able to interface with many native Hawaiians, and have gotten several sides of the issues. I recall being in school, when Hawai`i was ushered in as a state. We celebrated and all wore leis that day. Little did I know then of the history of the Islands. Hey, I was in school in Mississippi, so even American History was a bit lop-sided. Now, looking back, much was left unsaid, or maybe unknown.
Much the same with French Polynesia. It sounded so wonderful, at the time. Little did most of us know. But that was then, and this is now.
Travel safely,
Hunt
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26. Re: Photo Effect
able123 Jan 4, 2010 8:51 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)HI
Well, it's good you travel. You like it and it's nice to have some decent people visiting around, being normal, enjoying the people, food / wines, that sort of thing. Most people I've met traveling have been great to meet and very few were the times when anyone was obnoxious or times when I didn't enjoy myself.
In fact, sometimes really great things happened unplanned for, like meeting the captain of the Univ. of SC oceanography boat in Papeete and going on a boat tour, and eating with the crew ! Wow ! Fun ! You should see how that boat steers...it's got propellors under the hull, facing down, front and rear, so it can crab sideways ! Steer it with a joystick !
History is weird. I once read a book from the British point of view, of our Revolution. Boy, talk about a contrast in perspective ! Who was that lady historian, became director of NY Public Libary...Her books about history are great...hmmm, damn, time to google...Barbara Tuchman...(sp?)...didn't google...she wrote really good history books...
Mississippi....hmmm, to be honest I was at Ft. Polk when drafted and when I flew away from that place (out of New Orleans airport ) I swore I would never go back there no matter what ! haha....Maybe it's time to reconsider.
Have a good trip.
Rod





