29 Replies Latest reply: Feb 16, 2010 11:11 PM by Giorgio1957 RSS

    help with blu ray

    Studio North Films Community Member

      Hi,

       

      I am new to blu ray and would like some info please, I have a project edited  with premiere cs4, on export I have 2 choices for blu ray- h264 bluray & mpeg 2- bluray, what are the main differences. Also will this also transcode the project ready to be burned in encore ??? I am looking for the quickest work flow, as I will be hopefully moving on to HD for most of my editing.

       

       

      any other help would be good.

       

      regards

       

      baz

        • 1. Re: help with blu ray
          Giorgio1957 Community Member

          mpeg2 is the quickest way to encode, as H264 takes more more times.

          I've read on the web (just read not tested) that mpeg is easily played by the most of BR player.

          Both exports are editable in encore, but you had to know, in case you have 5.1 dolby audio, you can't use Dynamic link but import, drag and drop audio file in its timeline track.

          If you're moving "old" movies to HD do not expect any sensitive changement.

          DVD will keep its own definition, as I said " from a donkey, you can't expect to have a racing horse"

           

          These are the first steps

           

          Ciao

           

          Giorgio

          • 2. Re: help with blu ray
            Studio North Films Community Member

            thanks for the info, What I need to know is when I import the project into encore, does the project require transcoding.

             

            baz

            • 3. Re: help with blu ray
              Giorgio1957 Community Member

              It depends.......

              You can choose if transcode your files or not.

              Example: if your project exceed the media capacity (too big for the DVD), you can trancode it to set the proper size.

              Otherwise you can also choose "not transcode": in this way nothing will be "touched" and you will create your DVD just adding chapters, menus or just burning your project directly.

               

              Ciao

               

              Giorgio

              • 4. Re: help with blu ray
                Studio North Films Community Member

                thanks for the quick response, I will try this soon.

                 

                baz

                • 5. Re: help with blu ray
                  Studio North Films Community Member

                  Hi,

                   

                  I have just imported a video file m2v and an audio file ac3 into encore, the total lenth is 45 mins 1920x1080p, the audio does not require transcode, however the video file must be transcoded, I have went into the transcoding settings and there is no option for dont transcode. Is there something i am doing wrong. please advise.the

                   

                  regards

                   

                  baz

                  • 6. Re: help with blu ray
                    Giorgio1957 Community Member

                    Usually, as default, .ac3 audio isn't transcoded.

                    About movie you can choose two option:

                     

                    File\Transcode Preset (something like this, I've an italian release)then you'll see, at the bottom of BlueRay window, do not transcode option.

                    You can also right click your file and choose not transcode from here.

                    Be carefull because in the default project windows you can see DVD settings, if you want to see BlueRay, you had to scroll rightward to find BlueRay.

                     

                    Ciao

                     

                    Giorgio

                    • 7. Re: help with blu ray
                      Studio North Films Community Member

                      hi, there is no option for dont transcode, only automatic and various output formats.

                       

                      baz

                      • 8. Re: help with blu ray
                        Giorgio1957 Community Member

                        So, step by step:

                         

                        you have all your files in the project window, ok?

                        now do this:

                        point the mouse arrow over the "to be transcoded" file, right click

                        choose transcode option (the first on the top) left click

                        a window appears with DVD on the top and BlueRay at the bottom

                        click over preset quality (the last one at the bottom)

                        a smaller window appears and, at the bottom, you must have not transcode (after automatic)

                         

                        This is what I'm seeing now on my project

                         

                        Ciao

                         

                        Giorgio

                        • 9. Re: help with blu ray
                          Studio North Films Community Member

                          hi,

                           

                          all i can see is

                           

                          1920x1080i 25 high quality  mpeg-2

                          1920x1080i 25 long form mpeg-2

                          1920x1080i 25 maximum quality mpeg-2

                           

                          Automatic 1920x1080i mpeg-2

                          Automatic using project settings.

                           

                          my video footage is Progressive and this option is only interlaced. could this be the issue.

                           

                          baz

                          • 10. Re: help with blu ray
                            Giorgio1957 Community Member

                            I do not have a progressive footage to check.

                            Could be, don't know.

                            Anyway let Encore transcode your movie, if it wants to

                             

                            Do a BlueRay folder or a Blue RAY Imagine first, in this way you'll see if everything is OK without wasting discs

                             

                            Giorgio

                            • 11. Re: help with blu ray
                              Studio North Films Community Member

                              I will try with a non progressive file, the whole idea was for quick workflow, I can encode projects very fast. did not want to wait hours to transcode a blu ray.

                               

                              thanks for you help. I will be in touch

                              • 12. Re: help with blu ray
                                Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                Are you working as mpegBlueRay or H264?

                                 

                                An H264 will take the entire night (more or less)

                                • 13. Re: help with blu ray
                                  Studio North Films Community Member

                                  hi,

                                   

                                  the file is MPEG bluray

                                  • 14. Re: help with blu ray
                                    Studio North Films Community Member

                                    ok people,

                                     

                                    I need to confirm if a mpeg-2 blu ray file must be trancoded in encore ???

                                     


                                    I have tried with a elemental mpeg-2 bluray & Adobe Premier Mpeg-2 bluray, when i import as assett into encore the video file still rquires transcode, the audio does not.

                                    • 15. Re: help with blu ray
                                      Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                      I'm working just right now at an mpeg2 BlueRay project in Encore.

                                      From Premiere I've exported it using default PAL HighQuality setting (downgrading the bitrate to 10 minimum, 20 target, 25 maximum).

                                      Imported as asset in Encore, video asked to be transcode but I have choosen NOT TRANSCODE as I told yesterday.

                                      Do not know where your "not transcode" is hidden

                                      • 16. Re: help with blu ray
                                        Studio North Films Community Member

                                        hi,

                                         

                                        I have just done several tests

                                         

                                        this is using xdcam hd footage 1920x1080p 25 HQ, Exported to AME using HDTV 1080i HQ, with export h264 in encore does not require transcoding, with mpeg-2 bluray does require transcoding, this could be due to the export type file. I will try with the same settings as you and see what happens.

                                         

                                        baz

                                        • 17. Re: help with blu ray
                                          Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                          Check first in Create\Verify Project: does the window display the project is bigger than the media.

                                          In this case you MUST transcode

                                          • 18. Re: help with blu ray
                                            Studio North Films Community Member

                                            hi, the project i am testing is only 1 min in lenth and only 150mb, I have just done another test with the pal setting as you, with 1920x1080. and it still requores transcodeing. I Have tried AME mpeg-2 bluray and elemental mpeg-2 bluray.

                                            • 19. Re: help with blu ray
                                              Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                              Transcode is sometimes absolutely important.

                                              Example: you can choose to export you project from Premiere as an uncompressed one.

                                              DVDs and Blue Ray do not read this format so you had to change it in a suitable format: this is transcoding.

                                              Another example is when you export a movie that exceed the media size (carefull: a 25 Gb BlueRay disc is not really 25 but more than 1Gb less),

                                              In this way, you had to resize the movie to be stored in a "smaller" media. This is another way when transcoding is needed.

                                               

                                              Hope it helps

                                               

                                              Giorgio

                                              • 20. Re: help with blu ray
                                                Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                Ok OK, I've answered while you were writing

                                                • 21. Re: help with blu ray
                                                  Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                  Could you upload this file?

                                                  You can send it via www.YouSendIt for free.

                                                  Send the file to your own email and place the link here on the forum.

                                                   

                                                  Ciao

                                                  • 22. Re: help with blu ray
                                                    Studio North Films Community Member

                                                    hi,

                                                     

                                                    this is a video file XDCAM EX 1920x1080p 25 HQ, if someone can try this in mpeg-2 bluray in 1920x1080 to see if it still requires transcoding or not when in encore.

                                                     

                                                    thanks

                                                     

                                                    http://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRKTlE1aWFGa1E9PQ

                                                    • 23. Re: help with blu ray
                                                      Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                      Well,

                                                      can't open original file with my sw players (QuickTime tells me there are some corrupted files, but, anyway, it does not matter).

                                                      So, this is what I've done:

                                                       

                                                      -Imported in Premiere without problems

                                                      -set the size as 92% so I can export without cuts

                                                      -output as "mpgeg2 BlueRay HDTV 1080i High Quality" without problems

                                                      -open Encore Project as mpeg2BlueRay 1920x1080

                                                      -imported new "premiered" file AS TIMELINE: audio does not need transcoding,  video needs transcoding

                                                      -changed transcode preset as "not transcode" (File\Transcode Preset\BlueRay window\ not transcode)

                                                      -puff........ video file does not need any transcode

                                                       

                                                      As I've said, be careful because, as default, in the project window, DVD SETTINGS APPEAR and NOT BLUE-RAY SETTINGS: you had to move\scroll to the right the Project window to see the BlueRay settings.

                                                      From the left to the right you'll see: Name-Type-Duration-DVD transcoding setting...........

                                                       

                                                      That's all.

                                                      No, that isn't all: congratulation, nice shot.

                                                      Now that's all indeed.

                                                       

                                                      Ciao

                                                       

                                                      Giorgio

                                                      • 24. Re: help with blu ray
                                                        Studio North Films Community Member

                                                        hi, I have the same issue as before, there is no dont transcode. I am running a matrox rtx.2 card, and quadro fx5800 with elemental plugin. one of these must be causing an issue or I will try and re install encore, I have all the recent updates. with h264 it seems ok only with mpeg-2 ???

                                                         

                                                        thanks for all your help.

                                                         

                                                        hopefully I will sort out soon.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        baz

                                                        • 25. Re: help with blu ray
                                                          Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                          Isn't there any "don't transcode" or do you see it but you can't click on it? (no highlighted)

                                                          If one of these questions should be your trouble, well, yes, I'd try a re-installation.

                                                          Not sure you'll be able to uninstall Encore only, I'm afraid you'll have to re-install Premiere and AME and..... also.

                                                          If this will be your decision follow these steps:

                                                           

                                                          1) uninstall

                                                          2) run Adobe CS4 uninstaller (sometimes you have to install a windows uninstaller too, but it will be asked if needed)

                                                          3) run Adobe CS4 uninstaller

                                                          4) run Adobe CS4 uninstaller (points 3 and 4 are not a mistake)

                                                          5) turn off every security software you have installed and disconnect from internet (if you have some autoupdating sw could be a serious problem)

                                                          6) run the installation (better if this is full) as ADMIN RIGHTS

                                                          7) go for dinner with the XDCAM movie leading actress (ops, no, you have more than one disc to insert) (anyway later.....)

                                                          8) install the updates (I prefer download them and install as ADMINISTRATOR).

                                                          Saving the updates will be helpful for future reinstallation (crossing the fingers)

                                                           

                                                          I hope have not missed any

                                                           

                                                          Ciao

                                                           

                                                          Giorgio

                                                          • 26. Re: help with blu ray
                                                            Studio North Films Community Member

                                                            hi,

                                                             

                                                            ok

                                                             

                                                            find the issue . the matrox rtx.2 drivers issue.

                                                             

                                                            I re-installed all of cs4 suite, and all worked fine, project in encore did not require transcoding, when i installed matrox drivers, the issue came project required transcoding. I have sent a email to matrox.

                                                             

                                                            just like to say thanks for all your help and info.

                                                             

                                                            baz

                                                            • 27. Re: help with blu ray
                                                              Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                              You're welcome.

                                                              Glad to have been helpful

                                                               

                                                              Ciao

                                                               

                                                              Giorgio

                                                              • 28. Re: help with blu ray
                                                                Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

                                                                Giorgio,

                                                                 

                                                                Glad that you stopped by, and then decided to stay for a while!

                                                                 

                                                                Good work,

                                                                 

                                                                Hunt

                                                                • 29. Re: help with blu ray
                                                                  Giorgio1957 Community Member

                                                                  Dear Bill,

                                                                  this makes me understand how is amusing and easy to take, seldom, a look to the threads giving answers when you want to, instead of being everytime on the forum with the goal to help everytime people who needs it.

                                                                  Yes, you can also take advantage of this (sometimes), but the time you "waste" is more than the knowledge you gain.

                                                                  Thanks for that, seriously

                                                                  Honestly for me this has been bit difficult and sometimes over my knowledges, but I'm not a pro. Is this the spirit of the forum? I think yes.

                                                                  I hope to be more helpful in future.

                                                                   

                                                                  Ciao

                                                                   

                                                                  P.S.: why do you spy MY threads?  Old snoop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!