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1. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bernd Alheit Feb 23, 2010 4:34 AM (in response to RobMcP)How did you convert jpg to pdf?
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2. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bill@VT Feb 23, 2010 5:33 AM (in response to RobMcP)Why not open the JPegs in a graphics package or even a word processor such as WORD and set the margins to 0 with no headers and footers, then print to the Adobe PDF printer with A4 as the page size? That is probably easier than what you did. Once you have a graphic in Acrobat the way you did it, it can not be resized. Another technique is to simply print the PDF you have to a new PDF with the appropriate size and use scale to fit.
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3. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
RobMcP Feb 23, 2010 6:30 AM (in response to Bernd Alheit)I converted jpg to pdf in protoshop cs4 using the save option, I then saved for web to bring the size down, then I combined the two pdfs into one pdf document. That's where it goes wrong and the page size increases.
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4. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bernd Alheit Feb 23, 2010 7:34 AM (in response to RobMcP)Combining 2 PDF documents doesn't change the page size. Can you post the 2 pdf files?
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5. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
RobMcP Feb 23, 2010 3:34 PM (in response to Bernd Alheit)Sorry for the delay in responding, this part of the site has been unavailable for me this afternoon.
Here is what I did, (I'm sure there are better ways of doing it, and I look forward to hearing them)
1. Create 2 jpg images in photoshop CS4 with text and lovely graphics (imagine graphics), page 1 and page 2 both images are saved & specified at 21cm x 29cm that is A4 (ignore typo 221cm)
2. Go to Acrobat pro 9 do Combine > Merge files into a single PDF
3 Merge both jpg images into a single PDF doc called Binder1.pdf
4. Open the pdf in Acrobat, whoosh it's enormous again, approx 87 cm wide
Doh! I think I understand what I have done wrong. I have now repeated the process several times, and somewhere along the line, although I changed the size of the jpgs to 21cm wide I must not have saved them/updated them at that size.
As a matter of interest can anyone tell me if you can specify the size of a pdf when you re saving it?
Thanks again
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6. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bill@VT Feb 23, 2010 5:33 PM (in response to RobMcP)The save feature of PhotoShop is giving JPegs as I understand it. Why not just print each JPeg from PhotoShop to the Adobe PDF printer. Then combine the 2 PDFs that are printed. You would then control the page size with the printer features. The aspect of importing to Acrobat gets into other issue. As mentioned, it is easier for us to help if we can see the documents you are dealing with. Thus, the JPegs and PDF files would help.
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7. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
RobMcP Feb 24, 2010 1:53 AM (in response to Bill@VT)Re the above, I used Photoshop to save jpgs, reduced filesize then saved as pdfs then merged the pdfs to one pdf.
I have attached the a set of files, however when I was removing some information to produce another example I discovered what I had done wrong.
(The test files used have been posted for info, Binder1 shows the error, Binder2 is ok)
These now work, Binder2, attached, works (almost) as I wanted it to, although the print quality is a bit poor, I need to find a more efficient way of doing this.
I would still like to know if it is possible to set a pdf document physical size at save time.
Another point above, I am not sure what is meant by print to PDF? Back to the manuals!
The problem with new software is that you have to break it to find out what you can and can't do.
I have another query about Acrobat and document distribution but will make a fresh post for it. Thank you for all the (very) fast helpful responses
McP
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MP-test-page1.jpg 16.9 K
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Binder2.pdf 62.5 K
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Binder1.pdf 552.0 K
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8. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bill@VT Feb 24, 2010 6:49 AM (in response to RobMcP)Here is a version with the form fields and 2 pages that is what I think you are looking for. The quality is better than the one page you did -- I think. If this is what you are looking for, then let's discuss the details of your workflow, since that seems to be the problem.
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Binder1_ReplaceSave.pdf 20.7 K
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9. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
joat-mon Feb 24, 2010 7:38 AM (in response to Bill@VT)When you use a jpg to make a pdf, it's an image file rather than a text document. Resolution (dpi) will dictate the print/display size. The jpg quality setting will dictate the file size. Since jpg files are already compressed and Acrobat can't compress them further without loss in quality, your jpg/pdf files will be huge. The big advantage of a pdf is to use the fonts you need, embed them in the document if you want, and have a compressed document of a reasonable size.
If your entire document is a jpg image and you want crisp text, it will be a huge file. Even white space contributes to file size. I would avoid using jpg for text. If for some reason you need to do it this way, go to Photoshop "image size" and adjust the image to the same as A4. Use the settings in Acrobat to play with file size vs readibility.
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10. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bill@VT Feb 24, 2010 9:02 AM (in response to Bill@VT)For some reason I am putting a lot of time into this. Anyway, if you convert everything you have to text and get rid of the graphics (your graphics also appeared to be 256 colors rather than B&W or grayscale -- increasing the size even more), then you simply have text and form fields. Using the form fields you had and moving them back onto the page and sizing appropriately, I ended up with the attached file. I changed the other info to a multi-line field, not scrolled for length, and changed the tab order. The text was obtained by OCR, other than the 2nd page that I just typed because the OCR messed up on that page for some reason. The result is clean. That would bring to question why you would use PhotoShop to create JPegs of text when you could have gone directly in text and had a small file. The previous post was the graphic form and still shows what can be done. Your graphic that I exported from
your PDF was 72dpi, but 34.4X48.7 ins. I scaled by .24 and changed the dpi to 300 (basically retaining the pixel resolution on the full page). The result was clean, even after making the PDF. So there are several things going on and I explored it to basically see if I could learn a bit -- and did. Hopefully the experience gives you some ideas.
If you were to have true graphics, I would still start out by printing to the Adobe PDF printer with the appropriate resolution (I used high print quality for this one) and B&W or grayscale if appropriate. If you really do not need the graphics, but have text -- maybe with a few graphics -- I would use a word processor to create what you want the look to be and then print to the Adobe PDF printer (or use the PDF Maker if available). Then add the form fields to the result. If you make revisions to the document file in the future, then simply print to the Adobe PDF printer to a new file name. Open the old form and then replace pages with the new file. That will retain the form fields. If you have more questions about work flow, then let's have at it. From what I can see based on what you seemed to want to do, your work flow made absolutely no sense and led to the huge files. I would say that 16k is a far cry from 553k (hopefully I am not getting files mixed up at this point).
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Binder1_Replace.pdf 15.0 K
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11. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
RobMcP Feb 24, 2010 10:08 AM (in response to Bill@VT)For some reason I am putting a lot of time into this
Bill don't say that,I REALLY appreciate any time you are spending on this for me.
This software is new to me, I bought it so I can do something for someone. However as with all new software there is a learning curve, and as part of that curve I am finding ways of how to do, and not do things.
I would answer faster to your replies, but for some reason about the same time each day this site (in the UK at least ) dies on me.
Unfortunately I was a bit naughty in attaching the files previously, I am producing a document for someone, so I had to remove personal data (and logos) from the attachments. So the files I posted were a bit rubbish.
What I am trying to do is to produce a several page PDF that can be downloaded from a website, it will have logos, some graphics pics maybe. Also it will have input fields name address shoe size, inside leg measurement etc.
This was the reason that I had to save as a PDF the jpgs, then merge to a single pdf.
A lot more complex that what I did earlier but I did get further with it. I need to look at the process for this. I am sure there are efficient ways of doing this, but I don't know them, for example I am not sure what you mean when you say use the Adobe printer.
What I need to do is to find the best way to create from scratch a form with graphics and input fields with corresponding lables, and the best (easiest) way to do this and with what software.
Talking about improving the filesizes, I originally had the two pages in very nice colours with all the fields and labels, but the two pages addded up to 8MB (probably because the page was about 80cm wide!)
Also can you suggest any books/locations that have training/reading matter on Acrobat Pro? I am currently working from Adobes classroom in a book, which is gret, but.....
If you can make any helpful suggestions (as you already have) I would be most grateful.
McP
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12. Re: PDF created is ENORMOUS! Why?
Bill@VT Feb 24, 2010 11:20 AM (in response to RobMcP)There are a lot of how to articles available at both PlanetPDF and the PDFZone, third party sites related to PDFs. Generally for forms, it is best to create the form (not the form fields) in another application. For many folks that would be WORD. Always keep the document you created so you can make changes in that document, not in Acrobat (not easy to do). You can include the graphics and all in your word processor or layout package (like InDesign or MS Publisher). It is best to properly size and set the properties of the graphic before you import it to the application. That way you optimize the size, while retaining the best resolution for the given size. After you have everything in your file, you can then print to the Adobe PDF printer. That is the standard way to create PDFs. With PhotoShop, you were not using Acrobat with the save, but a PhotoShop feature. Sometimes the save or export to PDF work better and sometimes worse than the print. The print also has options of different job settings that include what fonts would be embedded and such. I use a job settings file that comes from a publisher and was optimized for online journals.
You can then add the form fields to the PDF that you create. The form fields can be created either in Acrobat directly or in the link to Designer. Once you go to Designer, you will no longer be able to edit the PDF in Acrobat. I find the form tools in Acrobat more straight forward to use, but then I was brought up on them so to speak. I have found the tools in Designer a bit confusing, though I think they are more flexible once you figure out how to work with them. So I would not say either tool set is better, but rather offer different workflows that meet varying needs.
In Acrobat, if you need to update the background that you had printed before, you simply fix the original document and print to a new PDF. Then open the old form with the form fields and use Replace Pages to put the new pages in place of the old. It only replaces the document part, not the markup that constitutes form fields. Of course, you may have to move the form fields around and such, but the basic structure will still be there.
By using an application such as a word processor, you make your document creation simple (you may want to select the Adobe PDF printer while editing in the word processor since many word processors reflow the document content based on the attached printer). It is usually a lot easier to control the content in a word processor or layout program than in a graphics package or Acrobat. The graphics package might be used to optimize the graphics you use, but not form making the basic form background. You then use Acrobat to place the form fields.
We can discuss form submission and such things separately if you want. There are different aspects there that you should be aware of before you go too far. Right now I hope I have given you an appreciation for the workflow issues that may help in your form creation.



