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    Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow

    the_wine_snob Community Member

      Everyone wants the highest quality that they can obtain when doing their videos. It’s natural to want the best. Well, when dealing with still images, bigger is not necessarily better, for two reasons. First, overly large still images can really tax a system and second, one is limited to the frame size of the video, so these have to be resized somewhere - this resizing can be in the NLE (Non Linear Editor) program, or in an image processing program like PS (Photoshop), which does a better job anyway. Doing this in PS, or PSE, will result in better resized images, and they are easier for the NLE to work with. Quality is as high as your Project’s Preset will allow, and you are more efficient, with fewer crashes, slowdowns and hangs. It is a win-win situation.

       

      Here is my normal workflow when dealing with still images. This workflow is for NTSC 4:3 720x480 with a PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio) of 0.9. If your Project’s Presets are different, use those specs to resize to.

       

      Since I shoot my still images in RAW, I Copy my files from the CF card to my system and catalog these images by location, subject and date (if necessary). I’ll do a quick conversion and Save_As Adobe DNG for backup. I then process these RAW images in PS with the ARC (Adobe Raw Converter), correcting them and then doing a Save_As PSD into a sub-folder. All of this is in my still photo library.

       

      Normally, I will edit these PSD’s to find the images that I wish to use in a Video Project, and will Copy the selected images to another folder. You’ll see that I work with a lot of Copies, so my original files are always untouched and stored elsewhere. This guards against anything happening to them.

       

      At this point, I’ll decide how I wish to use these selected images in my Video Project. Let’s just say that they are all horizontal images, and are still full-size from my camera. As stated, my Video Projects are DV-NTSC 4:3 720x480 PAR 0.9. [Remember, your Video Project may vary, so you will need to plug in the dimensions for YOUR Video Project in that case.] I also will have done my Cropping on each image individually, to get them to 4:3 Aspect Ratio. I do this my eye and by hand, rather than via an Action, because I want full aesthetic control.

       

      In PS, I have a set of Actions for Video. An Action is like a Script, but less powerful and less involved in the writing. As I have already done all of my image enhancements and additional processing before I did my Copy to the selected folder, I only have to worry about my Action resizing these selected images for use in my Video Project. My Action here is to resize to 720x480 with a PAR of 0.9, and I normally use the Action that does this with a particular resizing algorithm, Bicubic-Smoother (though I also use Bicubic-Sharper on occasion).

       

      For the next step, I go to my folder structure (remember, this folder contains copies of my selected still images in PSD format), and create a new sub-folder "[Project Name]_720x480." Back in PS, I choose File>Automate>Batch. Here I set my Source Folder, my Destination folder and the Action to perform. In my case, it’ll be the Destination Folder, that I just created, [Project Name]_720x480, and my Action will be my NTSC 4:3 720x480 Smooth. I check to have the Open command by-passed, because I do not need to see this take place on my monitor. When I hit OK, PS grabs all files in my Source Folder, runs the commands of my Action and does a Save_As for all files into my Destination Folder. I can process hundreds of large images down to a great 720x480 PAR 0.9 via Bicubic-Smoother interpolation, in moments. Now, I’m ready to go. Last, I Copy my Destination Folder to my Video Project’s folder hierarchy (usually on another HDD), and then Import these processed stills into my NLE.

       

      What if I need to pan on one, or more of these images, while they are zoomed out completely? I don’t have enough pixels in my horizontal dimension to do this. I am just filling the frame with my still. Well, if I find that there are such images, I go back to my folder with the full sized images in my still images library, and select the ones that need to be larger. I run another Action on these, but it’s one that resizes to something larger than 720x480, say 1000x750. Now, I have another Destination Folder with the name [File Name]_1000x750. I’ll Copy this over to my Video Project, and Import these into the NLE. Here, I can go to Project Panel and remove the 720x480 versions if I so choose, but since a Premiere Project file (.PRPROJ or .PREL) is only an XML database, I may just leave them. It does not contain any media files, just links to where they are on the system and to what operations are performed on them.

       

      By doing my resizing in PS, rather than in Premiere, I have accomplished two things:

       

      1.) I have better quality resized images, using the algorithms in PS, plus have a choice of several interpolation methods to work with.

       

      2.) I have lessened the processing load on my NLE and on my system, while doing the editing

       

      I get higher quality and lower resource overhead - hence my reference to "win-win."

       

      Now, back to my aesthetic control. I do not do any automatic zooming or panning. If one allows the NLE to do this, then they will want to probably process all of their images to 1000x750 (remember, this is for an NTSC 4:3 Project, so you will need to calculate what YOUR Project will require).

       

      The two programs that I use are Photoshop and Premiere Pro, but Photoshop Elements can do the same things, though the exact commands might be different. Premiere Elements will handle the resized still images, just like Premiere Pro and the only difference will be the terminology used when one wishes to Import the still images.

       

      I also keep all of my images in .PSD (the native format of PS), and do not convert to JPEG, or other. If one’s camera shoots only JPEG, I suggest writing the Action to do the Save_As to .PSD, as another JPEG compression will cost one quality. Yes, the JPEG’s will be smaller, but remember we are looking for the ultimate quality, so larger file sizes are just part of that equation.

       

      One does not have to deal with all of the Copies, as I do. However, this allows me to go back to the originals, or to the processed full-sized .PSD’s at any step along the way. There is only one thing worse than not being able to go back to an intermediate version with full Layers and Adjustment Layers, plus any Alpha Channels, and that is finding out that you’ve lost your original RAW and DNG backups! That’s why I do a lot of Save_As and also work from Copies all along the way.

       

      Hunt

        • 1. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
          kugar13 Community Member

          Amazing article Hunt! Thanks!!!!

          • 2. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
            KLloyd1018

            Thanks for sharing. That's some great information. Unfortunately, I may have read your post too late. I am all but finished with a lengthy slideshow using large still images in PE 4. I did not resize my images before I started the project. Can I resize them now in Premiere? Or do I have to start the whole project over using new, reduced files?

            • 3. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
              the_wine_snob Community Member

              One can Scale (Effects>Motion>Scale)/Scale to Fit in PrE. Just be aware that large images will likely not look quite so good (will be close), when doing the resizing in PrE, rather than PS/PSE, and there will be more processing overhead on the system. If things do work fine (it means you have a stout computer), only the slight quality loss would come into play. If you start running low on resources, first close out of every unnecessary program, and try again. If there are still issues, you will need to resize your images outside of PrE.

               

              What I would do would be to close PrE, after I did a Save_As for the Project's .PREL file. This ARTICLE will explain that in a bit more detail. You will want to work from that "Copy" in a moment.

               

              With PrE closed, go to the image editor of choice, i.e. PS/PSE and resize your original images. If these originals were used in the Project (not Copies), I would actually make Copies elsewhere, and resize those. Save your resized images into a separate folder with the same exact file names, as those that you Imported into PrE - exactly the same file names. Once resized, Move the original files, that you Imported into PrE into a separate folder for safe keeping. Move your resized, and precisely named files into that now empty folder. This will be where PrE will look for your still Assets. Note: if you Imported from many different folders, you'll have a bit more work to do, as you will want to place only the resized files into the appropriate folders.

               

              Once done, launch PrE. At the Project dialog screen, Open your Save_As Project (not the original). PrE should have no problem finding all of your newly resized stills, and linking to them, as they have the same exact names and location, as the files that you originally Imported into the Project. At the worst, you might have to help PrE locate a few of them.

               

              Now, the reason that we did this from the Save_As version, is that if anything did go wrong, you still have the original .PREL file, and you would then only reverse the Moving of the original Assets to get back to it. I like to have backups, just in case.

               

              Good luck, and if your Project and computer are not crashing, or hanging, I'd let it go this time. It'd be something to think about for the future.

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                KLloyd1018 Community Member

                Okay, that makes sense. My computer hasn't showing signs of slowing yet, so I think I'll try burning it tonight just to see if it can make it through with the larger files before I try substituting the files.

                 

                Out of curiosity while I was waiting to hear back with your suggestions, I tried recreating the project with only a handful of pictures. Instead of reducing the pixels of each picture in PS, I just exported them with Picasa 3 and used Picasa's automated feature to reduce the file size (Image Size Options: > Resize to: > 800 pixels and Image Quality: > Automatic). However, when I previewed the slideshow in Premiere, the resolution was still poor. Does that mean that Picasa's automated feature isn't sufficient for this problem?

                 

                And if I batch process all the pictures in PS, will it correctly size both horizontal and vertical pictures in the same batch? Or do I need to process them in two separate batches?

                 

                Thanks for your help!

                • 5. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                  the_wine_snob Community Member
                  Does that mean that Picasa's automated feature isn't sufficient for this problem?

                   

                  Unfortunately, I cannot answer that. I have never used Picasa, and do not know anything about its algorithms. All of my tests have been done in PS and PrPro.

                   

                  Sorry,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                    jengerer Community Member

                    I'm a newbie to video and have only done a couple of small projects in Premiere Elements.  I now have access to PPro and have a project that will involve a lot of stills  - both digital and scans of 4x6 prints.  When I import to either PE or PPro, I assume I need to resize to 740x480 and change the Pixel Aspect Ratio to 0.9 in Photoshop before it import.  What should I do about pictures that are already cropped to 4x6?  Thanks!

                    • 7. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      This will depend on exactly what you have, and how you wish to display it on-screen. With NTSC 4:3, you are correct as to the Frame Size - 720x480 PAR = 0.9. With the 4" x 6" images, I'd scan to TIFF and then Open them in PS (Photoshop). You now have a choice, and the image will dictate what I would do. If the subject matter can easily be cropped to the 4:3 Aspect Ratio, I'd just do that. If not, you can do one of two things:

                       

                      1.) Keep the Aspect Ratio the same, and then Pan across the image.

                       

                      2.) Create an abstract backgroun image (or just leave the black bars top & bottom), and size the width to the 720 pixels.

                       

                      Again, the subject matter would dictate which method I chose.

                       

                      Now, one consideration as to the exact sizing: the 720x480 is equal to your Frame Size, but you CAN add a Pan, when zoomed out, by increasing the image's dimensions to accommodate that. The general rec. is to size to 1000x750 as a max. so you can Pan on a Zoomed out image. I size up, just the images, that I will want to do this on. Otherwise, I go with the Frame Size.

                       

                      I am also a big fan of a .PSD workflow. Part of this is because I often have Layered images, and want to animate each Layer individually in PrPro. For images with no Layer animation, I just Flatten, and keep things in .PSD form. I never convert to JPEG. My TIFF scans all end up in .PSD format. That is my workflow.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                        jengerer Community Member

                        Thanks for your help!

                        • 9. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                          You are most welcome.

                           

                          Happy editing,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                            simon heffer

                            Hey Hunt,

                             

                            [I'm following on from by PRE7 crash thread].

                             

                            I see you mention Project presets and resizing to reflect them. Now I had started off in PRE7 using output from my Sony XR200 ie AVCHD format and had set the project up accordingly.

                             

                            But I must admit I'm more than a little unsure as to what the project presets are for.  Most seem to associated with input format which of course doesn't make a lot of sense when considering a slideshow of stills as none are in any 'video' format. If the resulting video is only going to be shown on a PC/website then what difference does PAL/NSTC make? (Too many questions!)

                             

                            <Awaits link fest on video formats...;)>

                             

                            Cheers,

                            Si

                            • 11. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                              Simon,

                               

                              The Project Presets establish things like the Frame Rate and Frame Size (NTSC & PAL differ in both of these).

                               

                              For stills, you will want to check out the Frame Size, and also the PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio), and use that data to determine the resizing of your still images. I resize to the exact Frame Size and PAR, unless I know that I will need to pan on a zoomed out image. Some just allow a bit of "wiggle room," and resize up slightly.

                               

                              If you have no Video, you could use a Preset that gets close to your Output. With Video, you want to set your Preset to exactly what your footage is. Now, PrE does not allow for easy Custom settings with Project Presets, so you'll probably only be able to get close, maybe a DV Project Preset, even if your going to something like 320 x 240. PrPro allows one to do Custom Presets, via their Desktop Mode, but not PrE.

                               

                              The resizing outside of your NLE is to get the best quality. As I use Photoshop, I work in the .PSD format, and keep that all the way into my Project. Some like the smaller size of JPEG, but I do not use that, unless I need to put my stills onto a Web site. Some like JPEG, but I do not.

                               

                              Hope that this helps,

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                Bryan Chilcher Community Member

                                I have always found that when working with stills in Premiere, it is best to have them as close to the size they actually appear on-screen. For example, since you are only displaying them at 20-30% of their actual size, perhaps you should be saving them out of Photoshop at closer to 320 x 240 resolution (or 240 x 320 in your case). Just a thought.

                                 

                                If I do not plan on zooming in on a still, I find that using the "default scale to frame size" option in the General Preferences tab suffices for the web-only stuff I've been doing lately. I'm sure it's not as good as Photoshop's algorithm for resizing, but it does a pretty decent job and it's quick and easy.

                                 

                                -BC

                                • 13. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                                  Most of your comments, I do agree completely with.

                                   

                                  I am less a fan of Scale to Frame, or using Effect>Motion>Scale in any NLE. I feel that the best results, and control, come from a program like PS.

                                   

                                  Now, I do resize to my Project's Frame Size, unless I have reason to do otherwise. Even then, I will judge my exact resizing for my individual images' needs, and resize to that. Since I work with Projects with thousands of still images, I do not want to have many more pixels to process, than I actually need.

                                   

                                  The resizing algorithms in an NLE usually pale to those in an image-editing program, and there is less control, than say Photoshop.

                                   

                                  Otherwise, I do agree,

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                  • 14. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                    klfi Community Member

                                    Dear Hunt,

                                    great article and thread.

                                     

                                    What do y think about my workflow, which is in general similar (as for my understanding) exept that i use as final result in PPro or Elements JPEG-files.

                                     

                                    1. in Lightroom (LR) import from camera RAW formate and convert to DNG and use the selected DNG for archiv.

                                    2. in LR and chose in LR on DNG-files i do changings, color corrections, curves, and final cut the pic in a way i want (independent from PRo Project format).

                                    3. after finishing i export in LR to new folder all pics automaticly in size 1920x1080 JPEG (quality +/- 60-70%). The result will be that all files will have the size: wide yy (various) x high 1080;

                                    4. creating PPro project 1920x1080.

                                    5. import new JPEG folder which was created described in 3.

                                    6. in PPro i use zooms, movements, music and so on. special effects i ony do described in 2.

                                    7. final export for examel MPEG 2 BR... my individual fotoshow is ready.

                                     

                                    Becouse of 3. export from LR in PPro projekt all files have - as i expected - high 1080, the wide is different, maximum 1920,  often smaller, depending how i cut them described in 2.

                                     

                                    May you may explain there difference in the pic quality is. Mention that those JPEG will not be printed but only used for a fotoshow on a LCD-TV.   

                                     

                                    I once in the past tried out exactelly your workflow and i also used .PSD as footage in PPro. The total project size grew up very big becouse of the lage .PSD.

                                     

                                    Thanks for your comments and point of view

                                    klfi from austria   

                                    • 15. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                                      Your workflow looks good. I do similar, but use PS, in lieu of LightRoom. I also do DNG's for my archives.

                                       

                                      Provided that one chooses a JPEG compression algorithm setting that does not do too much compression, I doubt that anyone, but the most very critical, could tell the difference in Video. Most of my tests on PSD vs JPEG have been for print. There, one can more easily detect the differences. Video "hides" some of that.

                                       

                                      To date, I have not had a Project where the Asset size differences between equally sized PSD's vs JPEG's caused any slowdown, or problem. There could be a resources savings with the smaller JPEG files, but there is a tiny bit of overhead dealing with the JPEG compression. I have never tested this, so can only guess that the smaller Asset size of the JPEG would trump that overhead - just a guess on my part.

                                       

                                      For me, keeping the images in PSD does save a tiny bit of work in my Action (basically one less operation to perform), but I doubt that one could measure that time difference, even over the automation of hundreds of images. Besides, it's only one additional line in the Action. My feelings on JPEG vs PSD is firmly based in my print experience, and I am probably being too critical with images going to video. When I move up to HD and BD authoring, I need to apply a very critical eye, to see if I can tell the differences on an HD TV. So long as one does not apply too much JPEG compression, the differences should be very slight, at the worst, and maybe not even noticed, at best.

                                       

                                      I do minimize the impact of many files on my Project by sizing to what I need. If I will not be doing any pans on zoomed-out images, I size to my Project. For pans on zoomed-out images, I calculate just what I will need for those pans, and might end up with several groups of sizes, to accommodate each. Still, the vast majority will be sized to exactly what I need for the Project - very few extra pixels.

                                       

                                      In my case, and yours too, I have my RAW, my DNG, my working Layered PSD's, and then my sized output. I always keep all working PSD's, as I might change my mind, or my client might change theirs, and I do not want to have to go back and redo work, if I still have those working files. I also do as little destructive editing, as I can, using Dupe Layers, and Adjustment Layers, whenever possible. If I can, I never Flatten, or Merge Layers, so I can make any/all changes at any time, and only have to do the resizing via the same Actions. That is basically a "one-button" solution, once I have made the changes required.

                                       

                                      Good luck,

                                       

                                      Hunt

                                      • 16. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                        Cicada_17

                                        Bill,

                                         

                                        When you resize your images to 720 x 480 , what resolution do you use?

                                         

                                        Is there a way to compress the file to send via email?

                                         

                                        Randy

                                        • 17. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                                          If Video, resolution is of no consequence, as it is just pixel x pixel that counts. DPI/PPI are meaningless, and will be disregarded. I leave it set to 72 ppi, just out of habit. DPI/PPI only matter with printing of display outside of Video. Were I doing a multi-use project, where a client would also need to do printing on a desktop, I might get lazy and leave the resolution at something like 200-240, but would probably just do a separate Export/Save_As from my PSD's in PS to say TIFF, or PDF. By keeping my working .PSD's, it's easy to do multiple spec. Save_As operations.

                                           

                                          Good luck, and hope that this helps,

                                           

                                          Hunt

                                          • 18. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                            Schilfers

                                            If you resize to 1920 x 1080i and make a HD video from it and then use Nero to make a normal DVD out of it,then I guarantee that the result is much better then if you work immediately in 720 x 480

                                            • 19. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                                              If one is doing an HD Project, then the Frame Size of that Project should dictate. If one has mixed Assets, SD and HD, then the Video Assets should dictate the Project Preset and the pixel x pixel dimensions of the stills.

                                               

                                              It is not a good idea to either Scale up, or Scale down, in the NLE. If one has a 1920 x 1080 Project, and the Video matches, then the still image sizes from PS should reflect those settings. If one is doing a BD-bound SlideShow, with only still images, one would ignore the main tenant of Project Presets, by choosing the best BD quality, and then Scaling the still to match that. Normally, and with Video, the resolution of that Video should dictate. This is the exception.

                                               

                                              Hope that this is clear. The sizes in the original article are reflective of DVD-Video (SD) Projects. When one gets to HD, then sizes increase, to match the BD Project.

                                               

                                              Good luck,

                                               

                                              Hunt

                                              • 20. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                SFL46 Community Member

                                                This is an interesting thread.  I had one addition to suggest.  A poster named "Curt" posted a similar entry which was also based on Photoshop--one of the items Curt recommended, which is great if one works in raw, to process the still images in 16 bit mode through the processing and resizing, sharpening, and then prior to saving the image, converting back to 8 bit.  This approach allows photoshop the maximum amount of image detail to work with, and still end up with a 8 bit image for use in Premiere.

                                                 

                                                I've been using this approach and I see a definite improvement in quality (assumes that the "quality" is in the original image).

                                                • 21. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                  Schilfers Community Member

                                                  I just finished a slideshow in Proshow Producer in a HD 1920 x 1080 project. Have rendered to a BluRayvideo 1920 x 1080. Imported this *.m2ts file in to Nerovision and made a DVD 720 x 576 from it. Quality is much superior then the previous show which I made with 720 x 576 pictures and burned to a DVD. Seeing is believing. If you don't take my word for it then try it!! Much better result by resizing the video then by resizing the pictures !! Believe it.

                                                  • 22. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                    The use of 16-bit, when working with RAW is a good suggestion. I do everything in 16-bit, and the conversion to 8-bit is handled as part of my Action. I keep 16-bit, until I must go to 8-bit (many Filters are still 8-bit only). Obviously for video, one MUST have 8-bit RGB.

                                                     

                                                    Some corrections are also better done in LaB, or other Indexed Color Mode. Again, one must leave this Mode, before going to video.

                                                     

                                                    Good luck,

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 23. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                      HD, from beginning to end, will always be better than an SD DVD Project.

                                                       

                                                      The ProShow group of programs get very high marks for their ease of use and the quality of output.

                                                       

                                                      Hunt

                                                      • 24. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                        Wucky Community Member

                                                        Hunt (and others)   ---  this is a very helpful thread.

                                                         

                                                        I have a question.    I'm doing a project   16x9 HD   HDV 1080i.  As I'm putting in hundreds of stills, I want to down res them before bringing them onto the project.   The images are all JPGs   ...  cropped to varying sizes.

                                                         

                                                        Excluding the video software, I have Photoshop (CS3), Photoshop Elements (7) and Lightroom (2.6) I can use.

                                                         

                                                        That size or resolution do I want to adjust them to?  (again, they have already been cropped t the size I want the image)   ???

                                                         

                                                        Of the three tools I have, which do you recommend I use (I have hunderds of images.  I can write an action in PS, if that's best)

                                                         

                                                        Please advise.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Thanks,

                                                        • 25. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                          If your Project is 1440 x 1080, I'd go with those dimensions for all images where you will not need to Pan on a Zoomed out image. For those, I calculate my movement, and then set the pixel x pixel dimensions to give me the movement that I need. You could probably limit those to say 2000 x 1500. If you find that you need larger images for some, I would limit that size to only those particular images. For 1920 x 1080, just bump things up to match.

                                                           

                                                          The DPI/PPI has no use. Just to keep it simple, I would set that to 72, as it should be the most common default.

                                                           

                                                          If you are starting with JPEG images, I would think about doing the Save_As to PSD, rather than re-compressing to JPEG a second time. Do a test, as see if you can see the difference.

                                                           

                                                          I have not see Lightroom, since it was a beta, so do not know of its capabilities. For Scaling of still images, I only use Photoshop. Since you do not have a PAR issue with the HD Project, PSElements should do nicely.

                                                           

                                                          Good luck,

                                                           

                                                          Hunt

                                                          • 26. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                            Schilfers Community Member

                                                            I always use VSO Image resizer to do a lot of pictures in one time.

                                                            Saves a lot of time and works very good

                                                             

                                                            Roald

                                                            • 27. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                              I've never tried that program. As I always do my final tweaks in Photoshop, I am already there, and have my Actions all set up, so it's just one click away.

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for the rec.

                                                               

                                                              Hunt

                                                              • 28. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                Dennis_AandJ Community Member

                                                                Hello everyone,

                                                                     I have created a line diagram with text in AI and brought it into PPro (both Cs4) in the source monitor it is nice and clear but it looks blury in the program monitor and when output.  I have tried Jpegs, Tiff Targa BMP with no change. The image size is 1280x720 for DV NTSC widescreen. Any thoughts? I'm stuck.

                                                                • 29. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                  I find that it is better to do the Rasterization of AI Vector artwork in PS, rather than letting PrPro (or PrE) do it. The processing algorithms are better in PS. I just Save_As PSD for Import into my NLE program, and not JPEG, as I do not want any more processing, or compression, than is absolutely necessary.

                                                                   

                                                                  Good luck,

                                                                   

                                                                  Hunt

                                                                  • 30. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                    Wucky Community Member

                                                                    So, I tried the VSO Image resizer and found it simple to use.  It seems to be fine, thanks for the

                                                                    recommendation.   I think Photoshop might provide better control, but for the purposes of this project, this VSO Image is convenient.

                                                                     

                                                                    Turns out I still have a problem with two of the images (jpg format)

                                                                    1) I bring them onto the timeline just fine.

                                                                    2) Then, I save as a clip ("share" tab) the entire project  (which is approx 3 1/2 minutes)  in MPEG2 1440x1081i 30 format.

                                                                    3) I then bring that movie clip onto a different ---  what will be the final --- project.   I bring on a few other segments as well  (finished project will run approx 20 mins and consist of six segments)

                                                                     

                                                                    Where two of the images are supposed to be shows a solid, bright orange screen, not the still images.  I've gone back and checked, the organe screen space is exactly where these two images are on the original projects ...  they even have transitions (cross dissolve) into and out of them!

                                                                     

                                                                    I have tried removing them and replacing them and changing the transitions, etc.  However, when I re-save  (share) the clip, where these images are still shows up orange. 

                                                                     

                                                                    I've seen this happen with a couple images on a different project.  Same story   . .    only a couple images create the issue, and I believe I've processed all that same  (did batch process to down res)

                                                                     

                                                                    Thoughts?

                                                                    • 31. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                      Wucky,

                                                                       

                                                                      You might want to post this out in the main forum, so that you get much more traffic, than you will here. Most people do not even realize that the Tip & Tricks sub-forum exists, and those who do, only come here to get, well tips and tricks, not address problems. The main forum will be seen by many more, and you'll get suggestions.

                                                                       

                                                                      Good luck,

                                                                       

                                                                      Hunt

                                                                      • 32. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                        1D Prophet

                                                                        Hi guys, this is a great thread, I would like to make sure my understanding of it is correct. I shoot large format .RAW 3888x2892  for posters and such all conversions to .dng are done in Photoshop Elements 8, if I'am developing a ntsc 16:9 ratio standard def video in Premier Elements 8 should I resize the vertical to 1080 to keep vertical distortion to a minimum? Sometimes you can tell all is ok in the horizontal plane but somewhat overstated or even jagged in the vertical plane. Any help greatly appreciated!

                                                                        • 33. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                          For an SD Project, 1000 x 750 is a very good size to go with. If you have major Panning on a Zoomed out image, I would calculate what you need, and go with that.

                                                                           

                                                                          This FAQ Entry is very useful too.

                                                                           

                                                                          Good luck,

                                                                           

                                                                          Hunt

                                                                           

                                                                          PS - make sure that you keep the originals and DNG's, as you will want THOSE when you go to print, and NOT any resized video images. The latter are ONLY for the video and NOT for printing.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                            Wucky Community Member

                                                                            1D Prophet

                                                                            I echo Hunt's comments on saving files.  "Asset Management" is important and can save gallons of tears later.

                                                                             

                                                                            Given the cheap price of storage, I almost always keep three sets of any decent (or possibly decnet) image:

                                                                            1) DNGs  (I shoot in raw and use the DNG converter  ... that also helps me rename the files in a logical sequence instead of DSC_xxxx blahonsense)

                                                                            2) PSDs (if using Photoshop).  If using Lightroom (which I love for 98% of the images I process), there are no PSDs, just rely on the catalog

                                                                            3) JPGs   (for printing, posting on web, or downrezzed for video)

                                                                             

                                                                            Chuck

                                                                            • 35. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                              boxan_21

                                                                              Good thread. I did switch my latest slide show project (stills only) to converting the jpeg's in PS (.psd's).  When doing this I lost the "Date Taken" in the metafile info and therefore cannot use the date format to chronologically organize my pics in the slideshow. Am I doing something wrong, or is this normal when you use Adobe Photoshop 8 to re-size / convert from jpeg's?  The .psd's seem to be an improvement overall.  Thanks in advance for any feedback.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                kdoc2 Community Member

                                                                                Are you saying that burning a High Def image (or video) with a Blue Ray burner onto a 720x576 (where do you get DVD's that size?), allows you to play the DVD on a regular Non-blue ray DVD player, and that the quality is much better than the usual DVD limited quality? If correct, is the quality near that one sees on a computer at 1920x1080?

                                                                                 

                                                                                kdoc

                                                                                • 37. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                  nealeh Community Member

                                                                                  To batch convert in PSE7 users may find this helpful:

                                                                                   

                                                                                       1:     Select a bunch of images

                                                                                   

                                                                                  1.png

                                                                                   

                                                                                       2:     Select File> Export as New File(s)...

                                                                                   

                                                                                  2.png

                                                                                   

                                                                                       3:     Select a format, size and output location.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  3.png

                                                                                  4.png

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Hope this helps for PSE8 as well.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Cheers,

                                                                                  --

                                                                                  Neale

                                                                                  Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                    gcrook

                                                                                    Thanks Bill:

                                                                                    I appreciate your help. Have a great day!

                                                                                    George

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                      gcrook Community Member

                                                                                      neale;

                                                                                      Thank you for your pictorial view.

                                                                                      George

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