14 Replies Latest reply: Mar 20, 2010 4:55 AM by P Spier RSS

    About operating systems

    on5lb Community Member

      Hello,

       

      Because i started using computers programs from 1976...i continued with Microsoft (sorry) !

       

      So, I installed InDesign CS4 (french version) on a sofisticatec computer configured for windows 7

       

      Now, InDesign is quit new for me, because i started using Quark Express (before InDesign existed !)

      But because i use several other products from Adobe, i think it's a good idea to use InDesign instead.

       

      I decided to start with Classroom in a Book InDesign CS4 (from 2007 !) but compared to the Classroom in a Book Photoshop CS4, it's a stupid translation, absolutely not compatible with European standards !

       

      But more, while Calssroom in a Book for Photoshop is superb (for Windows and Mac) Classroom in a book for InDesign has been developed using a Mac, (as for Photoshop) but all examples are for Mac using the english version (very clever !)

       

      So, i do have a Top Mac Pro (8 core 3.2GHz - 4 SAS drives - 32 GB RAM) which i use for specific image analyzes applications.

      My question:

       

      Can i install InDesign on my Mac Pro, whyle it's installed on my windows computer, or do i have to UNINSTALL  it from Windows to be able to configure it for Mac ?

       

      Or maybe...a more logical option: Can i UNACTIVATE InDesgn on Windows, leave InDesign for Windows (stand by) and istall the original product for Mac ?

       

      Thanks for any (positive) comment.

      Regards,

      Jean

        • 1. Re: About operating systems
          P Spier CommunityMVP

          You can install your Windows copy of ID on your Mac, but only under Bootcamp or a virtual machine running Windows. The installers, and licenses, are not cross-platform.

           

          I haven't looked at the CS4 CIB, but I used to teach using the CS2 and CS3 versions. I agree that they were not the best texts for an unguided beginner, but they provided quite a few "teaching moments" when I was able to expand or correct the information given. You might like Sandee Cohen's Visual QuickStart guide better, or a month-to month subscription to Lynda.com.

          • 2. Re: About operating systems
            on5lb Community Member

            Hi Peter,

            Are you from the Netherlands...?

             

            The aim is not to install InDesign on the Mac via BootCamp, but under OS X Snow Leopard (why not ?)

             

            It would be more confortable using the same operating system as the classroom in a book is made from.

             

            And coming back about the InDesign Book. Full of errors.

            Just an example: At a certain moment, i'm invited to use the Adobe Garamond Pro Font, and select "Semibold" ..?

             

            To be able to use the semobold, you need the Adobe Garamond Premier Pro (quit a different font !).

             

            And so on, the more i progress, the more i'm disapointed !

             

            Thanks again for your comment,

            Regards,

            Jean

             

            PS: Just in case...

             

            I have an excellent book (French) devoted to Industrial Graphics (you have to know the bases of InDesign to use it) but it's made by REAL professionals.

            I mean real Professors, two actually, which have the necessary essential pedagogical background (Teaching skil), while most of the writers are...simply business writers.

             

            It's totally different reading such a book, well organzed, logic and easy to read.

             

            The title: Réaliser un magazine avec InDesign et Photoshop

            By Professor: Laurent Pasque and Yves Delpuech : Edited by Eyrolles.

            They still use InDesign CS3

            • 3. Re: About operating systems
              P Spier CommunityMVP

              My family emigrated from the Netherlands to the US about 150 years ago.

               

              I actually do have an Adobe Garamond Pro Semibold installed, but I'm not sure if that weight is included in creative suite package -- I have the entire Font Folio so I install whole families at a time and no longer pay much attention to what comes with the programs.

               

              The gist of my answer was if you want to install ID on a Mac running OS X, you need to buy a Mac license. If you are willing to give up the Windows version, you can call Adobe Customer support and buy a "cross-grade" for not too much money.

              • 4. Re: About operating systems
                Joel Cherney Community Member

                The aim is not to install InDesign on the Mac via BootCamp, but under OS X Snow Leopard (why not ?)

                Our volume licenses are cross-platform (which was a pleasant surprise!), but if you have a normal retail license, you would need to get a Mac-specific license. If you have a retail license, I think that the license number you have simply won't work, even if you deregister and uninstall your Windows license before installing on OS X.

                 

                Also, the Garamond Premier Pro freebie certainly includes semibold.

                • 5. Re: About operating systems
                  peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                  P Spier wrote:

                   

                  My family emigrated from the Netherlands to the US about 150 years ago.

                   

                  I actually do have an Adobe Garamond Pro Semibold installed, but I'm not sure if that weight is included in creative suite package -- I have the entire Font Folio so I install whole families at a time and no longer pay much attention to what comes with the programs.

                   

                  The gist of my answer was if you want to install ID on a Mac running OS X, you need to buy a Mac license. If you are willing to give up the Windows version, you can call Adobe Customer support and buy a "cross-grade" for not too much money.

                  Mabye it's too early in the morning, but I'm not following this transition...

                   

                  Did your family bring a prerelease version of Adobe Garamond Pro with them so long ago?<G>

                   

                  Regards,

                   

                  Peter

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                  • 6. Re: About operating systems
                    on5lb Community Member

                    Thanks, all of You.

                     

                    In fact, i can stay using InDesign with windows7, works fine.

                     

                    About the Adobe Garamond Pro which is available on my computer using Win7, there is no semibold at all. Only: Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic.

                    I have to use the Adobe Garamond Premier Pro (which we bought, as many other fonts). We have all of them (almost..!)

                     

                    Fond is not a problem, it's the Book.

                     

                    If Adobe pretend to realize a Classroom in a Book for Europe in a French version, it should be, at least, compatible with the European measuement methods.

                     

                    We use metric systems, sorry, but it's much more easyer to use. (for european people as for everyone)

                     

                    Here you have an example: It says Chose .1389 inches...Why not simply 3mm or 3.5mm ? That will make no differences on the design.

                     

                    In Classroom in a book about InDesign, all examples are in the original american version, which means that only the text has been (porely) translated, without considering the blocs, windows, menubars, etc...

                     

                    Sorry for your time, i will try to find a more appropriated book.

                    Regards from Brussels,

                    Jean

                    • 7. Re: About operating systems
                      P Spier CommunityMVP

                      peter at knowhowpro wrote:

                       

                      Mabye it's too early in the morning, but I'm not following this transition...

                       

                      Did your family bring a prerelease version of Adobe Garamond Pro with them so long ago?<G>

                       

                       

                      Regards,

                       

                      Peter

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                      Go get another cup of coffee.

                      • 8. Re: About operating systems
                        on5lb Community Member

                        Hi Peter,

                         

                        Sorry, but i'm afraid not understanding what you mean ?

                         

                        Can you please be more precise ?

                         

                        About Font, i automaticaly install all original fonts included with each application, but i also add some specific fonts we payed for !

                         

                        Regards,

                        Jean

                        • 9. Re: About operating systems
                          P Spier CommunityMVP

                          If you mean about the font, then I was saying that font does in fact exist, but it may not have been included with InDesign, in which case it was a poor choice indeed for the book.

                           

                          If you mean about the licensing, you can't install a single-user product licensed for Windows onto a Mac or vice versa. The installer won't work. You can buy a a "cross-grade" license for the current version form Adobe. Essentially they will send you a disk that will work on the other platform after you swear an oath signed in blood that you have destroyed the old media for the other platform and uninstalled it from all machines.

                          • 10. Re: About operating systems
                            on5lb Community Member

                            Hi Peter,

                             

                            Indeed, they made several mistakes.

                             

                            I'm intend to order an Adobe Suite package  for 3 computers, in september - october, when new products are proposed, as the CS5 ...?

                            No, i think CS4 is perfect for the job we need (making specific manuals, some 64 pages, from our industrial quality control systems).

                             

                            Untill then, i will take the time to find my way, and before the winter, i'll be an EXPERT ;-)

                             

                            Thanks for your comments,

                            Have a nice WE,

                            Jean

                            • 11. Re: About operating systems
                              jmlevy Community Member

                              Jean,

                               

                              According to me, the best french book about InDesign is InDesign CS4, written by Christian Oury published by Dunod. You should also consider the french version of the excellent Michael Murphy's Adobe InDesign styles. Both can be found online on Eyrolles web site.

                               

                              Selon moi, le meilleur livre en français sur InDesign est le livre de Christian Oury, InDesign CS4, paru chez Dunod. Il y a aussi la traduction de l'excellent livre de Michael Murphy, Les styles sous Adobe InDesign CS4, paru chez Pearson Education. Les deux se trouvent sur le site de la librairie Eyrolles.

                              • 12. Re: About operating systems
                                on5lb Community Member

                                Bonjour jmlevy,

                                 

                                It's very kind of you sharing this information.

                                As i already mentioned, i have the "Cours d'Industies Graphiques" from Laurent Pasquet & Yves Delpuech (Two PAO professors from a French Institute).

                                Very clear and well done. But it's mostly dedicated to PAO !

                                 

                                They also advice Pascal Prévot as a very good choise, more general stuff, available from Eyrolles Editions.

                                 

                                The Classroom in a book About InDesign CS4 is also from Pearson Education, but compared to Photoshop CS4, it's a Flop to me !

                                 

                                They did not take the necessary time to realize something professional, including french spelling errors ! and all examples are original American style !

                                 

                                Thanks again for your information, i'll take the time to check the books you mentioned.

                                 

                                Bonne fin de semaine,

                                Cordialement,

                                Jean

                                • 13. Re: About operating systems
                                  P Spier CommunityMVP

                                  I don't know if it is available in French, but I like Real World InDesign as a reference and more advanced text. I've always found the writing in English to be quite clear and extremely thorough.

                                  • 14. Re: About operating systems
                                    jmlevy Community Member

                                    I agree with you, Peter, I own the English version, but I don't think it has been translated in French. BTW, I forgot to mention that Sandee Cohen book exists in French.