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    InDesign CS5

    Petteri_Paananen Community Member

      David and Anne-Marie has made an excellent article about InDesign CS5 new features...

       

      http://indesignsecrets.com/roundup-of-indesign-cs5-features-honest-this-time.php

       

      I´m very exited specially about those new interactive features...

        • 1. Re: InDesign CS5
          [Jongware] Community Member

          (Not read yet:) Does it address the five Most Frequent Complaints, as seen on this very forum?

           

          5. Is CS5 free open source? "Adobe made so much money off of me the past (...) years, do I have to pay again for this new version?"

           

          4. Does it run on my Mac SE II? "They have lots of programmers, there must be at least a few that don't need the latest, fastest CPU and ten gigabyte of memory to run a big & complicated piece of software on!"

           

          3. Does it come with a Writers Mode? "I want to write a novel so I bought this expensive program, thinking it would be the best. If I start it, it has a gray screen and I can't type anything. Word allows you to type right away!"

           

          2. Can it open PDFs? "Adobe designed the PDF format, so InDesign should logically be able to edit these files. Can't they understand their own PDF specifications?"

           

          1. Does it come with a Mind Reading interface? "If I place something on a master page it suddenly appears on every page, not just on the ones I want! Help!"

          • 2. Re: InDesign CS5
            Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

            Apparently footnotes still can't span columns.Really, I'm so disappointed that this hasn't been addressed. It's been 6 years and I'm still asking for that one feature.

            • 3. Re: InDesign CS5
              [Jongware] Community Member

              Eugene -- it seems to me 'span columns' is a Paragraph style option. Do you have reasons to believe it won't work in footnotes?

              • 4. Re: InDesign CS5
                Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                Just reading the comments posted on the blog. That's all I have to go on. If footnotes can span columns I'll rejoice.

                • 5. Re: InDesign CS5
                  Harbs. CommunityMVP

                  Yes. It's a paragraph attribute, and no it will not work in footnotes. That's just the facts...

                   

                  Harbs

                  • 6. Re: InDesign CS5
                    Harbs. CommunityMVP

                    Span/Split Columns and footnotes basically mutually exclusive...

                     

                    There's a lot of rough edges with Split/Span Columns. For instance: Keeps options don't work very well. I don't think Split /Span Columns will kill Column Flow quite yet...

                    • 7. Re: InDesign CS5
                      Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                      Thanks for confirming Harbs - you wouldn't by any chance have a footnote span columns solution would you?

                      • 8. Re: InDesign CS5
                        Harbs. CommunityMVP

                        Not yet...

                         

                        Harbs

                        • 9. Re: InDesign CS5
                          [Ariel] Community Member

                          Using the span columns for the subheads in a chapter in a book, along with the balance columns feature, in the beta version at least, was extremely slow. I hope they sorted that out for the release version.

                           

                          For my needs, InDesign CS5 is extremely dissapointing. I work in book design — books that are printed. For people working in print, the only major feature is this span columns thing, which doesn't work in footnotes as noted. The different page sizes is nice, but I personally have little use for it.

                           

                          I feel like I've been waiting for an upgrade to CS4, and instead, with all the Flash and animation, feel like I've got a different program altogether. I want my InDesign back!

                          • 10. Re: InDesign CS5
                            BobLevine CommunityMVP

                            Here's a look at my top ten (with a bunch of honorable mentions) http://www.theindesignguy.com/cs5-thoughts.shtml

                             

                            I love this upgrade. Of course, I don't use footnotes, but I think there's something for everyone here. My biggest disappointment, for the record is no form fields for PDFs.

                             

                            Here's a link to The InDesigner (Michael Murphy) http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/episode-54-a-first-look-at-indesign-cs5-2

                             

                            Bob

                            • 11. Re: InDesign CS5
                              Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                              Good round-up Bob, I've been posting your link on multiple forums, it's a good write-up, well done.

                               

                              I can live with spanning footnotes as I do it by hand with the "footnotes to endnotes" script and then a footnote object style, I just have to manually find the superscript and then work with placing the footnotes.

                               

                              It doesn't take too long to do, but it would be better if InDesign just handled it.

                               

                               

                              I'd have some use for things. The different page size is interesting, wondering if I could have a 3 page spread, back cover/spine/front cover, with different sizes, so it would 210 + 5 + 210 in a spread?

                               

                               

                              It certainly looks interesting but I'm very disappointed with once again footnotes are igorned.

                              • 12. Re: InDesign CS5
                                BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                They say a picture is worth a thousand words. This one just says YES!

                                 

                                multipagespread.PNG

                                Bob

                                • 13. Re: InDesign CS5
                                  Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                  Very cool Bob.

                                   

                                  Making a cover will be so much easier now, dust jackets and fold outs for magazines and all sorts will be a snap now.

                                   

                                  That alone is big thumbs up for me.

                                  • 14. Re: InDesign CS5
                                    Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                    Can you have vertical spreads?

                                    • 15. Re: InDesign CS5
                                      BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                      You can do that in CS4 with spread rotation view. There's nothing new there.

                                       

                                      Bob

                                      • 16. Re: InDesign CS5
                                        Harbs. CommunityMVP

                                        Vertical spreads was there in CS4 already as rotated spread views...

                                         

                                        Harbs

                                        • 17. Re: InDesign CS5
                                          Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                          Oh yeh... how forgetful am I, thanks Bob and Harbs.

                                          • 18. Re: InDesign CS5
                                            Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                            Just ordered two copies of InDesign and a copy of Flash and the new Acrobat whatever version they're on.

                                             

                                            All good. Can't wait
                                            • 19. Re: InDesign CS5
                                              BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                              There's no new version of Acrobat.

                                              • 20. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                                Well whatever the latest version is, I've only got Acrobat 7 here. Be nice to be up-to-speed with the rest of the world

                                                 

                                                It's version 9 they're on now. Doing forms in 7 is a nightmare. Be nice to have this addition to our workflow and streamline bookings etc. for events through forms.

                                                • 21. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                  Mr. Met Community Member

                                                  Is there anywhere on the adobe site to see a video just for ID CS5? I see the general promo video but was hoping to see an ID video, PS video, etc. for CS5 upgrades.

                                                   

                                                  I saw the online presentation this morning. PS smart fill after cutting out a silhouette is awesome. I don't do enough interactive to get to excited about the other offerrings but I think I may have to invest the time and money to become more proficient in interactive design/production.

                                                  • 22. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                    Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                                    I'm not aware of any, if I find some I'll post them here for you.

                                                    • 23. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                      [Jongware] Community Member

                                                      Apart from the exciting (and some less exiting ) new features, can we have a round-up of CS4 (and possibly earlier) problems that have been fixed?

                                                       

                                                      From memory:

                                                       

                                                      • Footnotes (well, that's an obvious "no", it seems)
                                                      • Proper RTL support (was that also a "no"? Can't remember if it was mentioned in the vid presentation)
                                                      • Bad Word and RTF import -- fixed?
                                                      • Full OpenType support for mark and mkmk features?
                                                      • Footnotes crash in combo with "no last word hyphenation" (and I might be mistaken on that one, perhaps that was already fixed in an update)
                                                      • (anyone else ..?)

                                                       

                                                      [Add.]

                                                      • Symbol font characters not getting converted to Opentype encoding
                                                      • 24. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                        Harbs. CommunityMVP
                                                        • Footnotes (well, that's an obvious "no", it seems)

                                                        Correct.

                                                         

                                                        • Proper  RTL support (was that also a "no"? Can't remember if it was mentioned  in the vid presentation)

                                                        Same as CS4

                                                         

                                                        • Bad Word and RTF import -- fixed?

                                                        I think it was fixed in an update already.

                                                         

                                                        • Full  OpenType support for mark and mkmk features?

                                                        I believe the same as CS4.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        • Footnotes crash in  combo with "no last word hyphenation" (and I might be mistaken on that  one, perhaps that was already fixed in an update)

                                                        Never seen that one...

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        • (anyone else  ..?)

                                                         

                                                        [Add.]

                                                        • Symbol  font characters not getting converted to Opentype encoding

                                                        Not sure what you are talking about

                                                        • 25. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                          [Jongware] Community Member

                                                          • Full  OpenType support for mark and mkmk features?

                                                          I believe the same as CS4.

                                                           

                                                          Good answer  ... I can't actually remember what the exact problem was. I'll have to fresh up on that.

                                                           

                                                          Word import problems:

                                                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/2620366#2620366 and http://forums.adobe.com/message/2615935#2615935

                                                          Decidedly not fixed, as I saw it today again on CS4 6.0.4; both "let's break the paragraph here and insert the rest of it at the end" and "now where should that footnote go? Let's insert a Replacement Character (U+FFFD) and have the user figger it out."

                                                           

                                                          Symbol re-mapping problem:

                                                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/2360336#2360336

                                                          Happened only last week, also on a fully updated '4.

                                                           

                                                          Footnote in combination with "Hyphenate Across Columns" off:

                                                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/1294733#1294733 (hey! it mentions CS3! oh okay, I admit -- I don't know if that ever got fixed for '4, as I never used it anyway)

                                                          • 26. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                            Harbs. CommunityMVP

                                                            Theun,

                                                             

                                                            If you would like to send me a sample file which has the import problem and one that has the mapping problem, I'll be happy to test in CS5 and see if it's fixed.

                                                             

                                                            Harbs

                                                            • 27. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                              [Jongware] Community Member

                                                              Yes, please!! I still have the bad-import file I sent to Adobe Tech Support. It's at work, though, so it'll take a day. (And if you're feeling for a laff, I could send you their answer as well.)

                                                              I can also produce a bad-Symbol file for you -- one that demonstrably imports correctly into CS3 but not into CS4.

                                                               

                                                              I do hope not everyone at Adobe's have been discussin' and votin' on just the new features, past one and a half year

                                                              • 28. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                Harbs. CommunityMVP

                                                                You have my email. Right?

                                                                 

                                                                I'm going to sleep now, but I'll look at it in the morning...

                                                                 

                                                                Harbs

                                                                • 29. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                  [Jongware] Community Member

                                                                  ¡Si! Full of anticipation, hoping the best, etc., & I bid you a good night.

                                                                  • 30. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                    Mr. Met Community Member

                                                                    When I saw the presentation this morning, one of the commentators said to go to Adobe TV for more but I didn't see anything.

                                                                    • 31. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                      designerdave72 Community Member

                                                                      Will colours in the Swatch palette *finally* be in numerical order?

                                                                      • 32. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                        Eugene Tyson CommunityMVP

                                                                        Good list of articles here and I posted a video link in the comments

                                                                         

                                                                        http://indesignsecrets.com/this-week-in-indesign-articles-number-27.php

                                                                        • 33. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                          P Spier CommunityMVP

                                                                          designerdave72 wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          Will colours in the Swatch palette *finally* be in numerical order?

                                                                          What do you mean by "numerical order?" Do all your swatches have a number prefix? Are you talking about Pantone Spot colors?

                                                                           

                                                                          As far as I know there's no difference in how swatches are added or listed, new ones would appear at the bottom of the least, but you can drag into any order you like.

                                                                          • 34. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                            Big Jimm Community Member

                                                                            I have IDcs5 on order from Adobe to be shipped on April 29. (Also updates for Illustrator, PS and Acrobat).

                                                                             

                                                                            So far I'm a little disappointed to hear that the main new feature of ID “seems to be” that it will make smaller pages.

                                                                            I would much rather hear that it has great new special effects, word manipulation, etc. (I watched the intro Monday

                                                                            and most of the videos but it appeared to me that most of the changes were fairly minor - like going from cs3 to cs4.

                                                                             

                                                                            But, anyway, I'm dying to get all 4 new programs! It’s just that I love ID and keep hoping that it will go more “graphic.”

                                                                            I HATE Illustrator because it never seems like much ”fun” to work with. But, I keep buying it and not using it much.

                                                                             

                                                                            QUESTION: Does anyone know when the first book will be out for ID?

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks.

                                                                            • 35. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                              Big Jimm Community Member

                                                                              CS5 SHIPPING - For What It’s Worth -

                                                                               

                                                                              I ordered ID (and 3 other programs) yesterday after the “show.“ Was told that my order would ship on the 29th. But, just got

                                                                              email from Adobe that it HAS SHIPPED!

                                                                               

                                                                              I orderd the 3 day shipping.

                                                                               

                                                                              Thank you Adobe; that’s pretty great.

                                                                              • 36. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                                guardaroba Community Member

                                                                                Some of the new features sound as though they'll be quite useful (different page sizes and some of the UI improvements especially), but I have to say I'm quite annoyed that endnotes still haven't been introduced to InDesign. The official help file still has to send readers to a blog for a work around (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/InDesign/CS5/Using/WSa285fff53dea4f8617383751001ea8cb3f-6f37a. html), which seems, to be honest, pathetic.

                                                                                 

                                                                                The fact that time and resources have been put into making InDesign able to produce and output Flash files and place video files into PDFs while ignoring endnotes, notes in tables, footnotes spanning columns, improved tables, etc. makes the whole update feel like a bit of a slap in the face to print designers.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Anyway, anger aside, does anyone know why it's taking so long for what seems like such a small change? Part of the reason that I'm so annoyed is that it seems as though, now that footnotes are supported, it would be quite simple to enable dynamic endnotes (aren't they just footnotes pulled to the end of the document, rather than the bottom of each page?). Or am I missing something? I'm no software developer, so it's certainly possible!

                                                                                • 37. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                                  BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                                                                  It's certainly not a slap in the face to ALL print designers. I can honestly tell you that I've been using ID since version 1.0 and have never created a document that needed footnotes or endnotes.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I'm not minimizing the need for this, but there most certainly has to be a very big technical challenge to get this right or it would have been done by now. Just because you think it's simple doesn't make it so.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I'm still waiting for PDF form fields. Seems simple enough, but they're just not there.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Bob

                                                                                  • 38. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                                    guardaroba Community Member

                                                                                    You're right, of course, that not all print designers need all of these features. For that matter, I've used InDesign since version 1 as well and have never felt the need to have a footnote span two columns (I just plain don't like footnotes and use endnotes wherever possible, which is why it's always the first missing feature that comes to my mind!). I was mostly referring to the new emphasis on Flash authoring and interactive PDFs, even while there are still a number of long-document-production features missing.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Anyway, I'll add PDF form fields to my list of requests as well, in solidarity.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: InDesign CS5
                                                                                      P Spier CommunityMVP

                                                                                      Jimm,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      There's tons of stuff beyond mixed page sizes. Did you look at any of the blogs linked above? ID CS5 is a quantum leap in many areas.

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