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hpmoon May 4, 2010 12:05 PM (in response to chupacabracobra)chupacabracobra wrote:
maybe you are using tons of the non-CUDA accelerated effects?
performance definitely varies depending upon what sort of stuff you do to your tracks
Excellent point, and perhaps the root of his problem. It's easy to forget that the sequence/timeline playback monitor in CS5 is set by default to full resolution. Perhaps his experience in CS4 was better because that version had an option (now absent in CS5) which throttled the resolution on-the-fly automatically based on available overhead. And as you say, any non-CUDA coded effect will blow an entire clip for "eligibility" from GPU acceleration.
He should try changing the sequence/timeline playback monitor to 1/4 resolution for a proper comparison to CS4.
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jabloomf1230 May 4, 2010 5:34 PM (in response to hpmoon)I submitted a support ticket for Premiere Pro CS5 ( an installation issue, which was subsequently solved by an alert member of the Adobe forums) and the canned response from Adobe starts out with "system requirements". They specifically list the supported video cards and ask if you are using one (for what that is worth).
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Moxtelling May 5, 2010 3:24 AM (in response to Curt Wrigley)Hi
I can now confirm that FX3800 (wich I have just installed) and a GTX 260 (with the modificated txt-file as described elsewhere in this forum) - are performing equal in playback. I can not see any difference in speed or performance playing back. Have not tested encoding speed - and will not either - don´t wanna install the old GTX once agian. The AVCHD clips i had problems playing with the GTX 260 does have the same issues with the FX3800. But I have found out that the main reassons are: 1) using non-accelerated effetcs like Shadow/Highlight 2) The AVCHD issue with CS4/CS5 - that one can not use the same clip twice adjacent to each other. Fx if you take a movieclip and make two clips out of it and put them togehter at the timeline and use a Croos-dissolve between the two clips - you will experience stuttering and pausing in playback if you use AVCHD. THis issue has been reported to Adobe!
So waste of money? Maybee - but at least I now have a card that has been tested and is officially suppoorted by Adobe/Nvidia. My FX3800 is from PNY and there are as I recall only this manufacterer - when my GTX is from Inno3D - and there are lots of dirfferent manufacturers. Meaning the FX3800 is more Pro in the way it is allways made by the same company - and not as the GTX made by several.that might user different parts in the production that may vary and give different results - and might even cause issues? BEsides the FX3800 has been heavely tested by Adobe to meet the requirements - so they say...
So - all in all - I hope I made a good choice here.Hoping for Adobe to give even more advantages in near future to us that has invested in supported Nvidia cards.
/Morten
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FelixUnderwood May 5, 2010 4:42 AM (in response to Moxtelling)Morten, I think you made a great choice. I'm thinking of buying the FX3800 to "get me by" until the next round of video cards gets validated. I strongly feel that the Quadro series is heading toward Legacy Land in the near future. As far as getting non-certified cards to work, I'm okay with it but would choose not to go down that rural road being that CS5 is in it's infancy. I think there will be enough variables (or shall I say bugs) to deal with early on without introducing more by faking out MPE by putting a non-certified video card in the picture! Come to think of it, I may not bother with MPE at all, being that I only have two 2Tb drives in a RAID 0 for media (but they are the new SATA III kind). I just hope I'll at least get faster rendering out of CS5. And even if I don't, the stability of a 64-bit app alone is worth the upgrade to me.
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metalsaber May 5, 2010 7:09 AM (in response to FelixUnderwood)The "hack" works with my GTX 260 card. My 480 should arrive today. Will install it and put the new card in the list. Will check it out.
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David Zeno May 5, 2010 7:55 AM (in response to FelixUnderwood)you're thinking of buying the FX3800 to "get you by" ? ... darn it Felix, I wish I had the money you had to 'get me by' LOL,
that card is about $800 is it not ? ... that's a lot of money to spend, but for some, $800 is like $50, so it all depends on your situation.
I am hoping Adobe will get some newer cards working with Mercury that are a little less expensive... say $500 with 1 GB of Vram would be nice.
Dave.
FelixUnderwood wrote:
Morten, I think you made a great choice. I'm thinking of buying the FX3800 to "get me by" until the next round of video cards gets validated. I strongly feel that the Quadro series is heading toward Legacy Land in the near future. As far as getting non-certified cards to work, I'm okay with it but would choose not to go down that rural road being that CS5 is in it's infancy. I think there will be enough variables (or shall I say bugs) to deal with early on without introducing more by faking out MPE by putting a non-certified video card in the picture! Come to think of it, I may not bother with MPE at all, being that I only have two 2Tb drives in a RAID 0 for media (but they are the new SATA III kind). I just hope I'll at least get faster rendering out of CS5. And even if I don't, the stability of a 64-bit app alone is worth the upgrade to me.
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cts51911 May 5, 2010 7:59 AM (in response to Moxtelling)Morten,
You should talk with some of the other Quadro 3800 users. I've read some posts where there is a clear distinction in performance.
How long have you had the card? Not too long right? Take some time to understand what the benefits are.
Can you post the specs of your system? (memory, HD, etc...)
Chris
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FelixUnderwood May 5, 2010 8:06 AM (in response to David Zeno)I'm talking ebay and I'm not opposed to buying a used card, again, to "get me by!"
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David Zeno May 5, 2010 8:30 AM (in response to FelixUnderwood)I just checked eBay and those cards are a min of $600 with many of them in the $800 range.
I didn't see any "used" ones though.
care to tell us what you paid for a used card ?
FelixUnderwood wrote:
I'm talking ebay and I'm not opposed to buying a used card, again, to "get me by!"
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ECBowen May 5, 2010 8:32 AM (in response to cts51911)Look at these for reference. There is little to no difference between the Quadro and GTX cards performance with CS5 that is not caused by the artificial limiter.
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Moxtelling May 5, 2010 8:37 AM (in response to cts51911)Hi Chris
I hope there will be some difference - but using the "hack" (changing one line in a text-file in PPro directory) made my GTX 260 playing back excactly as good as FX3800. I can not see any difference - where the GTX 260 had problems the FX3800 also did (4 layers fx) etc. But maybe I do not have setup the carsd right? It is latest nvidia driver etc.
I have tried to overclock my system a few weeks ago and it did not make any difference in speed at all - so I just went back to normal.
Playing back is much better in CS5 now - no doubt - I enjoy smooth playback with multiple layers AVCHD in 720 50P - scrubbing not so smooth.
Accellerated effects OK - not accellerated makes clips stutter in playback. This goes for both cards....if I remove GTX 260 in textfile I get software playback wich is awfull.
Here is my system - note I have two monitors:
Operating System
MS Windows 7 64-bitCPU
Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.67GHz 47 °C
Bloomfield 45nm TechnologyRAM
12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 531MHz 7-7-7-20 (1033 Mhz)Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. EX58-UD4 (Socket 1366) (latest BIOS)Graphics
1. SyncMaster 2494HM/2494HS/2494HSI(Digital) on NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800
.2 Eizo Flexscan S2410W on NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800
Hard Drives (not in RADI!!!)
1500GB Seagate ST31500341AS ATA Device (IDE) 56 °C
1500GB Seagate ST31500341AS ATA Device (IDE) 58 °COptical Drives
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-216D ATA DeviceAudio
M-Audio Firewire 410
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Moxtelling May 5, 2010 8:45 AM (in response to Moxtelling)Hi again
Maybe there is some difference in encoding speed? I do not know - and don´t have the time to test it...reinstalling the old card.
But I guess I will put the ols GTX 260 into my "old" (1½ year) Qaud CPU 6700 machine and install CS5 on this as second spare PC if this one fails and do the "hack" so I have two machines running OK if needed. Actually this makes me a bit more satisfied having bought the FX3800 - because I now have two machines capable of editting AVCHD. Might be nice if something goes wrong or I need rendering a lot and then can free up the other PC for different jobs.
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cts51911 May 5, 2010 8:53 AM (in response to Moxtelling)
Hard Drives (not in RADI!!!)
1500GB Seagate ST31500341AS ATA Device (IDE) 56 °C
1500GB Seagate ST31500341AS ATA Device (IDE) 58 °CYour system may be bottlenecked...
Remember, you just can't add the GPU and "poof" your system will perfrom like the 16 core, 24gb memory, Quadro 4800 system the video demos.
I think you need to go Raid 0 and segment your media, scratch and system on different drives.
I'm also overclocking my i7 930 a little bit. There is plenty of headroom there.
Your memory speed is 1033. I've got mine at 1600 and that seems to speed things up.
Don't take my word for it though. Visit the Hardware section of this forum. It is eye opening.
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Harm Millaard May 5, 2010 10:05 AM (in response to Moxtelling)Morten,
Have a look, and then a second and third look at your cooling. Your CPU is pretty hot idle, but your disks are way too hot.
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Moxtelling May 5, 2010 11:37 AM (in response to cts51911)Hi
Yes I know - but I have had very bad epxeriences with RAID a few years ago. But maybe it is time to go for it once more.
What would you suggest me to do? My MOBO supports RAID in different ways - do you think thats OK or do I have to buy a new RAID controller?
I do not understand fully how I should do - I have two disks allready - pretty quick and low-noise. Harm tells me they are too hot - so I might put in a fan or two (low-noise) - but could I make a backup of my entire system - setup system for RAID 0 with my two existing disks and then copy everything back - or is it better to iinstall additional disk (how many) and start allover again (haven´t got much time - having busy in my company and two small kids (4 years and 5 month) at the same time) - so time is valuable - but I just wanna know how much time I would have to spend on this so I can plan to do it at a better time in near future...But RAID 0 is quite risky - isn´t it?
I can see my MOBO supports the fowllowing (from specs of my MOBO):
South Bridge:
- 6 x SATA 3Gb/s connectors (SATA2_0, SATA2_1, SATA2_2, SATA2_3, SATA2_4, SATA2_5) supporting up to 6 SATA 3Gb/s devices
- Support for SATA RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10
GIGABYTE SATA2 chip:
- 1 x IDE connector supporting ATA-133/100/66/33 and up to 2 IDE devices
- 2x SATA 3Gb/s connectors (GSATA2_0, GSATA2_1) supporting up to 2 SATA 3Gb/s devices
- Support for SATA RAID 0, RAID 1 and JBOD
You mention overclocking a bit - I have a i920 running 2.8 Ghz - I have overclcked it once to 3,3 and it was stable, but did not give much performance.
But overclocking RAM might be usefull...My BIOAS tells me it runs 1033 but SPECCY shows this:
Slot #1
Type DDR3
Size 2048 MBytes
Manufacturer Kingston
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part number 9905403-011.A02LF
Serial number 7EFACC96
Week/year 13 / 09
SPD Ext. EPP
JEDEC #4
Frequency 686 MHz
CAS# latency 9.0
RAS# to CAS# 10
RAS# Precharge 10
tRAS 25
tRC 34
Voltage 1.500 V
JEDEC #3
Frequency 610 MHz
CAS# latency 8.0
RAS# to CAS# 9
RAS# Precharge 9
tRAS 22
tRC 31
Voltage 1.500 V
JEDEC #2
Frequency 533 MHz
CAS# latency 7.0
RAS# to CAS# 7
RAS# Precharge 7
tRAS 20
tRC 27
Voltage 1.500 V
JEDEC #1
Frequency 457 MHz
CAS# latency 6.0
RAS# to CAS# 6
RAS# Precharge 6
tRAS 17
tRC 23
Voltage 1.500 Vthe Frequency is only above 450 - But that´s not the frequency or what?
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metalsaber May 5, 2010 11:48 AM (in response to Moxtelling)Installed my GTX 480 today and MPE works. Did a quick single Cineform AVI video files and added about 5 or 6 accelerated effects and timeline stayed yellow with smooth playback.
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cts51911 May 5, 2010 12:09 PM (in response to metalsaber)Metalsaber:
Can you post your experience here? (See thread below) Other unofficial card users will be interested to hear your thoughts (moving forward)
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cts51911 May 5, 2010 12:11 PM (in response to Moxtelling)Your memory is rated at 1333 so try for that.
I went to raid0 for media and scratch (2x drives for each). Harms suggestion. Cheap to do too.
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metalsaber May 5, 2010 12:19 PM (in response to cts51911)cts51911 wrote:
Metalsaber:
Can you post your experience here? (See thread below) Other unofficial card users will be interested to hear your thoughts (moving forward)
If you have any particular requests, let me know. In terms of video sources, I'm limited to my 5D Mark II.
I'll do some tests again with using the Cineform AVI files and the original 5D Mark II files. I'll try to do tests to see where the software falls flat and hopefully the MPE works.
I'll do some export times, but with the quick one I did, I did not see any increase in export times over the 260 card. It was a quick 55sec clip test, so it might or might not be a acccurate representation.
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12towers May 5, 2010 12:20 PM (in response to Moxtelling)Same here. I'm seriously thinking of moving to Sony just because of the poor response from Adobe. Been a customer for over 15 years! But some things must end, I need to work, not fix crashes and upgrade constantly. My version of P.P CS4 has never worked right, I use my old CS1 Suite and it out works CS4 64 bit in circles, because I work, not fix or try to figure out crashes/freezes/poor renders etc.
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Moxtelling May 5, 2010 12:24 PM (in response to cts51911)OK - but RAID0 with 4 drivesor what? And then put media on one stripe (Disk1+Disk2) and scratch (on Disk3+1Disk4) or what?
What about your OS?
I have two disks - Disk one is partiotioned in two (drive C and D) - OS is on C, programmes on D.
Disk two is only one big partition with only DATA - like videofiles etc.
I defrag often.
Are there any way I could take backup of these drives (I have a 4 TB Bufalos NAS server) and then install RAID whatever - and then restore everything again somehow or will that be a bad idea. I could restore C and D.
If I make a RAID0 with fours disks - every disk on 1,5 TB will I have:
1. 3 TB all in all?
2. Have to have exactly same disks or is it OK to keep my two existing disks and then buy two others - making stripes of those matching? What is best practice?
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DVDmike May 5, 2010 12:42 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)Harm, what are good CPU temps for idle vs load. Mine range from 32-42C idle and as high as 57C under max load, according to my utility. Core 2 runs hotter than the rest most of the time. So far, I have never seen the CPU on max RPM.
I cannot tell the temp of the hard drives.
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Harm Millaard May 5, 2010 12:53 PM (in response to DVDmike)These figures are OK, 35 idle and 55-60 under load are good numbers.
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cts51911 May 5, 2010 1:12 PM (in response to metalsaber)Metalsaber,
Any experience is insightful...good and bad. This is uncharted territory so anything helps.
Post here please: (lets stop hijacking this thread )
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canuscanus Jun 15, 2010 9:41 PM (in response to kdd108)Fantastic, kdd108.
I'm very interested in your 9800 experiment.
I have several friends on mac desktops that have the 8800 equivalent card, and if the 9800 works, there's a good chance they'll be able to tweak their settings and get accelerated effects. They're still sitting on the upgrade fence, but I'm sure that would get them off it.
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chupacabracobra Jun 16, 2010 1:07 AM (in response to canuscanus)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
canuscanus wrote:
Fantastic, kdd108.
I'm very interested in your 9800 experiment.
I have several friends on mac desktops that have the 8800 equivalent card, and if the 9800 works, there's a good chance they'll be able to tweak their settings and get accelerated effects. They're still sitting on the upgrade fence, but I'm sure that would get them off it.
many 8800 only have 512 or 640MB though
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kdoc2 Jun 21, 2010 10:48 AM (in response to chupacabracobra)I'm a little late in coming to the table of this discussion, but here's what I think about the CUDA Card debate--that Adobe has shot themselves and their users in the foot (or face). Here they have finally come out with a potentially fast and stable product, one which can compete seriously with the others, one that is excellent, and what do they do--they make it so that only a very few users will be able to use the new Mercury Engine with their current system!! Yes, it's true that even without CUDA acceleration the new CS5 works terrifically in 64 bits, with Raid 0--at least mine does. But we're not getting the full extraordinary value and speed of the product. I just shelled out $1300 on the new computer for the 64 bits, Raid 0, increased RAM, and a hell of a lot for CS5 Production Premium. And now I'm being forced to spend nearly as much for the card as for the computer, depending on which one I were to get. And we don't even know which less expensive cards might be acceptable and/or coming out. What Adobe has done is really counterproductive to their effort in strengthening their place in the market! What needs to be done is to work with NVidia or some other vendors and come up very quickly with an affordable CARD which is supported. Adobe: please solve this and give us and yourselves a break.
kdoc
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hpmoon Jun 21, 2010 11:06 AM (in response to kdoc2)kdoc2 wrote:
I'm a little late in coming to the table of this discussion, but here's what I think about the CUDA Card debate--that Adobe has shot themselves and their users in the foot (or face). Here they have finally come out with a potentially fast and stable product, one which can compete seriously with the others, one that is excellent, and what do they do--they make it so that only a very few users will be able to use the new Mercury Engine with their current system!! Yes, it's true that even without CUDA acceleration the new CS5 works terrifically in 64 bits, with Raid 0--at least mine does. But we're not getting the full extraordinary value and speed of the product. I just shelled out $1300 on the new computer for the 64 bits, Raid 0, increased RAM, and a hell of a lot for CS5 Production Premium. And now I'm being forced to spend nearly as much for the card as for the computer, depending on which one I were to get. And we don't even know which less expensive cards might be acceptable and/or coming out. What Adobe has done is really counterproductive to their effort in strengthening their place in the market! What needs to be done is to work with NVidia or some other vendors and come up very quickly with an affordable CARD which is supported. Adobe: please solve this and give us and yourselves a break.
kdoc
Totally agreed, that's been the sentiment overall, but as you scroll through this thread and others, you'll see that there's a bizarre community of fogeys who have rooted for Adobe at every turn, saying that this issue has gone pretty well and it was "wise" for Adobe to artificially inflate interest in the Quadro cards despite the total lack of technical basis.
Pretty much everyone understands by now that this was a predatory, anti-consumer backroom deal cut between nVidia and Adobe to push the early adopters into buying the Quadra cards that have a dramatically higher profit margin which goes directly back to nVidia, rather than through its third-party partners.
As an FYI, though, those of us who bought GTX 285 cards used (mine was under $200) as a stop-gap until the madness would pass, I noticed that Adobe just released a Premiere Pro patch for CS5 that adds greater capacity for the GTX 285 (probably making it equivalent completely to the overpriced Quadra counterpart).
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Eric Addison Jun 21, 2010 11:37 AM (in response to hpmoon)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
hpmoon wrote:
Totally agreed, that's been the sentiment overall, but as you scroll through this thread and others, you'll see that there's a bizarre community of fogeys who have rooted for Adobe at every turn, saying that this issue has gone pretty well and it was "wise" for Adobe to artificially inflate interest in the Quadro cards despite the total lack of technical basis.Fogeys? Bizarre? Really? I don't consider myself that, and I couldn't disagree with you more. First off, I am a LONG time PPro user, so I've seen some really good versions from Adobe and some not so good versions...and PPro CS5 is one of the BEST versions they've released. By limiting the number of cards they supported on inital release, they've been able to release a really stable version - that was a very smart move. And with the very quickly released 5.0.1 patch, they increased the support for the GTX285. I'll admit that I'm not privy to what goes on between Adobe and NVIDIA, but from what I do know Adobe was trying to make the best product they could, not try to "inflate interest in the Quadro cards".
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
hpmoon wrote:
Pretty much everyone understands by now that this was a predatory, anti-consumer backroom deal cut between nVidia and Adobe to push the early adopters into buying the Quadra cards that have a dramatically higher profit margin which goes directly back to nVidia, rather than through its third-party partners.
No - everyone does not understand that to be the case, and unless you have some proof to back that up, why don't we all just calm down about conspiracy theories...
The funny and ironic thing about so many posts lately is that for years, people have been coming to these forums posting about how much Premiere Pro sucks, how it won't work on their computer, and ranting about how much better FCP is, when all along I was having (as was MANY others) a fine experience with it. People would build their own computers with a hodge-podge of parts, often not designed for the rigors of video editing, and then would post here about how Adobe blew it, and they're switching to FCP - an NLE that has one big hardware requirement...you have to buy a Mac!
Adobe finally puts out a version that is stable and fast, and the only really big hardware requirement to get even better performance is a short list of cards...cards Adobe thoroughly tested to make sure they would work really well - and they do. And now, without much else to complain about, people now feel the need to complain about how Adobe is trying to screw us out of money but cutting a deal with NVIDIA. Well, you know...it's just crazy to me.
Sorry for the rant, but it's just a tad ridiculous...it really is.
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chupacabracobra Jun 21, 2010 2:59 PM (in response to Eric Addison)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
Eric Addison wrote:
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
hpmoon wrote:
Totally agreed, that's been the sentiment overall, but as you scroll through this thread and others, you'll see that there's a bizarre community of fogeys who have rooted for Adobe at every turn, saying that this issue has gone pretty well and it was "wise" for Adobe to artificially inflate interest in the Quadro cards despite the total lack of technical basis.Fogeys? Bizarre? Really? I don't consider myself that, and I couldn't disagree with you more. First off, I am a LONG time PPro user, so I've seen some really good versions from Adobe and some not so good versions...and PPro CS5 is one of the BEST versions they've released. By limiting the number of cards they supported on inital release, they've been able to release a really stable version - that was a very smart move. And with the very quickly released 5.0.1 patch, they increased the support for the GTX285. I'll admit that I'm not privy to what goes on between Adobe and NVIDIA, but from what I do know Adobe was trying to make the best product they could, not try to "inflate interest in the Quadro cards".
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
hpmoon wrote:
Pretty much everyone understands by now that this was a predatory, anti-consumer backroom deal cut between nVidia and Adobe to push the early adopters into buying the Quadra cards that have a dramatically higher profit margin which goes directly back to nVidia, rather than through its third-party partners.
No - everyone does not understand that to be the case, and unless you have some proof to back that up, why don't we all just calm down about conspiracy theories...
The funny and ironic thing about so many posts lately is that for years, people have been coming to these forums posting about how much Premiere Pro sucks, how it won't work on their computer, and ranting about how much better FCP is, when all along I was having (as was MANY others) a fine experience with it. People would build their own computers with a hodge-podge of parts, often not designed for the rigors of video editing, and then would post here about how Adobe blew it, and they're switching to FCP - an NLE that has one big hardware requirement...you have to buy a Mac!
Adobe finally puts out a version that is stable and fast, and the only really big hardware requirement to get even better performance is a short list of cards...cards Adobe thoroughly tested to make sure they would work really well - and they do. And now, without much else to complain about, people now feel the need to complain about how Adobe is trying to screw us out of money but cutting a deal with NVIDIA. Well, you know...it's just crazy to me.
Sorry for the rant, but it's just a tad ridiculous...it really is.
It is a little curious that nvidia ha sbeen bragging about CUDA support for all of their cards and everyone goes on about how things like OpenCL, CUDA, etc. mean that it doesn't matter WHICH card you have, so long as it meets minimum specs you don't need to compile a separate program for each card and then suddenly there is all this talk about how there is such a huge risk of bugs popping out unless you use certain cards (which oddly just happen to be Quadro plus the single most expensive consumer card in each generation). At the very least it makes you at least wonder.... Do they only give a list of approved CPU/memory/motherboard/BIOS/ versions?? Either CUDA is not quite as well worked out as claimed or there likely was at least a minor backroom deal going on (such things are not so rare actually), who knows.
But considering that all you need to do is type the name of your card and you are good to go, it's not really much of a big deal, no need for people to go crazy. Just type in your card's name and run.
Hodge-podge of parts had nothing at all to do with things like 5D2 footage editing horribly slowly on PCs when fed directly into PP. It had a TON to do with more backroom type stuff, Apple vs. Microsoft battles and quicktime being a piece of junk on the PC (if you strip the quicktime wrapper, CS4 suddenly editing 5D2 files like literally 4-5x faster) and partly because PP didn't have the fastest engine in the world (it still doesn't use graphic card h.264 decode, although it's possible there might be legit reasons since perhaps that is onyl limited to 1 or 2 tracks etc. hard to say without knowing more details).
Anyway what matter is that all you need to do is type the name fo your grpahics card into a text file and that the new engine, regardless of that, is quite a bit faster and there is no need to play games and re-wrap certain formats (whether using h.264 could reduce the system stress by 6-10x more hard to say, yes if they would be able to use, no if not) and it's certainly a big step forward.
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kdoc2 Jun 22, 2010 3:12 PM (in response to kdd108)Can you tell us if what kdd108 suggested (above) is safe? For example will it overheat the computer? Also, which cards can it be expected to work on--I have the GTX 260--does that have suffecient cores or whatever (I'm not a computer expert) to even try it? Do you or does anyone know what the "unexpected consequences" of this kind of fix?
kdoc
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232. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
chupacabracobra Jun 22, 2010 4:27 PM (in response to kdoc2)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
kdoc2 wrote:
Can you tell us if what kdd108 suggested (above) is safe? For example will it overheat the computer? Also, which cards can it be expected to work on--I have the GTX 260--does that have suffecient cores or whatever (I'm not a computer expert) to even try it? Do you or does anyone know what the "unexpected consequences" of this kind of fix?
kdoc
It won't overheat it anymore than playing a 3D game or crunching a lot of data would. If that melts your system then so will this, if your system is fine with everything else, it will be fine with this. There is nothing outlandish or magical that this does, it just uses the GPU instead of the CPU for some stuff. On my card it doesn't even usually use the GPU all that much. In all honesty you should be more afraid of playing the latest game, if anything.I'm sure some hope paranoid fears will drive at least a few people who would not have otherwise to spring for quadros just to be 'safe'.
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233. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
chupacabracobra Jun 22, 2010 4:29 PM (in response to kdoc2)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
kdoc2 wrote:
Can you tell us if what kdd108 suggested (above) is safe? For example will it overheat the computer? Also, which cards can it be expected to work on--I have the GTX 260--does that have suffecient cores or whatever (I'm not a computer expert) to even try it? Do you or does anyone know what the "unexpected consequences" of this kind of fix?
kdoc
i don't recall off-hand the 260 specs, but i'm sure it should help even though it is not as fast as a 275+ or 400-series
just so long as you have at least 800MB or so
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234. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
kdoc2 Jun 23, 2010 10:48 AM (in response to chupacabracobra)Would someone mind instructing an ignorant physician, non-computernik, how to run it. I'm not dos compliant. I found GPUSniffer.exe under C:\program files\adobe\Adobe premiere Pro CS5, but don't know how to run it. In cmd.exe I end up in C:\users\keith. what then? How do I get the List of information and instructions shown?
kdoc
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235. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
medeamajic Jun 23, 2010 7:52 PM (in response to chupacabracobra)chupacabracobra,
I agree with you. I do hope that in a few months they will release PP CS 5.21 and all CUDA enabled cards will be detected by default. No more hacking!
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236. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
vecomvideo Jul 13, 2010 10:19 AM (in response to kdd108)Hello,
I have a GTX 295, on a 64 windows 7 family editions.
I did follow step by step the hack, but it doesn't work...
Premiere Pro CS5 does not starts. If I erase the line "GeForce GTX 295" in the cuda_supported_cards.txt then Premiere starts but still don't recognize the GPU mercury acceleration in the premiere settings.
Please, if you have any solution let me know.
sincerly
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237. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
Jeff Bellune Jul 13, 2010 11:34 AM (in response to vecomvideo)Please don't cross-post. I deleted your other posts.
-Jeff
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238. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
Tim Kolb Jul 13, 2010 3:24 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Wow,
I thought the conspiracy stuff had run its course on some of the other forums outside, but it lives on here I see...
I suppose that I'm a "fogey", but I have not been accused of being an apologist for Adobe on anything I think they've made a mistake on...but here's a take some of you may not have considered:
1. Adobe does not have infinite resources and they decided to QC each card they "certified" and make sure they knew what the specifics were...that way they can support users.
2. PNY has a support staff that is on the other end of the phone to help with Quadro cards...and of course having people available to troubleshoot issues who know what they're talking about isn't inexpensive.
I have no idea what sort of support the consumer cards have, or if those who support them understand anything about video production and the other peripherals they need to co-exist with, and the color spaces and framerates and sizes that are employed in professional video production. If I need to know why the texture mapping is whack on Halo...maybe there is someone who can answer that question in the consumer card part of NVIDIA. (No, I'm not being sarcastic...gamer cards aren't cheaper because the professional cards are a ripoff...gamer cards are a consumer product with no support infrastructure relative to pro-level cards.)
3. Adobe has been abused in the past for various stability issues relative to Avid and FCP...both systems that are still FAR more restrictive in their configuration than PPro...whay do you think that is? So, Adobe is narrowing the hardware they support so they can verify it... To a professional, this is valuable. Several hundred or even several thousand dollars for a display card that is supported could easily be the losses incurred while trying to solve a conflict with a consumer card. I do not mess around with my computer for a living...I do production with it. If I'm troubleshooting, I'm losing money...fast.
Users are going to have to decide whether they like the fact that PPro is more professional, and the investment to set up an appropriate system is what one would expect for any other professional NLE system...OR decide to get some other product that is more appropriate for a hobbyist. The high end of the production industry is taking notice of PPro CS5...and it's because of exactly what Adobe is doing to stabilize the system and optimize responsiveness. Certainly anyone who has set up an appropriate Avid or FCP system to handle HD as well as CS5 does wouldn't find these cost considerations unreasonable....
4. Consumer display cards have driver updates frequently. Professional cards don't have driver updates nearly as frequently... What's possible to QC? With all the possible configurations on the Windows side of the equation, combined with all the models of consumer cards (just think how many GTX series models there are alone, not to mention other manufacturers...), how could Adobe even keep these drivers QC'd?
This whole conspiracy thing is exciting for some to keep churning, but then Avid and certainly Apple must have their own covert operatives as they've been involved in plots like this for a decade.... . Adobe is doing with Quadro cards what Avid has been doing for years upon years with their hardware systems...and Autodesk...and others... They've all had hardware based systems that lean on a Quadro card for extra processing muscle, and they don't give you a choice, it's part of the rig.
Adobe has taken a LOT of abuse for being something less than "professional quality" in the minds of many of the more visible post professionals at the top of our industry for a long time...some of that assessment has been deserved and some of has been really undeserved. CS5 seems very solid to me. Mercury runs very well on a system with a big CPU and no GPU as well... AVCHD and DSLR footage isn't for underpowered computers anyway, and the GPU only takes over the effects preview...NOT the video decode.
As far as being "forced" to upgrade?
The industry is "upgrading" everything all around you...tapeless formats...highly compressed files...motion RAW 4K.... If you resent Adobe going 64 bit, or using specific peripherals, how are you handling acquisition? Have you had to switch from P2 to SxS? Why wouldn't Panasonic and Sony use the same type of card? ....hmmmm.
Do you really think that Adobe is moving their software to 64 bit unecessarily? FCP has had a 64 bit OS for some time now, and its relative stability in the last couple years has left PPro looking a little rough as Adobe has tried to stay 32 bit compatible for two versions past where they probably should have. CS3 was well known to run like a jet fighter on a 64 bit OS, but many of us still spent our time on web forums telling cranky users, trying to run the CS4 Master Suite on their 5 year old dual core Intel running XP Home with 2 GB of RAM, that they just might be underpowered...and they reply that Adobe is causing this problem. People scream for feature add ons, and then complain that it takes beefier hardware to run the software...
I'm a professional, and as hard as things have been economically lately, I understand exactly what Adobe is doing. They're taking an editing tool that has always had potential to be something better and finally reached a point where all the pieces have come together and they've given this tool credibility in the larger market...
I'm teaching an intermediate PPro CS5 course on fxphd.com this term...normally the dominion of Nuke and Flame and Smoke (and Avid and FCP) with teachers from Pixar and WETA. Think things haven't changed?
I guess users can fret about conspiracies created to make them spend a couple hundred dollars, and resent having to upgrade their OS, or even their computer, but PPro CS5 is going to give Adobe users a credibility boost in the marketplace because of the leaps Adobe has taken with it. Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it the answer for every budget? Also unlikely. Have the changes to CS5 made it a worthy competitor at the high-stakes end of the market?
Yes.
I don't go to a Mercedes dealership and yell at the salesman because the tires on the car are overpriced and I can't afford the maintenance...It's not their problem. I drive a plain old Ford. It meets my needs and my budget. That's not being arrogant...that's just how it is.
TimK
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239. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
firetrak Jul 13, 2010 6:02 PM (in response to Tim Kolb)Hi, All
Is this card supported officially?
GIGABYTE GV-N285UD-1GH GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
supposed to be according to these forums and adobe, just want to make sure.
thanks







