Unfortunately, anyone who really knows is obligated NOT to disclose that information. If you follow the forums on a regular basis, and are aware of news releases, you will know as soon as anyone else does. None of us know anymore. Except, of course, for those who know but cannot say.
JimHess is right - anybody who definitively knows is likely under nondisclosure obligation...
One anecdotal approach would be to go based on release history. Lightroom 1 and Lightroom 2 came about a year and a half apart... Also the releases of the first two versions of Apple Aperture were similarly timed, and close to the windows when Lightroom came out. And now we have recent availability of Aperture 3 - so if that is any indication, we might look for a launch of Lightroom 3 sometime later this year... My guess is Adobe would want to stay in close version lockstep with Aperture.
And in such event, hopefully Adobe would keep the Lightroom version upgrade price at $99 or less, so that recent buyers could move from 2.x to 3.0 without too much additional outlay.
Given how much I like the improvements they made just in the beta version, I sure hope we don't have to wait a whole lot longer. I'm really looking forward to seeing how much more they've added in terms of social media uploading/sharing and the ability to create multiple output formats, 'cause having 1 program able to handle almost all of my output needs instead of 2-3 would be incredibly helpful to speed up workflow.
Simply having the improvements associated with noise handling that I've seen when processing Leica M9 files would be enough for me. Please Adobe - LR3 as soon as possible?
I'm with you Chris and for the same reason. I look forward to upgrading. It is a nuisance to have two LR versions concurrently (2.6.1 & 3 beta). I imagine that the new edge detail function in noise reduction may be beneficial to the particular species of DNG that the M9 produces? I have no idea what's changed in the engine of course.
What is causing me consternation is where I need to switch back and forth amongst 2x LR versions and Camera Raw. File versions and catalogs get very muddled for me. Then you have the gotcha of opening an M9 file in ACR without thinking, followed by a crash. I know that the Adobe folks have said that fix is in progrees. I can stand to wait for LR3 but that particular glitch is hurting me. I would speculate that we won't see any more point upgrades past LR2.6 and ACR5.6 before the 3 series starts. Let's see what that means for upgrade prices too.
The big unknown for Leica M9, S2, X1 owners of course is whether we will be able to use our LR licence from Leica to get LR3, where we've already paid for LR before buying cameras with the new licence.
By the way I recently shot the S2 and X1 and was interested to see that the X1 already has an Adobe Standard profile. Still on the Embedded only with the S2. There will need to be S2 specific support, not just the native DNG functionality in the LR that S2 buyers receive a licence for. That may be an area for Leica Camera AG and their agreements with Adobe rather than anything just Adobe specific though.
Now that new Aperture is out, hopefully Adobe will release soon.
I know nothing official, but I'll make an educated guess.
Beta times out 30 April - 6 weeks - so something will happen before then (given that the wording was "The Lightroom 3 beta will expire after Lightroom 3.0 is available")
And Photoshop World is on next week, so I'm putting my money on an announcement then.
But I could be completely wrong ... I've been waiting expectantly every Tuesday since December for the announcement of the new MacBook Pro's - but these are yet to materialise.
Wanted to follow up - just completed a full and fresh analysis on this question (details here if you're interested)... Our best estimate on the release date for Lightroom version 3.0 is shipping in June.
It does get frustrating... Adobe handles release dates and proposed program contents like they were the nation's nuclear strike "football". For those of us who are deeply into photography, want to use Adobe (or already do) , but are without unlimited funds it would be nice to be able to compare the new PS CS5 with LR 3.0. As CS5 is coming out in a week and all good "guesses" are that LR will be out in June or so it would seem reasonable that Adobe knows exactly what the capabilities of both programs are going to be. From reading about the Beta of LR (sans the full Developing Tools) the "word" is that it will be able to handle about 98% of the normal photographers needs for manipulation and enhancement and will be a greatly improved program.
Adobe's hope is, no doubt, that PS CS5 will be regarded by the consumer as a "must have" with all its new bells and whistles... and, without anything to go on as to the the final contents of LR3, or a release date, that the consumer may "leap" to PS CS5... only to find out in a few months or so that the new LR would have totally met his/her needs... There is also no doubt, from "tidbits of released information" that both programs are going to be vastly improved and will include some great new innovations... If CS5 is meant to "celebrate" Adobe's 20th anniversary it would have been nice to throw LR3 into the mix as well.
Hopefully, Adobe has listened to the users regarding suggestions for LR3 (Soft Proofing for one) and that the program will finally evolve to what it should be... a strictly photographic database and developing system... and leave PS (which, ironically, should really have another name) for the artists, graphics, 3-D, designers, and layout artists.
So what happens... for me I will wait until both programs are out and then decide if I want either of them... Will they probably be able to assist my buisniess needs and processing better than CS4 and LR2... yes, probably... would I like to have them both... yes, probably... I just don't care for the "planned" timing and "the customer can wait until we're ready to tell them" feeling I get from Adobe .
At some point I hope that Adobe will realize that "customer service" should receive as much attention as "marketing". In the long run it would probably sell a lot more products.... Just my humble observation.
I hear you Bill, and although I don't know for sure, I don't think it was deliberate on Adobe's part... I just think it was the crush of CS5. After CS4 got released into the teeth of an economic maelstrom in 2008, Adobe probably wanted to marshal all available resources and bandwidth to help ensure CS5 was a smashing success...
For the last major product cycle, it was Lightroom 2 that got released just ahead of CS4, so there it happened to work out the other way around.
The good news here is we have two betas now for LR3 so a pretty good idea of what will be coming down the pike in (hopefully) another couple months.
Bill in Anacortes wrote:
It does get frustrating... Adobe handles release dates and proposed program contents like they were the nation's nuclear strike "football".
Actually, that's not true...if you pay attention, Adobe generally telegraphs a lot of the timing of product releases and even product features in their public betas...if you want to see a company that operates in KGB like secrecy take a look at Apple.
The fact that YOUR product needs and the timing of Adobe product releases may not mesh isn't really Adobe's fault, is it? As pointed out, last time Lightroom 2 came out BEFORE Photoshop CS4. This time it'll be the other way around.
That's what happens when you have development cycles that are set by engineering and development times and not marketing and promotions...Adobe tries to do product releases every 18-24 months...that is the historical cycle and it's pretty darn consistent. You should plan your purchase timing based on that.
"Actually, that's not true...if you pay attention, Adobe generally telegraphs a lot of the timing of product releases and even product features in their public betas..."
I do "pay attention" (typical Adobe type Answer) and have noted that the Adobe site indicates that "some" but "not all" of the Develop tools are available in the Beta.... and "hints" at "future" content... Also noting that a lot of people are having problems with the Beta... All of which I am sure will be worked out.... and a great new product will be presented. To be sure, there is nothing about what LR3 will have, and won't have, in comparison to PS CS5.
"The fact that YOUR product needs and the timing of Adobe product releases may not mesh isn't really Adobe's fault, is it?"
Nice Jeff, maybe you'd better reread the text of the letter without the bias.
You also seem to overlook that I indicate I presently use both PSCS4 and LightRoom (2.6). and love the programs... just not the attitude. Whatever the case, it was just a casual observation.... and a personal opinion... I believe we can still have those in today's world can't we?
We can agree on one thing... Apple.
The other response I got, from Pro Design Tools, was both more informative and one heck of a lot less defensive in nature.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
One thing that is common to PS CS and Lightroom is the raw processing engine so that once PS CS5 is released with ACR 6.x we will know what raw processing features will be present in LR 3.x. That is the core function of Lightroom the other features of Library, Web, Print, etc are incindental and not common to PS so I do not understand the concern.
Bill in Anacortes wrote:
We can agree on one thing... Apple.
So, we agree that your assessment that Adobe "handles release dates and proposed program contents like they were the nation's nuclear strike "football"." is not a really accurate characterization? Particularly when Adobe is compared to Apple?
Look, the dev schedules are capricious and entirely dependent certain factors outside the direct control of Adobe such as Apple forcing Cocoa down Adobe's throat because Apple decided to renege on a promise of a 64 bit version of Carbon (even after delivering an alpha that was working). That's what dictated CS5's dev cycle...Lightroom's dev cycle was based on entirely different issues that had nothing to do with Cocoa (Lightroom was Adobe's first app using Cocoa API's) and had more to do with major architectural changes taking a lot of time.
The point is, none of this was directed at you and you shouldn't try to personalize the circumstances...the stuff will be released when it's released and it might not be the best time for you...life sucks, get a dog!
No, that is NOT what I said... Pointless to go on... You obviously don't have anything constructive to say... and your comments were personal. For Adobe's sake I sure hope you don't work for them. End Message... End Comments
Yeah, yeah, whatever...don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion, right?
No, I don't work FOR Adobe, I sometimes work WITH Adobe which is one of the reasons I don't like people taking "pot shots" at the "big, bad Adobe" because the vast majority of people offering "comments" on what Adobe is or isn't doing simply don't have a cue...
Bill in Anacortes wrote:
End Message... End Comments
Promise... By the way it's "clue" not cue... Nice to know Adobe has such an intelligent person defending them.
Bill in Anacortes wrote:
By the way it's "clue" not cue...
Oh, wow...that's an incredibly important insight...
Kudos to you for pointing that out...so, does that make you feel better?
You figure you got one over on me? Have fun...bud!!!
CS5 will be officially announced on Mon. April 12th...hope that helps you make your decisions...
Really, you'll want CS5 _AND_ Lightroom 3...really!
Another clue that might point to a June release - Kelby Training Live has several tour dates for July for LR Live sessions but not before that. I'm guessing they are timing those to coincide with the new version.
How refreshing to read a post that progresses the subject in an articulate and intelligent manner. Devoid I might add of overbearing angst and distorted English. Big fish in small ponds, and even small fish in puddles, spring to mind.
Now THAT'S a clue. Thank you kis-bear2.
Pro Design Tools... DdeGannes ... Kis-Bear 2 ...Rockshead
- Thank you all for your informative input. Your thoughts, combined with a lecture given at our camera club last night by a PS/LR instructor at one of our local colleges, has filled in some blanks. Using both programs, as I do, in my photographic business, I have been a bit reluctant to use the Beta version of LR3 with the possible Catalog issues when the final version comes out. While I don't know where he obtained his information our guest too was of the opinion that LR3 would be appearing the middle to later part of June and would be replete with great new "goodies"
As we have seen on various Internet sites, the performance, "engine", and new innovations in the new PS CS5 promise to be fantastic as well... Like most users that concentrate about 98% on photo work it will be interesting to see how many of these "gotta haves" make their way into LR3. Only time will tell. Don't forget the CS5 "Grand Internet Unveiling" at 8 AM PDT on Monday (April 12)... Adobe site has Registration for those interested.
True to the my actions of the past with PS, CS3, CS4,LR, LR2 I will probably end up upgrading to both new programs... Hopefully Adobe has listened to the vast amount of input over the past many months and will be including the ability for Soft Proofing (for one) our content within LR... This one feature would save us all a good deal of time as, over the years, we have all developed our own preferences for specific papers/appearance.... No doubt, there will remain processes that are, and will remain, CS5 specific but for about 90% of the cases (from what I have learned) LR will be able to handle whatever we throw at it.
Thanks again for the help... sorry for the slight excursion into the mundane... I guess Mr. Schewe (Jeff) was just being... well... Jeff.
Couple more clues by Adobe as posted today on DPR website. CS5 will ship within 30 days of today; and according to product manager, O'Neil Hughes, the ACR v.6.0 uses same processing engine as the latest Lr 3 Beta. As an aside, seems will also have a lens correction feature using lens profiles.
From the info I read in the anouncement the lens correction function is within PS CS5 not a new function of ACR 6.0. So I am not sure you will see it in LR 3.
Wow, so we may not even be close...like weeks close... it could be months?
Squabbling doesn't become a person with your abilities and high profile Jeff.
I don't know anything secret, didn't sign anything, and am not an Adobe insider. But, having run a software company for >20 years, I'd guess that it'll be several more months at least. The most recent public beta was released in late March. Figure at least 1-2 months to gather user input (otherwise, why do the public beta?) another 1-2 months to make final changes based on that input, then release to QA and packaging who will need it for 2-6 weeks (not sure about Adobe's processes). Add it all up, I wouldn't expect a final release before July, and September wouldn't shock me. I'd love to have them beat that prediction, but I'd rather have the production release be solid than have it be sooner.
Of course, if they release another public beta, push all that back a few months.
lightroom 3 beta 2
expire on 30 june i think lightroom 3 full release befor the 30 june
I'd love to have them beat that prediction, but I'd rather have the production release be solid than have it be sooner.
I'll second that! I'd rather wait than have a buggy version. (Are you listening Microsoft?)
I got email from NAPP today to preorder Scott's LR3 Book. So must be getting close
Did it say when the book will be published?
No it did not say when the book would be out. I am assuming not until after the
Release of LR3 to make sure all updates are covered.
But you are not charged until it ships
Hmm... Release date must be coming closer because Jeff Schewe is again hangin in here.
I have learned two things about Adobe:
1) It's useless to criticize Adobe announcement policy and communication, because it won't change. And it actually is not that bad (maybe not good either). And as said, Adobe isn't the worse in that situation. If Adobe is like "nation's nuclear strike "football"", then Apple definedly is like KGB.
2) It's better to hope that Adobe postpones their internally decided release date by atleast a month and consentrates on bug fixes. Lightroom 2.0 was IMO bad release. And there was too much bad bugs in 2.* releases. Was it one or even two point releases that were pulled back because bugs? And keyword corruption in conversion from 1.* to 2.0. I'd rather take better 3.0 later than rushed realease as fast as possible.
Anyway LR team: Take your time and good summer.
...I agree, take your time & get it right...if anyone needs it so badly they must not be doing something right...go out and take photographs for a change...when you are Ansel Adams come back & *****...and NAPP is going to take your money as quickly as you want to give it to them...
Well are we getting close to the actual release date.
Anyone heard anything
Might be a good time for an update on this, as it could be just around the corner now...
Possibly within a matter of weeks.
Hey, "ProDesignTools", here's an idea for you - why not make posts that don't plug your web site?
Of 100+ posts you've made in various Adobe forums since registering 2 months ago, I can't find a single one that fails to plug your site. Wow, it must be a great site! OK, working out LR's release date from the beta expiry date may not qualify as "hold the front page!!!" material, and then it's a bit tough to fight past all those ways to buy Adobe products via you of course, all those exe and dmg files of all Adobe's products that you're hosting, or past all those pages of content built by parsing RSS feeds or movies from Adobe. Maybe I missed something though and there is something original there. But you know, if it's that great a site, don't you think people would find it without your needing to plug it so relentlessly?
Hi John, I'm sorry you feel that way. In fact, there are two posts above in this very thread that don't "plug" anything, if you just scroll up a little... We're trying to fill a need here with the site and if you don't agree that's certainly your prerogative. But I can assure you there are many, many, many other folks who have been grateful for the help, downloads, answers, videos, savings, insights, and other assistance that we've been providing, and their comments on the blog speak for themselves.
Further, if you ask longtime Forum leaders like Bill Hunt and others about how helpful we've been here over the past three months, you'll get a very different and much more positive reaction... (e.g., here and here and here) And last week Adobe's VP of Engineering for the Creative Suite sent a surprise personal note, "I appreciate all you are doing to improve the experience for CS5 customers." Adobe is a big company and sometimes they cannot easily move with the speed and nimbleness of a smaller site to address and answer emerging customer service needs and questions.
If there's one issue, it's that it takes a lot of time and research to put together our content and it's far easier to refer interested readers to our site, than to carefully recreate a new and complete article local to Adobe Forums that duplicates the content. I can understand how that might seem like an issue - so once again, my apologies if you're unhappy. Fortunately, it seems there are many others who have benefited.
Be well and have a good weekend.