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      • 40. Re: What PC to build?
        Bill Gehrke CommunityMVP

        Rowby, here is my first cut at my tuning list for Win 7 64 Pro

        You may have to make your own decisions on each of these services based on your usage of your computer.  My goals were to set this up as a second (actually third) almost only editing and really primarily benchmarking machine.

        • 41. Re: What PC to build?
          acgold777 Community Member

          Note that many people have reported problems with the LG GGW-H20L BD burner disappearing under Win7, never to return.  I'm one of them.  It worked perfectly under Vista 64 but none of the fixes proposed on the web have worked for me.  Device Manager reports a problem with the driver but the Microsoft troubleshooters say they can't find a better one.

           

          Fixes proposed on the web and in various forums include uninstalling and letting the system reinstall, hacking the registry, running the Microsoft Auto-Fix program and disabling AHCI on the mobo.  The drive is not listed in the Win7 compatibility list and the LG website includes drivers and SW only for XP and Vista.

           

          Others are recommending the Pioneer BDR-205.  I've just ordered one.

          • 42. Re: What PC to build?
            Bill Gehrke CommunityMVP

            acgold777 wrote:

             

            Note that many people have reported problems with the LG GGW-H20L BD burner disappearing under Win7, never to return.  I'm one of them.  It worked perfectly under Vista 64 but none of the fixes proposed on the web have worked for me.  Device Manager reports a problem with the driver but the Microsoft troubleshooters say they can't find a better one.

             

            Fixes proposed on the web and in various forums include uninstalling and letting the system reinstall, hacking the registry, running the Microsoft Auto-Fix program and disabling AHCI on the mobo.  The drive is not listed in the Win7 compatibility list and the LG website includes drivers and SW only for XP and Vista.

             

            Strange, That is what I have and never any sign of a problem and I imagine that I have burned well over a hundred successful DVD's and a few assorted BR's.  Here is what Device Manager reports for me.

             

            LG-BG.jpg

            • 43. Re: What PC to build?
              acgold777 Community Member

              Thanks for posting that, Bill.  It's the same driver mine shows.  Hmmm....

               

              Here's another thought.  I think the drive is connected to an IDE controller, not SATA.  Could this be the problem?  All the Device Manager data talks about IDE and I'm pretty sure the burner is not connected to any of the internal SATA ports on the mobo.  But if that's the issue, why did it work ok in Vista but not Win7?  And do you know if there's a setting I can tweak if Explorer cannot see the drive?  Or should I bite the bullet, kill a Hard drive and use that port for the burner?

               

              Thoughts, anyone?  This is puzzling.

              • 44. Re: What PC to build?
                Bill Gehrke CommunityMVP

                Adam, can you see your burner in your BIOS?  You are confusing me with this statement

                 

                acgold777 wrote:

                 

                I think the drive is connected to an IDE controller, not SATA. 

                 

                IDE is the old 40 pin Parallel ATA interface and that would be impossible to connect to this drive which is SATA.  Are you sure it is even connected to anything?  I am not sure what motherboard you currently have but if I remember right you also had an X7DWA-N is that correct?  I believe that to use SATA ports 5 and 6 you have to have ACHI enabled.  Now it is not going to be easy to enable ACHI.  While I have heard of a few successful people enabling ACHI after you have Windows loaded it is not easily or normally do-able.  A sure way is to start all over and reload the OS and yes I know that was the last thing you wanted to hear.

                • 45. Re: What PC to build?
                  acgold777 Community Member

                  Yes, sorry, this is just me being stupid.  I opened up the box and it is the old Asus drive that is connected with a wide IDE cable.  The OS drive and the LG are connected via SATA to the SATA ports on the mobo (and yes, you remember correctly -- it is the X7DWA-N).

                   

                  I already have AHCI enabled; I went through that whole soap opera, including the BSOD and registry tweaks, a year ago.  So we had all six SATA ports working under Vista 64, but now under Win7 we're having the problem with the LG.  (It is connected to channel 2).  The Intel Matrix RAID storage manger does not at the moment see the drive at all, but I think it is because I've been messing around inside the case and did not properly re-seat the connector; Device Manager does not even see the drive either, but it used to.  Up until the last reboot I did have a blue flashing light on the LG, but not now.

                   

                  I'm on the Intel website now and I see they have an updated Matrix Storage Manager available; I'm going to try that.  In the meantime, all other thoughts are welcome.  Thanks for everything so far, Bill.

                   

                  EDIT:  Reseated the power cable (duh!) and drive powers up but same problem persists as before.  Downloaded and installed latest Intel Matrix Storage Manager found here http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=17882&ProdId=2101&lang=eng

                  and lo and behold.  It works.

                   

                  Here's an interesting thread which discusses the problem, and from which I got the link:

                   

                  http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=132422.0

                   

                  It theorizes that Win7's AHCI drivers are funny and should be replaced by Intel's.  Maybe so.  Ironically, it may have been the clean install of Win7, which everyone recommends over the "Upgrade" install, which did me in.  Formatting the OS HDD wiped out the Intel Matrix Storage Manager app, which was needed in order to see all the drives.  I'm not sure it was installing the newest version that helped, but just installing a version, period.

                   

                  Hope this helps others if they are having the same problem.

                  • 46. Re: What PC to build?
                    LaciG Community Member

                    Reading the thread (the first time), I put together (also using some of the 'Videoguys' suggestions) a plan for an editing 'workstation' to be used for editing HD hobby videos, and would appreciate any comment:

                    Thanks, LaciWorkstation.jpg

                    • 47. Re: What PC to build?
                      Harm Millaard Community Member

                      Skip the GTX-295, go for the GTX-470/480

                       

                      Get a better PSU: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Pro v2.5

                       

                      No floppy needed. Have you seen a shop that still sells them?

                       

                      Have a look at some of my articles, like

                       

                      Adobe Forums: A PC buying guide for NLE (mainly Intel)

                       

                      Adobe Forums: Storage rules for an editing rig. Some...

                       

                      and various others.

                      • 48. Re: What PC to build?
                        LaciG Community Member

                        Thanks! Started reading your publications...

                        • 49. Re: What PC to build?
                          LaciG Community Member

                          Read the two articles: they are very useful. In the meanwhile, I have two more questions: 1. What about a solid state 'drive'  for system 'disk' (I was told that they are faster, but rather small - and probably expensive). 2. This is about the case: Antec P183 looks good, has 120 mm top fan, 120 mm rear fan and 120 mm lower chamber fan. Is this enough for the system described above, or do I need the P193 with 2 x 140 mm top fans, 120 mm rear fan, 120 mm lower chamber fan and a 200 mm side fan? How does one calculate the needed fan 'farm' based on the power dissipation of the system? Also, would a slight over-clocking change the picture (other than an extra CPU fan)? Thanks, Laci.

                          • 50. Re: What PC to build?
                            Harm Millaard Community Member

                            First the case: neither is very good, because both are too limited in width to allow a large CPU cooler to be installed. Maximum height of a CPU cooler is 140 mm and that precludes the use of modern coolers like the Noctua NH-D14. I would always opt for a big tower, because of the easier installation, the better expansion capabilities, better cable management and better cooling capabilities.

                             

                            SSD's as a boot disk will probably shave of a couple of seconds from the boottime. For instance reducing it from 70 seconds to 65 seconds. It will also make the loading of applications like PR faster, reducing the load time from 6 seconds to 2 seconds as an example.

                             

                            Look at the time required for POST, the staggered spin-up of the disks, the initializing of raid BIOS and network connections, before Windows starts to load and realize that a SSD will have no impact on all that time at all, and that is by far the largest wait. Realize further that a SSD has no impact at all on the editing performance of your machine, that you normally only boot your machine once per day and load PR once per day, and the question is justified whether a 80 GB SSD for € 192 (current local prices) is worth it in comparison to a 1 TB F3 for € 60. Per GB a SSD is € 2.40 and the F3 is € 0.06, about 40 times more expensive. And the performance gain will be negligent.

                             

                            For notebooks it may well be worth considering, because there is usuallly only 1 disk, no raid controller to initialize, no staggered spin up and multiple times per day to boot again and battery use, but not for an editing workstation.

                             

                            All those  claimed high read and write speeds are great on paper, but does it make  your editing faster and more efficient? Testing has not proven that to be the case.

                             

                            It  all ranks under pennywise, pound foolish IMO.

                            • 51. Re: What PC to build?
                              Harm Millaard Community Member

                              In addition to my previous post, let's assume you plan a new system and are considering:

                               

                              SSD 80 GB for OS & programs and 2 x 1 TB F3 disks. Total cost at current local prices € 192 + 2 x € 60 = € 312

                               

                              The alternative is 5 x 1 TB F3 disks, one for OS & programs / page file and 4 x Raid5. Cost 5 x € 60 = € 300

                               

                              You will gain a significant performance boost during editing, as well as more storage space from the alternative at less cost. QED.

                              • 52. Re: What PC to build?
                                LaciG Community Member

                                Harm, Thanks for the advice. I haven't really considered the SSD (a salesperson suggested at Fry's which was already suspicious) but it is good to know for sure.  The last 15 years of my professional life, before I retired last year, I worked for a design house and after that for Intel as a quality/reliability engineer using my physics background. I (used to ) know a lot about device physiscs/reliability but next to nothing about design and the computer inner workings - or about RAID for that matter. I got the more serious movie making and computer building 'bug' may be a year ago, and dived into it more seriously just a couple of months ago.

                                 

                                As for the computer case, I will look further (I liked the smooth design of the P183/193 mostly probably due to my age   -  I do not like all the flashing lights, etc. on a computer case). But what the most important for designing my new computer is after my 7 year old Dell Dimension (and a first I will build myself) is the PC 'architecture': Processor, mother board, graphic card, and the storage. The first three have been decided (after your last reply), the only remaining issue is the storage.

                                 

                                So, I read your tutorial and the discussion chain ("To RAID, or not to RAID...") and a good article in Wikipedia, yesterday. I like your advice on the 5 x F3 1 TB disk (one for OS/programs/page file, and the other 4 for all else in a RAID 5 configuration). Please, let me know if I am right: 1. The OS (and the user) will see the four disks in RAID as one drive. (From Wikipedia.)  2. The data can be restored after one disk failure. (Automatically?)  3. I do not need any extra hardware for RAID 5 - the OS will do it for me. 4. I can ('manually') back up the 'system drive' to an external drive periodically. (I do it right now with my old computer.)  5. However, this arrangement doesn't make it possible to use some of the other suggestions in the discussion after your article (use separate disks for projects and indexed/conformed files; for cache, previews; for media, etc. Is this a real disadvantage?

                                 

                                Please, consider that presently I am using PrE 7.0 on a 7 year old computer (with regular 'manual' backups with Acronis) and only for hobby (family/trips, etc.) With the new computer, I would like to edit AVCHD movies taken with Panasonic AG-HMC150 (my 'retirement present' for myself ) but still for hobby at least for the time being. With this new computer for editing I would like to use PrPRO CS 5 (and may be ENCORE CS5).

                                 

                                P.S. 1. What is F3? 2. I like that you have a 'space' between the numerical quantity and the unit unlike in most manuals and Internet comments nowadays (If I search for 1 TB on Google, it asks me: Did you mean 1TB?" Of course not! It might save a few bits but this is not even conforming with the American NIST style manual's suggestions (http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html).

                                • 53. Re: What PC to build?
                                  Dave514 Community Member

                                  LaciG & Harm:

                                  As to your computer case I lean toward an Antec 1200. It's large lots of space and plenty of fans. What say you Harm?

                                  • 54. Re: What PC to build?
                                    Harm Millaard Community Member

                                    F3 is the shorthand version of the Samsung Spinpoint F3 hard disk, one of the fastest and quietest disks on the market.

                                     

                                    It is in a different price bracket, but you get what you pay for and there is nothing better than the Lian Li PC-A77. Fabulous space, build quality and without all those ostentatious lights. The Antec 1200 is a good alternative, but since it is a gamers case, it includes all the LED fans and the transparent side panel. In comparison to the Lian Li is has no ventilation opening for the PSU, it misses the drive cage for 3 x 3.5" disks at the rear top, and misses a 1394 firewire port on the front and has only two USB ports versus 4 with the Lian Li.

                                    • 55. Re: What PC to build?
                                      LaciG Community Member

                                      Harm and Dave, Thanks for the suggestions for the case. I am looking into it. - Laci. P.S. Just one more question (in addition to the 4 questions in my previous message): My board is sATA III ready, is there any advantage to wait for / find a sATA III drive? Thanks again, Laci.

                                      • 56. Re: What PC to build?
                                        Harm Millaard Community Member

                                        Waiting for SATAIII does not make much sense, especially not with a raid5 on the ICHR10 chip, since SATAIII can only be used as single disks, unless you use software raid, which is a heavy burden for the system and there are only two SATAIII ports on the mobo, AFAIK.

                                         

                                        1. Yes

                                        2. Yes, but you have to give a Rebuild order

                                        3. No, use the on-board ICHR10 chip for that

                                        4. Yes

                                        5. No. That remark was for people afraid of Raids or with fewer disks.

                                        • 57. Re: What PC to build?
                                          LaciG Community Member

                                          Harm, Thanks for the help. Right now I only have two questions: how one uses the ICHR10 chip for the raid, and also, what you meant by 'have to give a Rebuild order' (if one disk fails. I guess, it is a software command somewhere). I will research the Internet, and if I can't find any answer, then I will ask you again. Thanks, Laci. P.S. I like your suggestion for the computer case very much (not the price though) and most probably will go with it.

                                          • 58. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                            MUMediaDept

                                            This is all great info.  I'm pretty excited about an upcoming build, but would love some input.

                                             

                                            With CS5 I'll be doing at most 3-4 AVCHD files at a time with minor effects.  I cover events, so an hour or two of footage is not unusual.  I'll be using AfterEffects quite a bit too.  And Audition 4 to edit some pretty long lectures (4 hour +).  Hopefully Audition will take advantage of multithreading somehow.).

                                             

                                            I have $3000 to spend this year and already have the following:

                                             

                                            4 old 74Gb Raptors (right now in raid 0 booting Vista 64, but will be moving to W7 64)

                                             

                                            2 good monitors (plenty for me)

                                             

                                            6 1TB drives in a raid 6.  (This right now suffices for storage, but out of 4 TB I only have one free, so I need to expand this.)

                                            a 3ware 9650SE-16 port raid card with battery backup

                                             

                                            An older Quadro card

                                             

                                            A decent sound card (which, I take it, is no longer important)

                                             

                                            A big old Coolermaster Stacker case running two power supplies (a 680watt for MB and a 580w on all my drives)

                                             

                                            Two 5-bay Sata backplanes (SUPERMICRO CSE-M35T-1B I think I need one more soon?)

                                             

                                            I think I could scare up another $1500 next year to add on a little more, so buying something now that's upgradable would be fine.  With that in mind, should I splurge on a single hexacore (x5650?) with that crazy EVGA SR2 board (I'm not afraid of moderate air-cooled overclocking)?  Or go for a tried-and-true Tyan with a couple of Xeons?  Or just overclock a single 930?

                                             

                                            And how much will a 480 help me in AfterEffects?  Should I instead throw the money at more CPU goodness?

                                            I just want to use the $3k to get the most performance possible.

                                            Thanks in advance

                                            -Tim

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            • 59. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                              John T Smith CommunityMVP

                                              >how much will a 480 help me in AfterEffects?

                                               

                                              You might want to check the AfterEffects PDF to veryify this, but I don't think CUDA/MPE does anything in AE, only in Premiere Pro CS5

                                               

                                              CS5 User Guide - Right click PDF link to save to your computer
                                              http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PremierePro/CS5/Using/index.html
                                              http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AfterEffects/CS5/Using/index.html
                                              http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Encore/CS5/Using/index.html

                                              • 60. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                                Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                Correct John, MPE does not work in AE.

                                                • 61. Re: What PC to build?
                                                  Jonnydark

                                                  Wow this is an excellent resource for people like me (who until now didn't have a clue where to start!) Thanks harm!

                                                   

                                                  I went through HP's pc building website and followed all the choices you've listed for Budget. Is there anything here that jumps out at you that you would change?

                                                   

                                                  My computing needs: I'm a technical illustration student and i'll be doing stuff with CS5, painter 11 as well as FormZ and possibly Maya. Probably some tiny little videos in Affter Effects.

                                                   

                                                  Note: I couldn't find the exact ATI HD card. Nor could i choose the motherboard.

                                                   

                                                  This setup costs: $1,273.99

                                                   

                                                  Thanks for your help!

                                                   

                                                  Operating  systemGenuine Windows  7 Professional 64-bitedit
                                                  ProcessorIntel(R)  Core(TM) i7-860 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3  cache]edit
                                                  Memory8GB  DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs] from 6GBedit
                                                  Hard  drive1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 640GBedit
                                                  Graphics  card1GB ATI Radeon  HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]edit
                                                  Primary  optical driveBlu-ray player  & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burneredit
                                                  NetworkingIntegrated  Ethernet port, No wireless LANedit
                                                  Front  Productivity Ports15-in-1 memory  card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audioedit
                                                  TV &  entertainment experienceNo TV Tuneredit
                                                  Sound  CardIntegrated  soundedit
                                                  SpeakersHP  USB 2.0 stereo speakersedit
                                                  Keyboard  and MouseHP USB  keyboard and optical mouseedit
                                                  Office  softwareMicrosoft  Office Starter 2010edit
                                                  Security  softwareNorton  Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 month
                                                  • 62. Re: What PC to build?
                                                    Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                    Looks like a nice budget system, but I suggest you add another hard disk.

                                                     

                                                    For video I would say add two disks, but for illustrations and Maya add at least one disk. You can buy this disk around the corner for probably half the price that HP charges and you can build it in yourself. Have a look at Samsung Spinpoint F3, very fast, quiet and affordable.

                                                     

                                                    There are some other articles I wrote, all in the hardware forum where you may get some additional background and info that is worthwhile to read. Just have a look around.

                                                    • 63. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                                      MUMediaDept Community Member

                                                      OK. 

                                                      Since the Quadros are pretty expensive, perhaps I should just get a 480 to handle PR and poke along on CPU power for AE.

                                                      AE is less of a priority.

                                                      • 64. Re: What PC to build?
                                                        Bill Gehrke CommunityMVP

                                                        Newegg currently has the Spinpoint F3 1 TB on special fo $65 with this code (you may have to sign up for it to be usable) EMCYTNN25.  Free shipping.

                                                        • 65. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                                          Bill Gehrke CommunityMVP

                                                          MUMediaDept wrote:

                                                           


                                                           

                                                          .... should I splurge on a single hexacore (x5650?) with that crazy EVGA SR2 board (I'm not afraid of moderate air-cooled overclocking)?  Or go for a tried-and-true Tyan with a couple of Xeons?  Or just overclock a single 930?

                                                           


                                                          -Tim

                                                           

                                                          There is no value for the x5650 Xeon's or for that matter any dual Xeon with Premiere.  Take a look at the ADK benchmark information and also at my PPBM site and see that dual Xeons are not among the leading scores.

                                                          • 66. Re: What to do with Current Hardware + $3k
                                                            LaciG Community Member

                                                            Harm, Bill, I started building (actually ordering parts for) my new computer. I already ordered the 5 F3 hard drives from

                                                            Newegg (and they accepted the discount code). I would just need an advice on a moderately priced Blu-ray burner (LG? Samsung?) There are so many out there, and so many (non-expert) opinions, that it is difficult to choose. Thanks, Laci.

                                                            • 67. Re: What PC to build?
                                                              shevm Community Member

                                                              Hi Harm,

                                                               

                                                              I can't thank you enough for the suggestions.

                                                               

                                                              Just another quick question though. I'm choosing Hard drives at the moment and everyone on here seems to love the SpinPoint drives.

                                                               

                                                              However, would you choose a Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ 32MB 1TB over a Caviar Black WD1002FAEX, 1000GB, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache, SATA-3?

                                                               

                                                              Thanks again!!!

                                                              • 68. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                The Caviar Blacks have the advantage of 64 MB cache, which is a definite advantage. However, WD Caviar Blacks are not suitable for raid configurations, due to that infamous WD TLER utility, that can no longer be changed in the latest Caviars.

                                                                 

                                                                Do not be fooled by the marketing hype around SATA-3. Yes, the theoretical bandwidth is much higher, but no current disks comes even close to approaching the bandwidth of SATA-2, let alone SATA-3.

                                                                • 69. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                  Scott Chichelli Community Member

                                                                  not sure what you are talking about Harm? we use WD's all the time in raid. (the newer ones)

                                                                   

                                                                  are you talking about the fact a drive can drop out of a raid 5/6 with numerous drives?

                                                                   

                                                                  Scott

                                                                  ADK

                                                                  • 70. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                    Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                                                    For continuous online backup, I've used Caviar Greens in a RAID 5 for a while now.  I was worried that Harm was right about the TLER stuff when my RAID degraded from 3 drives down to 2 a couple of weeks ago.

                                                                     

                                                                    Turns out the drive itself was going bad - really, really slow reads and writes in certain sectors of the disk.

                                                                     

                                                                    WD replaced the drive under warranty, and my RAID5 is humming along with 3 drives again.  Each Green drive is 2.0 TB, with the whole array being 4.0 TB.

                                                                     

                                                                    -Jeff

                                                                    • 71. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                      Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                      Out of curiosity, Jeff, what do you use for this continuous backup, a backup schedule or syncing. Or another approach?

                                                                      • 72. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                        Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                                                        I do 8 daily incremental backups and twice-weekly full backups of all my media and data drives.  The incrementals run every 2 hours automatically.  They're very fast because only the changed disk sectors are backed up.  The full backups are scheduled to run right after my twice-weekly defrag runs.  It makes no sense to do an incremental backup after a defrag pass since so many sectors are changed anyway.  I keep 2 full backup sets (full + incrementals) at all times.

                                                                         

                                                                        I use ShadowProtect and PerfectDisk.

                                                                         

                                                                        -Jeff

                                                                        • 73. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                          mooreka777 Community Member

                                                                          Hello There,

                                                                           

                                                                          Another PC build recommendation.  I pieced this stuff together from Tom's and here.  So, thanks for any guidance.  I "have" a budget for my computer, but really just want something that will quickly edit in premiere, indesign, photoshop, and lightroom.  Video is by far the biggest resource hog and don't know how to purchase for it. I plan to use one drive for the OS, one for local media, and one for cache.

                                                                           

                                                                          Without further ado, here is the system:

                                                                           

                                                                          LIAN LI PC-A70 ATX CASE

                                                                           

                                                                          1x 600GB VelociRaptor

                                                                          2x WD Cabiar Black 1T

                                                                          PSU - SeaSonic X750 Gold

                                                                          12GB (3x4GB) GSkill RpiJaws PC3 12800

                                                                          ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366

                                                                          i7-980X Extreme (I really don't want to spend the $$ on this, but with the 30% plus performance boost encoding is worth it)

                                                                          LG Blue-Ray Lightscribe DVD

                                                                           

                                                                          Total   -  ~$2500

                                                                           

                                                                          I have 2x24inch monitors and I can't budget in a new GPU.  I have an nVidia GTX 285 and really just want to replace those with my monitors next year.  I also have a droboelite for backup and shared storage.  So, I just need the local drive for workfiles.  Everything will be backed up, so I don't want to RAID the local disks (if I don't have too).

                                                                           

                                                                          Thanks for any help or guidance on this and if I am missing something  please let me know.

                                                                           

                                                                          -Kelly

                                                                          • 74. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                            Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                            Kelly,

                                                                             

                                                                            Your PSU may be a bit meager. 850 W would be better.

                                                                             

                                                                            The i7-980X is faster than the i7-930, but the performance gain is small when overclocked and may not justify the price difference.

                                                                             

                                                                            Look here: PPBM4 Benchmark and decide whether is may be worth to invest in a better disk setup with a lesser CPU but overclocked.

                                                                            • 75. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                              mooreka777 Community Member

                                                                              Thanks for the quick reply!

                                                                               

                                                                              I read the article/spreadsheet, but don't really understand what to get (sorry).

                                                                               

                                                                               

                                                                               

                                                                              So, if I downgrade to cpu to the i7-930 and keep the velociraptor as my OS, what disk config would you recommend for the $700 difference?

                                                                               

                                                                               

                                                                              Edited-To-Add (What power supply would you recommend as well).

                                                                               

                                                                              Thanks again,

                                                                              Kelly

                                                                              • 76. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                                Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                                Get an extra WD Caviar Black and go for a Corsair or CoolerMaster 850 W PSU. Keeps some money in your pocket as well.

                                                                                • 77. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                                  magneter Community Member

                                                                                  I just looked at the Drobos. Pretty interesting.

                                                                                  Do you know what is different about their patented technology than a standard external Raid array?

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Eric

                                                                                  • 78. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                                    Harm Millaard Community Member
                                                                                    I just looked at the Drobos. Pretty interesting.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Yes, for backup purposes only. For editing they are way too slow.

                                                                                    • 79. Re: What PC to build?
                                                                                      magneter Community Member

                                                                                      Yes I was thinking for backup. I just want to get my system built and I will consider internal Raid in the future.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I work mostly on large photoshop files. 200 to 600 megs so Ram is my main concern now. On my current XP system with 4 megs and have to go eat dinner or take naps just waiting for filter effects to complete.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I'm strongly considering 24GB of DDR3 2000 for $980

                                                                                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231359

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Eric

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