11 Replies Latest reply: Jun 4, 2010 12:04 PM by able123 RSS

    Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...

    b-child

      Hi,

       

      I need to convert a short video I have, which is in 4:3 aspect ratio to 16:9 by pillar-boxing it (i.e. add the balck stripes down the sides) - But I can't work out how do it in Premiere Pro CS4... I'm used to using FinalCut Pro.

       

      Any help (step-bystep, please) would be greatly appreciated.

       

      Thank you.

        • 1. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          All you have to do is place the 4:3 into a 16:9 Sequence and make sure that Scale to Frame Size is turned off. You should get exactly what you are seeking.

           

          If you are getting this translated to 16:9, then just use Interpret Footage to force CS4 to see it as it should be - 4:3.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
            J. Simon Community Member

            Pillar boxing is actually how you do the reverse, turn a 16:9 source into 4:3.

             

            There are a few ways to do what you ask.  Do you want to create a 16:9 final program, without black bars?  Or a 4:3 final program with black bars?

            • 3. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
              b-child Community Member

              Thanks for your replies guys...

               

              Basically, I have the video as WMV in 4:3 aspect ratio, it is going to be featured on a website with a flash media player embeded that only plays 16:9 video...

               

              I'm trying to avoid the situation where-by the frames are stretched (distorted) to fit the 16:9 aspect ratio. - So I figured that keeping the actual video (i.e. the the frames) at 4:3 and then fill-in the rest with black. And then I will export in H.264 format.

               

              I've done this with videos before when using Final Cut and it seems to work for the purposes.... but I don't have acess to Final Cut and I want to become more confident using Premiere...

               

              I tired creating a 16:9 project and ensuring that the "Scale to Frame Size" was unchecked.... this looked good in the Program Monitor... but when I exported... It just stretched it out to be 16:9.

               

              If there is a better technique... I'm all ears!

              • 4. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                b-child Community Member

                ...just to let you guys know... I managed to get the results I was looking for (in a roundabout way) by messing with distortion effects... it looks good at low resolution and is fine for the purpose it is intended.

                 

                I would be very keen on learning more tools / techniques for Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 (and above) - so if you could reccomend any good tutorials or learning resources, I would appreciate it.

                 

                Thanks again for your advice.

                • 5. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                  jeremy d. Adobe Employee

                  Maybe I'm missing something --

                   

                  If you've got a 16x9 clip, and you want to fit it in a 4x3 sequence, you're going to get a letterbox.

                  If you take a 4x3 clip and try to fit it in a 16x9 sequence, you'll get pillarboxing.

                   

                  JSS1138 wrote:

                   

                  Pillar boxing is actually how you do the reverse, turn a 16:9 source into 4:3.

                   

                  There are a few ways to do what you ask.  Do you want to create a 16:9 final program, without black bars?  Or a 4:3 final program with black bars?

                   

                   

                  So, you create a 16x9 sequence, and add the 4x3 clip into it.

                  If you do a Scale to Frame Size on the clip, it will resize the clip to fit the first edge it finds -- in this case, the clip would be resized to hit the top and bottom of the frame, leaving the sides black, or pillarboxed.

                   

                  This will ensure that the entire clip will be visible in the frame.

                   

                  You said up front that you want pillarboxing, right?

                  • 6. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                    Jeremy,

                     

                    That was my thinking too, hence my suggestion. It is no different than adding a vertical still image to a Timeline. I do not understand how if one has a 16:9 Sequence, and they add 4:3 material to it, with Scale to Frame Size OFF, how AME could change that footage. Does not make sense to me. It is just like a PiP, but without media beneath it.

                     

                    If this is some anomaly, then the tack that I would choose would be to insert Black Video onto Video Track 1 and then the 4:3 material onto Video Track 2.

                     

                    Something else, and something that we are not privy to, must be coming into play here.

                     

                    And as for the terminology, unless I mis-read the OP, the "pillar boxing" should apply, just as "letter boxing" would with 16:9 into 4:3, unless Scaling and the visual cropping (not the Effect>Crop) were factored in. Maybe I am missing something important?

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                      jeremy d. Adobe Employee
                      If this is some anomaly, then the tack that I would choose would be to insert Black Video onto Video Track 1 and then the 4:3 material onto Video Track 2.

                      Yup, me too. As far as AME goes, I am not an expert by any means, so I would eventually find my way to this workaround.

                       

                      And as for the terminology, unless I mis-read the OP, the "pillar boxing" should apply, just as "letter boxing" would with 16:9 into 4:3, unless Scaling and the visual cropping (not the Effect>Crop) were factored in. Maybe I am missing something important?

                       

                      That's what I'm picturing -- a square inside a rectangle.

                      If you just add the clip without the Scale to Frame Size on, you cannot be sure that the entire clip will be displayed in the frame.

                      • 8. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                        Stan Jones MVP

                        I have had a misunderstanding about scale to frame.  I always thought that scale to frame would distort.  But here's the CS4 help:

                         

                        http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PremierePro/4.0/WS0FACF67F-4C70-484f-BAA3-71B6A19DCA77.html

                         

                        If the par is interpreted correctly (Jeremie's assumption), the 4:3 will not distort into the 16:9 sequence frame size.  (FYI, CS3 says the same.)

                         

                        I wonder now if the 4:3 was not interpreted correctly and that messed the export up (but if it wasn't interpreted correctly, it should have distorted to 16:9), or if the export settings were messed up.

                        • 9. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                          jeremy d. Adobe Employee

                          I think it's AME, probably the settings, but maybe not.

                          I would try exporting it to something simple and easy, and then compare that to the one you already made -- it's h.264, isn't it?

                          • 10. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                            J. Simon Community Member

                            Maybe I'm missing something --

                             

                            Nope.  I was.  Didn't fully understand what the OP wanted till a later post.

                            • 11. Re: Convert 4:3 video to 16:9 by pillarboxing...
                              Community Member

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                              If this is some anomaly, then the tack that I would choose would be to insert Black Video onto Video Track 1 and then the 4:3 material onto Video Track 2.

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                              I've done the above too....it seems to 'FORCE' keeping the 16:9 aspect....when exporting.....using CS3

                               

                               

                              I'm going on experience when I was " doing gymnastics"....( hehe....old joke )...using a smaller project to put bigger video so I could scale and position to simulate zooming and panning...don't know if you-all remember that ??  .....anyway, the black video forced the aspect ratio to stay put...and the video got exported correctly ( with black where it belonged )..

                               

                               

                              Rod