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1. Re: Water Cooling
John T Smith Jun 10, 2010 8:57 AM (in response to Studio North Films)I've seen a lot of discussion here concerning cooling towers, but I don't remember any water cooling mention (could have missed that)
You might want to Google for sites that review water cooling for gaming
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2. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 10, 2010 9:33 AM (in response to John T Smith)Hi, John
I know what the advanatges are by going Water cooled. I am looking for feedback from a editing point of view. is it worth the cost ???
I would have to go for a bigger case,looking at the Lian Li 343B.
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1001.html
I would then use two water sytems one for the MOBO & CPU, and one for the GPU.
Baz
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3. Re: Water Cooling
John T Smith Jun 10, 2010 12:42 PM (in response to Studio North Films)>editing point of view. is it worth the cost ???
Well, as I said, I do not **remember** any previous discussions of water cooling in any of the Premiere forums
But... have you done a forum search?
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4. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 10, 2010 1:23 PM (in response to John T Smith)nothing on here, i think i might give it ago.
as my supplier is giving me the bits at cost price, for being a long term customer.
baz
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5. Re: Water Cooling
Scott Chichelli Jun 10, 2010 2:42 PM (in response to Studio North Films)for the most part completely worthless unless you intend to do crazy over clocks.
while i sell OCed systems i dont recommend crazy OCs for a pro system
fine for gaming.
Scott
ADK
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6. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 10, 2010 2:58 PM (in response to Scott Chichelli)Hi, Scott
The GTX 480 Run pretty Hot as Standard, And Even a OC CPU @4.2 GHZ run Hot even with a good air cooler.As all the other components in the system case all produce Heat and its a flying around, with watercooling I should be able to get the GTX & The CPU Running At Better Temps for optimum performance.
Baz
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7. Re: Water Cooling
Harm Millaard Jun 10, 2010 3:13 PM (in response to Studio North Films)Baz,
First, I have never tried it so have no hands on experience, but from what I have read about it, differences are minimal in temps, but the sound is of course much better. If you want REAL cooling, go for a nitrox setup, but I think you are overdoing it a bit and I concur with Scott on this.
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8. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 10, 2010 3:20 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)scott & Harm
thanks for the input,
I was told i would get aprox 20c less temps.
yes i sometimes get carried away, its good to here from someone else to make you think sense.
Baz
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9. Re: Water Cooling
demoncamber Jun 10, 2010 4:36 PM (in response to Studio North Films)I have a watercooled setup here, I use this system for OCing, gaming and editing. If you do not like the sounds of fans running constantly, then WC is definitiely worth looking into. You can get a decent little system for not too much money. It really depends on what temps you would like to see and will depend on how big of a radiator and resivour you put on it, the bigger the better and the lower the temps. I personally have the XSPC X2O Delta 450 CPU WaterCooling Kit http://xspc.biz/x2odelta450.php with an upgraded radiator and it works great for my overclocked phenom II 965 cpu @ 3.9Ghz.
Stop by the forum I frequent for any more questions that will be more appropriate here:
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10. Re: Water Cooling
shooternz Jun 10, 2010 7:22 PM (in response to Studio North Films)Has anyone on here Water cooled there CPU, MOBO, or GPU.
I am thinking about taking this route, as i have seen very good results.
Baz
Does my water cooled Ducati count for anything ....or is it just cool...
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11. Re: Water Cooling
John T Smith Jun 10, 2010 8:12 PM (in response to shooternz)How many CUDA cores in a Ducati?
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12. Re: Water Cooling
shooternz Jun 10, 2010 8:26 PM (in response to John T Smith)D U C A ti = Italian for C U D A power
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13. Re: Water Cooling
Bill Hunt Jun 12, 2010 3:05 PM (in response to Studio North Films)Baz,
My builder has been shy of liquid cooling in the past, but has been building a series of 3D medical graphics stations, and has changed his mind. For these, he's doing liquid cooling, but I'm not sure of the system. So far, he, and the client are very happy.
I'll get the specs. and add 'em on.
Good luck,
Hunt
PS - I'm thinking about running duct work from my wine cellar (55F) and forcing it through the case. However, I am afraid that the aroma of a fine Burg might not let me concentrate on editing, as I should.
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14. Re: Water Cooling
rowby Jun 12, 2010 6:49 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Looking forward to seeing the results of your liquid cooling system. Keep us posted.
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15. Re: Water Cooling
rowby Jun 12, 2010 8:15 PM (in response to Studio North Films)This YouTube video features a unit that uses water cooling, and a GTX 480.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lyJxBtQqMg
Also this:
http://www.youtube.com/user/b2dmastersniper#p/u/4/vvoUDtBs8y4
...Rowby
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16. Re: Water Cooling
demoncamber Jun 13, 2010 10:44 AM (in response to rowby)Also, If you are just starting to get into watercooling, it might benefit you to try Corsairs sealed H50 system that requires no maintenance at all. http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/default.aspx
The issue with regular water cooling systems are that you have to change the coolant at least once a year, more if the tubes are in direct sunlight. And you also have to worry about contamination and buildup in your loop which will eventually clog the fins on the cpu/gpu cooling blocks. So it certainly is not a "set it and forget it" kind of thing.
That's the advantage of the sealed Corsair system that requires no care, Coolit domino is another type of sealed no maintenance product.
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17. Re: Water Cooling
rowby Jun 13, 2010 7:02 PM (in response to demoncamber)Lots of fascinating links on that site. Here is one that people concerned with heat / fan noise might take a look at and give us their feedback.
http://cde.cerosmedia.com/The_Overclocker_issue_8/1W4b3202bb6e3e3558.cde
Rowby
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18. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 14, 2010 1:46 AM (in response to Studio North Films)thanks for all the info,
Baz
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19. Re: Water Cooling
rowby Jun 14, 2010 3:09 AM (in response to Studio North Films)I guess the main question for me is will the Corsair system cool the system down enough, compared to regular fans.
Here's some testing or the Corsair by Tweaktown: http://www.viddler.com/explore/TweakTown/videos/12/51.241/
Can anyone here look at that video and give their comments regarding how well the Corsair compares to traditional fan systems???
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20. Re: Water Cooling
rowby Jun 14, 2010 7:15 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hi Bill,
Has your builder been able to let you know what water system he is using -- specs, etc.?
I am close to building my own system and would like to know more details!
Thanks
Rowby
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21. Re: Water Cooling
demoncamber Jun 15, 2010 1:07 PM (in response to rowby)http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h50-fort120,2370.html
here's a little review between the H50 and a few of the leading fan/heat pipe cooling solutions.
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22. Re: Water Cooling
321 rollem Jun 19, 2010 2:31 PM (in response to Studio North Films)I have.
What are your reasons for doing this?
I customized a Lian Li V1100b
Click to enlarge:
You'll need 1" spade bit, a 4-1/2" hole saw and some rubber grommets.. and a few other pieces of hardware.
No matter what you do, you are still bound by your ambients and your system will still give off heat.
Average cost is around 250-300$ for a good setup: 1 loop.
You'll want to go to Anandtech and ask Aigo in the Cases & Cooling section.
Just post a question and there are lots of people eager to help.
The best CPU block on the market is the Heat Killer:
http://www.jab-tech.com/Watercool-Heatkiller-CPU-LGA1366-Rev.-3.0-Copper-pr-4606.html
Use 1/2 ID barbs and 7/16th ID Master Kleer tubing and you won't have to worry about leaks. To fit the tubing over the barbs, you'll have to heat up the ends beforehand.
Use straight distilled water.
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23. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 19, 2010 3:16 PM (in response to 321 rollem)thanks for the pics, what is the clear part, that is under the fans and radiator on the top of the case. ???
Baz
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24. Re: Water Cooling
321 rollem Jun 19, 2010 3:39 PM (in response to Studio North Films)Those are just simple 120mm radiatior shrouds. It wasn't a bling decision.
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25. Re: Water Cooling
demoncamber Jun 19, 2010 3:50 PM (in response to 321 rollem)My setup isnt a bling decision either... Best thing about WC setups... No need for cable managment
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26. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 20, 2010 11:40 AM (in response to Studio North Films)I am really thinking of going ahead with the water cooling, I have been running prime 95 all day, with the side panel on,and it was getting pretty warm in there. @ full load I was getting aprox 78c max. i have plenty of fans in the case to blow out . the thing is with the gtx 480 running pretty hot as standard it does not help keeping temps low in the case. I am running 4.3 ghz. and i think water cooling will help alot. I am thinking of getting the mobo and cpu on one loop, and another loop for the gtx 480. I have spent so mutch on this build and want the best performance out of all the parts. and i think this is the way foward.
Baz
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27. Re: Water Cooling
321 rollem Jun 20, 2010 1:59 PM (in response to Studio North Films)If you are not a member on the Anandtech forums, create an account and ask about water cooling your rig in the Case & Cooling section. Aigomorla is very experienced in OC'ing and H20 cooling. He is the h20 moderator there.
If you are looking at 2 loops, you'll probably need around 400$
It is a fun adventure! My problem is I chose the wrong case to modify as it only has room for 1 drive...
The hardest part is finding an efficient place to put the radiators... the rest is cake walk; unless you need to cut and drill your case.
I ended up getting a dremmel kit and a few drill bits. 1" spade bit (makes nice clean hole cuts) 4-1/2" hole saw (terrible jagged edge cuts) but you can smooth those edges out or hide them.
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28. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 21, 2010 3:06 AM (in response to 321 rollem)Thanks for the info & help.
Baz
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29. Re: Water Cooling
Scott Chichelli Jun 21, 2010 9:06 AM (in response to Studio North Films)again i think water cooling is a complete waste of mney unless you are trying to do a crazy overclock (4.3 is a crazy oc to me)
as far as quiet most water cooling is louder than good qualilty QUIET case/cpu fans.
if this was a gaming forum i would get it.
??
Scott
ADK
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30. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 21, 2010 9:20 AM (in response to Scott Chichelli)most people on this forum overclock an i7-920 to 50% OC.
I have only Oc 30% within safe limits. on the 980x.
I am using good fans & a good CPU cooler. it just that even on non OC. it gets pretty hot inside the case.
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31. Re: Water Cooling
Jeff Bellune Jun 21, 2010 9:45 AM (in response to Studio North Films)Studio North wrote:
most people on this forum overclock an i7-920 to 50% OC.
I would disagree with that statement, unless the demographics have changed significantly in the last year or so.
-Jeff
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32. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 21, 2010 9:48 AM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Jeff
I was going by some of the benchmarks tests that have been done by Forum users.
an i7-920 @ 4ghz is pretty normal.
Baz
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33. Re: Water Cooling
Scott Chichelli Jun 21, 2010 9:55 AM (in response to Jeff Bellune)so would i.
920 is 2.66GHz 50% is a 4GHz OC. this is a very very uncommon air cooled OC and NOT the norm we had very few ever reach that
and none i woul sell in a professional workstation. (3.4-3.6GHz yes)
a normal OC for that is 3.6GHz or 35%
reagrdless you cant go by % per cpu.
all silicon made by intel comes from the same die line. (right now they are running 2 dies lines 45 and 32nm)
so a 920,930,940,950,960,975 and its 35xx series Xeons and the 55xx series Xeons ALL are the same silicon.
980x and 56xx series Xeons are the same
highest released speed 3.33GHz. Intel builds in about 25% safety buffer (especially after maturity) past the highest sold speed
however not all silicon will do that 25%.
realistically a 10%-15% OC above that highest speed is what you can get without agressive cooling.
with 32nm its a tad better as it has had a die shrink so lower thermals and they lowered voltage. 3.8-4ghz with the 980x is a normal OC.
again we dont do the crazy "gaming" OC anymore. Professional workstations need to be 100% stable not tweaked to the 9's and borderline.
Scott
ADK
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34. Re: Water Cooling
Jeff Bellune Jun 21, 2010 10:03 AM (in response to Studio North Films)Well, if you said that most forum members that run the benchmark OC their CPUs, that would be much more believable. I think the number of folks that actually run the benchmark is still a pretty small percentage of total members.
I, for one, wouldn't dream of overclocking any component in my system. I don't care how "safe" anyone says it is. If I want a faster clock I'll buy it.
(Let me rephrase that: If I *need* a faster clock I'll buy it. Sometimes want and need don't exactly coincide.)
-Jeff
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35. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 21, 2010 12:20 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Jeff
your last comment was not Funny. and you as a so called community pro should know better. people have there own opinions, thats life.And that does not bother me. I started this thread for a reason.
some of you on here are just joking around, if you cant help, then why even bother posting.
Baz
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36. Re: Water Cooling
demoncamber Jun 21, 2010 12:40 PM (in response to Studio North Films)You are just wasting money if you simply buy a faster chip because you want faster speeds, when you can just overclock a less expensive chip to the same speed as the more expensive one...
Many times they are the SAME CHIPS and you are only paying more for the same thing... I'll overclock anything and everything (including my netbook and cell phone) till the day I die.
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37. Re: Water Cooling
Jeff Bellune Jun 21, 2010 12:41 PM (in response to Studio North Films)your last comment was not Funny
Take it or leave it, Baz. I've got no hidden agendas. I sometimes find that I want much more than I can afford. And what I really need is often much cheaper than what I really want. I can say that with a smile because I think most everybody has felt the same way from time to time.
Water-cool and overclock all you want. It's your system.
-Jeff
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38. Re: Water Cooling
Studio North Films Jun 21, 2010 2:21 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Jeff
I will leave it, since you are not bothered.
I will rephraze that: I will leave it.
please dont bother to even reply. its not worth it.
thanks for your info anyway.
Baz








