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1. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 13, 2010 7:39 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Yep I have the same problem. Lightroom 2 was fine. The only way to get the image to display properly after each adjustment is to zoom in and out.
I'm really not happy about this. Surly this should have been picked up under beta testing.
I really would welcome a fix for this real quick!
Any Ideas?
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2. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
hillrg Jun 13, 2010 7:50 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
Si Guy aka Rayeza wrote:
Just thought id post this up.. see if anyone else is having probs.. everytime i make an image adj, esp in the basic tab the image only fully renders if i zoom into it.. this is getting on my nerves now.. and also they seem to have removed the really close magnification on the zoom.. another feature missed for me.
PLSPLSPLS Adobe...
Continual rendering or atleast the option..
And the super zoom back.Aaaaathankingyou.
Something is wrong. You should be seeing the results of any adjustment on the basic tab at all magnifications. Perhaps you can elaborate on what you mean by "fully renders". LR does take some shortcuts at magnifications other than 100% in the interest of performance.
Also, the zoom ratios are unchanged for LR2.
Rory
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3. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 13, 2010 8:21 AM (in response to hillrg)In My case I can see can see changes instantly, but its the resolution of the image that is lost until I magnify, then return to normal view.
Its more noticeable on images with curves and diagonal lines. They become jagged.
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4. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 13, 2010 9:07 AM (in response to hillrg)ok so what i mean is that i adj my image... it can be any tab really not just the basic.. and the resolution drops right off.. jagged curves etc.. but once i stop moving the slider it doesnt pop back to pin sharp quality.. jus just remains at a poor quality and i have to zoom in and out of the image to get it to sharpen up..
i dont know if u guys messed with beta but they had a level of zoom that was VERY close on cmd +.. you could literally see the pixels and when (say for instance) i was working on someones eyes it makes it easier to distinguish between two diff nodes... it all seems to have gone a bit clumsy again...
and as a final note the adjment brush takes a couple of seconds after i have depressed the mouse to actually show the effect... the beta v actually work better for me than the final version.. altho i will finish on a high note.. the import times are excellent.
i hope Adobe are watchin and working on the render issue atleast.. its making me feel like im not wearing my glasses.
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5. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 13, 2010 10:01 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Your problem is defiantly the same as mine, we cant be the only ones.
What is the spec of your system? and what os?
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6. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 13, 2010 10:06 AM (in response to dinkywhipboy1976)iMac 2.66ghz.. 4gb ram.. OSX 10.6.3
Yea.. we do.. will just have to wait for an update... until then... zoom in..... zoooom out haha.
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7. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 13, 2010 10:20 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Thanks, I'm on a Imac 24in 2.8GHz Running os 10.5.8. So upgrading to Snow leopard wont help me either.
Hopefully It will get resolved soon.
Nathan
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8. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Jao vdL Jun 13, 2010 10:35 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Are you really expecting Lightroom to render a full 100% preview image in real time? It is going to take at least a few seconds to calculate the entire image in full resolution from the raw data even on the fastest computers. That is what it has to do in the Library module (where the basic develop tools reside) in ordert to show you a zoomed in image after you change a parameter. In the Develop module, it simply only calculates the part of the image you can see when zoomed in and when zoomed out it only calculates at lower resolution.
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9. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 13, 2010 12:33 PM (in response to Jao vdL)No, Of course not. Right, I am talking about the fit to screen view in the develop window. It starts of fine then any adjustment makes the image jagged, and it stays that way until I zoom in and out. ( forcing it to re-render ) Then as soon as any slider is moved it goes all jagged again.
Lightroom 2 only stays jagged for a fraction of a second. Lightroom 3 stays jagged until I force it to re-render.
In short
1 Open image in Develop window, It looks fine
2 Make any adjustments ie Exposure, recovery etc and the image instantly turns jagged and remains that way.
3 Using mouse or space bar to change to 100% and back to fit on screen the image is now fine.( If you don't let it complete this fully it wont correct it.)
4 Attempt to make any adjustments and it goes again.
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10. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Milan_Smith Jun 13, 2010 1:01 PM (in response to dinkywhipboy1976)I haven't had that problem in any of the version of Lightroom. Move the slider and the images gets jagged, I mean. It look like a bug or slow machine issue. It shouldn't happen.
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11. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Kevin Bos Jun 13, 2010 1:20 PM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)There is no way this one is answered! I shoot sports and i havent seen rendering this awful at the largest thumbnail size. I ussually could read the bib numbers on people before and didnt have to go into full mag of the file very often but not it is fuzzy and takes way to long to generate even though i went ahead and optimized the files in the folder.
Not happy with this...
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12. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
BSC_PHOTO Jun 13, 2010 5:39 PM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)I too have had this exact problem not to mention others. But I'm also seeing a lag in rendering my adjustments. I have found I will over shoot an adjustment because I think it's rendered.
Just plain annoying.
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13. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Kevin Bos Jun 13, 2010 6:07 PM (in response to BSC_PHOTO)Yea, and not for lack of Power in my mac pro tower with 12 gig Ram! it annoys me too that for me to see sharpening taking hold i need to zoom in. Is this really 64 bit or is it just called that??
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14. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Milan_Smith Jun 13, 2010 10:18 PM (in response to Kevin Bos)My sympathies guys. I haven't had a single bug or problem to report yet. So I can't prove or disprove what you are saying. And the funny thing is that I haven't seen this problem on any of the versions of Lightroom. Since version 1. Done wedding, and large amount of images with lots of local adjustments on different computers and I have never seen any delay when making adjustment. The only time I have seen it was when version 2 first came out. On slower machines Adjustment brush was slow and had a delay, but never with slider type adjustments. So, logical assumption from my experience would be that the problem is not Lr itself, but something to do with OS.
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15. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Ian Lyons Jun 14, 2010 12:20 AM (in response to Kevin Bos)Kevin,
What is your screen size, your camera model and typical ISO of images that need to be zoomed before noise/sharpening take affect?
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16. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Jao vdL Jun 14, 2010 8:15 AM (in response to dinkywhipboy1976)Right, I am talking about the fit to screen view in the develop window. It starts of fine then any adjustment makes the image jagged, and it stays that way until I zoom in and out. ( forcing it to re-render ) Then as soon as any slider is moved it goes all jagged again.
That's not normal. I am using an older 2.66 GHz Core2Duo Mac Book Pro with 8 Gigs of memory and a stock harddrive that has full disk encryption on it (endpoint). I am right now driving a 30" Dell wide gamut display with it with Lightroom in full screen mode. Certainly this should not be a very fast machine, but I see no pixellation on ramping the sliders in the Develop module. It updates the image in Fit mode live whatever slider I use. Something is wrong on your machine. Please try emptying the camera Raw cache (in Preferences->File Handling) and make sure it is sufficiently large (I have mine on 10 gigs). Also try optimizing your catalog (in catalog settings)
P.S. One thing that Lightroom does appear to do is forget about the output sharpening (this has NOTHING to do with the capture sharpening in the Develop module) preview at Fit when you ramp sliders. It shows a preview equivalent to LR 2 without applied output sharpening. It will only apply this extra sharpening preview when zooming in and out. This doesn't make the image jagged, just slightly softer upon ramping sliders. It clearly does this for speed reasons, but perhaps Lightroom should have some heuristics to make it rerender the output sharpening preview after you have stopped playing with the sliders for a while. This is a new feature of Lightroom 3.
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17. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Victoria_Bampton Jun 14, 2010 8:34 AM (in response to Kevin Bos)Are these photos with existing settings, or are they new imports? Just try something for me - rather than zooming in and out again, flick to the next picture and back again instead. I'm wondering if you're seeing the same bug I reported a couple of weeks ago.
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18. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Milan_Smith Jun 14, 2010 9:21 AM (in response to Victoria_Bampton)What was the bug?
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19. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Melissa Gaul Jun 14, 2010 9:56 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Also, what is the screen size you're working at. Are you working at full screen, or in a window? Does the behavior change if you either make the window smaller or larger, or hide/show panels?
-melissa
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20. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Victoria_Bampton Jun 14, 2010 10:04 AM (in response to Milan_Smith)The Bug details were :
Product: Lightroom
Bug number: 2633178
Version: 3.0
Build:LR3R43
Bug Title: Develop sharpening preview gets stuck
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Apply major sharpening to raw photo - i.e. 150, 3.0, 100 - using PV2010.
2. Write that to xmp.
3. Create a new catalog, and import that photo amongst others, so that you're importing a photo with existing settings.
4. Switch to Develop module and view that photo.
Actual Result:
Sharpening isn't applied to Fit view until you move a slider or move to a different photo and back again. It is applied to the Detail preview.
Expected Result:
Expected the sharpening to be previewed once finished loading, but it doesn't happen without prompting.
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21. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
dinkywhipboy1976 Jun 14, 2010 10:37 AM (in response to Melissa Gaul)Melissa, Right I have just tried reducing the lightroom window size and I makes things much better.
Ok, so my Imac screen is 24in, If I bring in the bottom right hand corner in about 1in the problem vanishes.
If I Hide the side the side panels to make the image in fit to screen mode bigger the problem remains.
So it looks like the bug is related to screen size / Resolution Mine is 1920x1200.
lightroom 2 which I have use for ages has never been a problem.
I really hope this can be fixed soon as I bought the upgrade in good faith that it would be ok having been beta tested. I wish now I had gone for the 30 days trial.
Nathan.
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22. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 15, 2010 2:24 AM (in response to dinkywhipboy1976)wow this seems to have really blown up lol...
Nathan.. i noticed one other funny thing u might wanna try... its not an answer just helps show the problem.. affect ur image so its in is lowres jagged state then increase the noise reduction slider... after the NR is applied the image snaps back to high quality.. but if you decrease the NR it remains in its jagged state... weird.
i know there are plently of people trying to help but i feel they just dont get it fully... be patient.. Adobe will clock it eventually.
and let me just catagorically state NO MY Q HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED lol..
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23. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 15, 2010 2:32 AM (in response to Ian Lyons)Just thought id quickly reply as ur a pro..
All RAW images with a full range of ISO are affected... im shooting with a Canon 5dmkii.. and just to confirm specifically the NR and Sharpening are not the issue.. its all adjustments.. altho when i apply NR in develop module the image pops back to full qual but when i reduce it, it affects the image but it does not pop back to full res ie the curves are still jagged.
thanks... hope you can help.
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24. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Real Exposure Jun 15, 2010 7:16 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Yes I am experiencing this problem too and I'm on a Vista PC. It was working fine With LR3 Beta 2.
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25. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 15, 2010 9:02 AM (in response to Melissa Gaul)Melissa - I've been seeing this, too (at first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me).
I did some experimentation and it seems to be occuring when using "Fit". If I change to 1:4, it appears to be ok.
I've tried waiting "a while" and it doesn't fix it, but if I zoom into 100% the image detail comes back promptly, regardless of how long I waited in "Fit" - so it is not performance related.
I've seen it happen with adjustments in the Basic panel - for example, Clarity. I also have lens correction turned on (using profiles).
Running Windows XP with a 1920 x 1200 display.
Thanks,
Selby
Message was edited by: Selby Shanly to add screen size.
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26. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
M3Rocket Jun 15, 2010 10:52 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)I'm seeing the same problem.
There are many instances where LR3 seems much slower than LR2. This is especially noticeable on a 2.4GHz with 4Gb (3Gb addressable) on 32-bit OS laptop that I use. I suspect it has something to do with the RAM intensive nature of both LR3 and CS5. On the above config, the only way that it's tolerable for me to work in LR3 and CS5 is to shut down all other programs--including Firefox and/or IE. Otherwise, plug-ins in CS5 complain about insufficient memory, and some, like Nik will simply crash CS5.
[soapbox=on] Why is it that people who don't experience a similar problem jump to the conclusion that it isn't a bug? It seems to happen a lot in this forum. There are so many variables--if you're not experiencing it, great. Just report that. But just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. [soapbox=off]
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27. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 15, 2010 11:06 AM (in response to M3Rocket)Despite the title of this thread, it really isn't about slow rendering. The bug that the OP, myself and others are seeing is that the detail never renders, no matter how long you wait. It only renders if you zoom in to 100%.
Selby
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28. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Jao vdL Jun 15, 2010 11:17 AM (in response to Selby Shanly)I see it too. The image remains slightly fuzzy after changing any
slider only to become more clear after zooming in and out. You'll see
a sharpening-like step being applied maybe a second after you zoom
out. It should do the same thing after you release a slider (to save
some speed during the operation it makes sense to not do this extra
step while you're manipulating a slider) but it doesn't. Looks like a
bug to me. I don't experience the jaggedness that some people here
refer to though just an image that hasn't been sharpened at the screen
size so perhaps there is another issue too? The sharpening at screen
size in the Develop module is a new feature of LR3. In LR2 it would
simply always be slightly soft in Develop.
Maybe some screenshots would help. I'll whip some up to illustrate.
Perhaps the folks that see jaggies should do that too.
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29. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Jao vdL Jun 15, 2010 11:37 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)OK, here is a little graphic to illustrate. The labels make it self explanatory. You'll have top click on the graphic to see what is going on. This is a detail from screenshots from my 30" display with Lightroom in Full screen mode. I am using the develop mode and only touched the exposure slider, bringing it back very close to the original value (it went from +0.42 to +0.45, which is caused by the coarseness of the sliders). After that, you'll see that the display is a more fuzzy than the intial display. After zooming in and out to 100%, Lightroom rerenders the image more sharply and close to the original display right after going to Develop.
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30. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 15, 2010 12:04 PM (in response to Jao vdL)Jao - that's exactly what I'm seeing. Is this happening only when you're in Fit or in other ratios?
Selby
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31. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Jao vdL Jun 15, 2010 12:24 PM (in response to Selby Shanly)Selby,
this is strange indeed. It always happens when I am in Fit and in Fill
mode. In 1:4, 1:3, and 1:2, it also happens but not consistently.
Sometimes I see it getting updated with some sharpness and sometimes
it forgets.
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32. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
mei! Jun 15, 2010 1:19 PM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)I have exactly the same problem, windows 7 64 bit, 4gb ram, 1600x1200 monitor with lightroom 3 filling it.
It happens in th loupe mode too for me.
I expect it's happening for a lot of people and they don't realise it, as you need to look quite carefully to see it, but when you do it just looks like the photo is out of focus.
Didn't happen in LR2 on the same system. It's abug and needs to be fixed.
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33. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 15, 2010 7:10 PM (in response to Jao vdL)Jao - so I tried it again this evening. Now, using the same image, I can't get it to happen! In Fit or anywhere else. So there must be something else goig on here - perhaps the length of the Develop session, or the length of time LR has been up. (Tonight I booted the machine and started LR).
But there is definitely a problem - unfortunately it does not appear at the moment to be 100% reproducible. When it was happening, however, I had it 100% of the time in Fit.
Selby
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34. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 15, 2010 8:07 PM (in response to Jao vdL)So... after I posted the last reply, I started to work on another image and after 5 or 10 minutes, the problem had returned - make a small change to clarity and the picture gets "fuzzy" until you zoom to 100%. When you zoom back out to Fit, it's sharp again.
So, if at first you don't succeed in reproducing the problem, it appears that if you just keep working on something else, it will happen soon enough.
Selby
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35. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
FulvioE Jun 15, 2010 8:10 PM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)I am getting the same issues. LR 3 is running like a pig on my system. Nowhere near the speed of 2.7. Frustrating. I might actually swallow the loss and just re-install 2.7 .... something is defintely hogging the system resources with lr3 because 2.7 was night and day ... FASTER.
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36. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
pgmartphoto Jun 17, 2010 1:16 PM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Having just upgraded from LR 2.7, the speed of LR 2.7 adjustment brush, spot removal and general rendering is fresh in my mind.
LR3 is very slow in comparison, and appears to freeze on occaision when using the brush/spot tools.
To my mind, it is not a matter of slow machine (Vista x64, 6GB ram, quad 2.4GHz) or operating system issues.
LR 2.7 ran faster than this new LR3 on the same machine.
Not totally thrilled with my latest purchase.
- Peter
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37. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 20, 2010 7:24 AM (in response to Selby Shanly)Jun 15, 2010Re: LR3 Slow RenderingDespite the title of this thread, it really isn't about slow rendering. The bug that the OP, myself and others are seeing is that the detail never renders, no matter how long you wait. It only renders if you zoom in to 100%.
Selby
haha comon man thats a really anal answer.. i didnt even know how to describe what i was seeing at the time, when i apply NR and sharpening it does render (just to try and out do your answer ).. atleast people can finally agree its a problem, wow im a LR tester now.. i dont understand how others couldnt see it, what u editin on a 13" mac book lol?
im actually getting used to it now.. im sure once they fix the bug il miss it.
ADOBE.. SORT IT.... please.
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38. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Si Guy aka Rayeza Jun 20, 2010 2:55 AM (in response to pgmartphoto)yea my brush tool lags for about 3 seconds while im screwing my face up looking for the adjustment.. then oh ****, its renders the adj and ive done too much.
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39. Re: LR3 Slow Rendering
Selby Shanly Jun 20, 2010 7:23 AM (in response to Si Guy aka Rayeza)Your tone is entirely inappropriate.





