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    WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

    Because I said so.

      Adobe has photoshop elements for those who don't want photoshop.  What about pagemaker for those that don't want to drink the In Design cool aid?

       

      Am I really the only one complaining about the untimely death of pagemaker?  I am a dual user- I have PC's and Mac's in my house.

       

      I have gone through the transition of Wordstar to Ami Pro to Microsoft word.

       

      I have gone through the transition of Visi Calc (on an apple II) to Lotus 1-2-3 to Excell.

       

      I will be damned if I'm going to switch from Pagemaker to In Design.  I've been using pagemaker since 1990.  MY GOD THAT'S 20 YEARS!!!!  Longer than some of you have been alive.  I have a right to claim upgrade fatigue god damn it!!!!!!!!!

       

      I can run pagemaker on a pc.  And that's where I go everytime I want to use it.  But my main computer is this mac I'm typing on right now.

       

      I WANT TO RUN PAGEMAKER ON A MAC!!!!!!   I WANT TO RUN PAGEMAKER ON A MAC!!!!!!   I WANT TO RUN PAGEMAKER ON A MAC!!!!!!

       

       

      Is that too much to ask?

       

      AM I A MONSTER FOR WANTING SOMETHING SO SIMPLE?

       

      It's a great program, it's a fantastic program.  Adobe, why do you want to kill it.  What did it ever do to you but bring you money.  Is that such a crime?

        • 1. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
          BigJohnD Community Member

          'WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

           

          Answer: Never.

          PM has been put out to grass.  If you want to keep using PM, then find a Mac that will run it.

           

          Maybe Adobe should have called InDesign PM8 instead, and then you would moved on straightaway.

           

          > > I can run pagemaker on a pc.

           

          Then it's either an old PC or you've worked hard to get it to install and run properly on Win7.  Either way, it's a dead duck on Windows too.

           

          > >  I've been using pagemaker since 1990.

           

          Excellent.  Then you'll realise it's now archaic and you have had a great time without investing anyinthg more in Adobe.

           

          I recommend you use your PM Licence to get a discounted copy of InDesign while you can.

           

           

          Iechyd da! John
          20:35 23/02/2010 GMT

          • 2. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
            BobLevine UGM

            Untimely? It was long overdue and I'm surprised Adobe is still selling that old relic.

             

            The code quite simply was unintelligible. Just consider InDesign Pagemaker 8 and move on.

             

            Bob

            • 3. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
              Because I said so. Community Member

              Judging by your response, I'm guessing that you didn't read what I wrote- Nonetheless, did it ever occur to you that most people don't care if the code is unintelligible to you?  Hah!  It makes me smile that you might think this has anything to do with anything.And as I said in my post- I WILL NEVER MOVE ON TO INDESIGN.  It's the principle of the thing.

               

               

               

               

              This email is from me.

               

              You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

              Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:23:44 -0700

              From: forums@adobe.com

              To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

              Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

               

              Untimely? It was long overdue and I'm surprised Adobe is still selling that old relic.

               

              The code quite simply was unintelligible. Just consider InDesign Pagemaker 8 and move on.

               

              Bob

              >

              • 4. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                Because I said so. Community Member

                runs on xp slick as a whistle.And this may shock you, but xp far outnumbers windows 7.I'm not going to upgrade to indesign.  not now, not ever.  it's not the money, hell i'd upgrade to pagemaker 8 in a heartbeat (oh, good call on the name change- you're right, it would have sucked me right in) it's the principle of the thing.

                 

                 

                 

                 

                This email is from me.

                 

                You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:35:49 -0700

                From: forums@adobe.com

                To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                 

                'WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                 

                Answer: Never.

                PM has been put out to grass.  If you want to keep using PM, then find a Mac that will run it.

                 

                Maybe Adobe should have called InDesign PM8 instead, and then you would moved on straightaway.

                 

                I can run pagemaker on a pc.

                 

                Then it's either an old PC or you've worked hard to get it to install and run properly Win7.  Either way, it's a dead duck on Windows too.

                 

                I recommend you use your PM Licence to get a discounted copy of InDesign while you can.

                 

                 

                Iechyd da! John

                20:35 23/02/2010 GMT

                >

                • 5. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                  BobLevine UGM

                  A little history lesson is obviously in order here.

                   

                  The code was unintelligible to the very people who wrote it. That's how bad it was.

                   

                  You may think Adobe bought Aldus to get Pagemaker but they didn't. Aldus had already determined that PM was nearing EOL and was working on a new page layout application. That's what Adobe wanted. That's what Adobe bought. That application would go on to be released and it was called InDesigne.

                   

                  What principle you're talking about is a mystery to me but I can tell you this. I don't give a rat's behind what you do. You can stick with PM and its lousy color management, its lack of unicode support, its lack of transparency support, its poor support for PDF import and export, and well, I could go on and on.

                   

                  You may never move to ID, but nobody cares. You will NEVER see an upgrade to PM.

                   

                  Bob

                  • 6. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                    Claudio González MVP

                    If you are feeling like a lonely ranger, you may take a look at the hundreds of similar requests for newer versions of PageMaker that have been posted in this forum over the years. And while you are at it, you may also demand for upgrades for Visicalc and Wordstar. Although not here, of course.

                     

                    Wishing you luck would be a joke.

                    • 7. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                      Because I said so. Community Member

                      It is one of the problems we humans are going to have to face- in this early stage of computing.  Unlike machines, we eventually fatigue from re-learning and re- learning computer programs.  (for me- it's been 37 years of using computers, and 26 years of owning computers.)

                       

                       

                       

                      Trust me- every human will reach this stage sooner or later.

                       

                       

                       

                      But the corporations never tire.  The profit machine must be fed or die.

                       

                       

                       

                      So there it is. 

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      This email is from me. You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                       

                       

                       

                      Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:55:30 -0700

                      From: forums@adobe.com

                      To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                      Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                       

                      If you are feeling like a lonely ranger, you may take a look at the hundreds of similar requests for newer versions of PageMaker that have been posted in this forum over the years. And while you are at it, you may also demand for upgrades for Visicalc and Wordstar. Although not here, of course.

                       

                      Wishing you luck would be a joke.

                      >

                      • 8. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                        Because I said so. Community Member

                        One of my points- which may have gotten lost somewhere, is that Adobe could use PageMaker the same way that they use PhotoShop Elements.  Not everyone needs all of the features of InDesign.  I quite often use Notepad even though I have microsoft word on both my macs and my Pc's.

                         

                         

                         

                        As to your claims about pagemaker's code, I find them highly subjective.

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                        Upgrade fatigue is one of the problems we humans are going to have to face- in this early stage of computing.  Unlike machines, we eventually fatigue from re-learning and re- learning computer programs.  (for me- it's been 37 years of using computers, and 26 years of owning computers.)

                         

                         

                         

                        Trust me- every human will reach this stage sooner or later.

                         

                         

                         

                        But the corporations never tire.  The profit machine must be fed or die.

                         

                         

                         

                        So there it is. 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                        This email is from me. You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                         

                         

                         

                        Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:01:52 -0700

                        From: forums@adobe.com

                        To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                        Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                         

                        A little history lesson is obviously in order here.

                         

                        The code was unintelligible to the very people who wrote it. That's how bad it was.

                         

                        You may think Adobe bought Aldus to get Pagemaker but they didn't. Aldus had already determined that PM was nearing EOL and was working on a new page layout application. That's what Adobe wanted. That's what Adobe bought. That application would go on to be released and it was called InDesigne.

                         

                        What principle you're talking about is a mystery to me but I can tell you this. I don't give a rat's behind what you do. You can stick with PM and its lousy color management, its lack of unicode support, its lack of transparency support, its poor support for PDF import and export, and well, I could go on and on.

                         

                        You may never move to ID, but nobody cares. You will NEVER see an upgrade to PM.

                         

                        Bob

                        >

                        • 9. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                          BobLevine UGM

                          Check your history. It's been well documented how InDesign came about.

                           

                          As for your comparison of Photoshop Elements to a light pagelayout app, that's just laughable. Everyone and his brother has a digital camera. Not everyone's doing brochures and for someone that needs low end there are plenty of cheap alternatives.

                           

                          Pagemaker is dead. Get over it.

                          • 10. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                            Claudio González MVP

                            The fact that you said so does not add any weight to any of your assertions. Repeating them in successive posts doesn't either.


                            I have read in this same forum dozens of much more touching, appealing, and even understandable arguments for asking for a watered down version of InDesign, or a Win 7 - Mac OS X compatible version of PageMaker. Such arguments have not only failed to convince Adobe of the need for either. They have also failed to convince any of the goodwilled users of InDesign who stopped using PageMaker about a decade ago but still come to this forum to help people still using PageMaker.


                            I would like you to post here some objective claims about the feasibility of updating such ancient code as PageMaker's. When you try finding some, you may begin understanding that getting a version of PageMaker that can run in the most recent OSs is equally unlikely than getting updated versions of Visicalc and Wordstar.


                            Perhaps I should have saved myself writing all the above by just saying "you are wasting your time". As so very many others have done before you.

                            • 11. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                              Jay Chevako Community Member

                              I see this forum hasn't changed a bit, one or two real questions and the rest futile complaining.

                              Jay

                              • 12. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                BigJohnD Community Member

                                Hello, Jay,

                                 

                                Yes, it doesn't change much, though there's not much traffic.

                                 

                                Iechyd da! John
                                22:49 09/03/2010 GMT

                                • 13. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                  Because I said so. Community Member

                                  Sigh.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  I'm a lost cause.  I know it.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  I also know that I use microsoft word and excell, two programs spread across two platforms, many os's, and at least as old as pagemaker.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  go figure.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  This email is from me. You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:23:32 -0700

                                  From: forums@adobe.com

                                  To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                  Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                   

                                  The fact that you said so does not add any weight to any of your assertions. Repeating them in successive posts doesn't either.

                                   

                                   

                                  I have read in this same forum dozens of much more touching, appealing, and even understandable arguments for asking for a watered down version of InDesign, or a Win 7 - Mac OS X compatible version of PageMaker. Such arguments have not only failed to convince Adobe of the need for either. They have also failed to convince any of the goodwilled users of InDesign who stopped using PageMaker about a decade ago but still come to this forum to help people still using PageMaker.

                                   

                                   

                                  I would like you to post here some objective claims about the feasibility of updating such ancient code as PageMaker's. When you try finding some, you may begin understanding that getting a version of PageMaker that can run in the most recent OSs is equally unlikely than getting updated versions of Visicalc and Wordstar.

                                   

                                   

                                  Perhaps I should have saved myself writing all the above by just saying "you are wasting your time". As so very many others have done before you.

                                  >

                                  • 14. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                    Because I said so. Community Member

                                    "Pagemaker is dead. Get over it."

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Well, to quote shakespeare- "The King is dead.  Long live the King."

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    And PS:Last time I checked my history it went like this-

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Adobe buys pagemaker from Aldus.

                                     

                                    Adobe releases a moderate pagemaker update. (Probably already written by aldus)

                                     

                                    Adobe kills pagemaker.

                                     

                                    Adobe releases InDesign.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    I'm not claiming anything different than that.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    This email is from me. You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:31:57 -0700

                                    From: forums@adobe.com

                                    To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                    Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                     

                                    Check your history. It's been well documented how InDesign came about.

                                     

                                    As for your comparison of Photoshop Elements to a light pagelayout app, that's just laughable. Everyone and his brother has a digital camera. Not everyone's doing brochures and for someone that needs low end there are plenty of cheap alternatives.

                                     

                                    Pagemaker is dead. Get over it.

                                    >

                                    • 15. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                      BobLevine UGM

                                      http://www.indesign10anniversary.com/

                                       

                                      Download the commemorative book and turn to page 11.

                                       

                                      Bob

                                      • 17. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                        Ian C. Matthew Community Member

                                        Bacause I said so, you may find Bob and Big John's responses to you post a somewhat harsh. I'd call them suscinct and to the point. Nevertheless, they are quite correct. PM is dead. PM will NOT be fixed, upgraded or updated to run on Win Vista, Win 7 or the latest version of Mac OS X. So from that point of view, you HAVE to get over it! Unless of course you continue to run Win 2000 or XP.

                                         

                                        Of course, there is always more than one way to skin a cat. One option is to use Win 7's XP mode. I do not have time to go into haow XP Mode works. Suffice to say that you need Win 7 Pro or Ultimate and an Intel or AMD cpu that supports virtualisation. How good is it? Well, I use an acient DOS program. on Win XP mode and it runs perfectly well. In this case I have no choice other than to use a true copy Win XP (which has nver been installed on this PC). XP mode is a perfectly viable alternative to this.

                                         

                                        That said, I would NOT run a complex app such as PM on Win XP mode. Not that it would not work, but more from the point of view that XP Mode should be seen as a temporary fix or where an old program has to be used which will NOT gain any upgrades or updates and where NO OTHER alternative program exists, such as my old DOS program.

                                         

                                        With PM, there is an upgrade called InDesign. Yes, you may not like this situation, and neither did I a few years ago. However, the writing was on the wall for PM as soon as InDesign was announced in 1999 and launched in 2000. PM was then 'downshifted' into becoming a business publishing platform to compete more with the likes of MS Publisher, hence the more business orientated marketing. As time went on it became clear that the future of Adobe's publishing focus was InDesign, even though I was assured at an Adobe seminar years ago that PM would continue with more InDesign features!

                                         

                                        Remember, InDesign was not only a response to the technical challenges og making PM comlient with thae latest Win and Mac OS's, it was also a response to QuarkXpress which had left PM far behind by 1992.

                                         

                                        Adobe is not the only answer of course. No one is forcing you to use InDesign. If I were you, I'd strongly consider PagePlus. It runs on Win Vista and 7 and no doubt packs a lot more up to date featutes than PM 7 does right now. It is also updated, upgraded AND supported! Or if you're happy to use what is essentially a drawing program with some DTP options, give CorelDraw a look.

                                         

                                        Ian

                                        • 18. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                          Carole Caruso Community Member

                                          Without going into the whys of it, I am writing a book that has taken years and will take many more years. In this time, we have gone from W98 to XP to W7. I am not a professional, am not working for a company that will spring for Indesign or whatever will come after, so am paying for everything out of my own pocket. It took me probably a year to learn how to use Pagemaker. I don't have that many years left that I can afford to take time away from writing to learn a new program every time someone gets a notion to come out with a new one and make the old obsolete. Nor am I going to bankrupt myself paying for whatever comes after Pagemaker and the operating system it will work on.

                                           

                                          My workaround is to take very good care of my computer with W98SE and Pagemaker 6.5 on it. And hope that rtf  files remains universal.

                                           

                                          Does anyone see a better way for me? If so, I am all ears.

                                           

                                          My main point here is that please quit shouting at us that we should, must, upgrade. This is not an option for some of us. And quit shouting at us  that Pagemaker must be upgraded. We have no control over this,and it ain't going to happen.

                                           

                                          One last comment. When I was struggling to learn Pagemaker, this forum helped me through the worst problems. It was then and is now comforting to know there are people out there I can turn to when I need help.

                                           

                                          Carole

                                          • 19. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                            BobLevine UGM

                                            Hi Carole,

                                             

                                            I'm afraid you're missing the message here. The "shouting" is at people who think Adobe has some kind obligation to keep updating PM.

                                             

                                            We're not telling you that you must upgrade. We're telling you that if you want to keep using PM then you must keep your old operating system and computer.

                                             

                                            Bottom line is that you can't upgrade to new computers and operating systems in a vacuum. Since you're keeping that old dinosaur with Win 98 on it, I assume you understand that.

                                             

                                            If you go back to my previous post, you'll see a link and some notes on a great history book on InDesign. Please download it and read it. It's an excellent read for anyone even remotely interested in the history of DTP.

                                             

                                            Bob

                                            • 20. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                              Ian C. Matthew Community Member

                                              Don't get me wrong. If you wish to continue to use PM, then by all means do so. I for one will not badger you into moving to InDesign. Just be aware that technology marches on. Take Windows. You say you use Win 98. Fine. Not only has support for Win 98 ended (you probably know this of course) long ago, it is more vulnerable to on-line threats.

                                               

                                              Even Win XP is on borrowed time. Yep, it's supported by MS for another 4 years. However, the newest hard drives from 2011 will not support the 'obsolete' file systems supported by Win XP and older. Win Vista and above as well as the latest OS X and Linux post 2009 will be supported.

                                               

                                              See:

                                              http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18032/1/

                                               

                                              So a change in hardware may well force you into an OS upgrade which in turn forces you to move from PM to InDesign (or something else). Of course, old Win XP compatible hard drives will still be available in 2011. However, what if your current hard drive dies? In fact if, but when. All hard drives wear out at some point, and the fact that you use Win 98 suggests that you've had yours quite a while. Your current hard drive is amost certainly IDE. 90% or more of new hard drives now are SATA!  IDE drives are available, but only just!

                                               

                                              I don't think you need bankrupt yourself, hence my prior suggstion of something like PagePlus. However, if PM is working for you, by all means continue to use it. Just take note that events may sideline you into an upgrade at some point. Better to take charge sooner rather than later.

                                               

                                              Ian

                                              • 21. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                Ian C. Matthew Community Member

                                                Bob,

                                                 

                                                Thanks for that link. I must have missed it for some reason. Will read it later whaen i have more time. I have a book on Adobe by the same author I believe!

                                                 

                                                Ian

                                                • 22. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                  Because I said so. Community Member

                                                  Thanks for the response.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  I just might try out page plus- when I absolutely have to.  I might not upgrade to Win 7 if it won't support pagemaker.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  I love pagemaker!  It is completely part of me.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  PS:I'm going to have to change that message that automatically appears at the bottom of all my emails.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  This email is from me. You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:09:36 -0700

                                                  From: forums@adobe.com

                                                  To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                  Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                   

                                                  Bacause I said so, you may find Bob and Big John's responses to you post a somewhat harsh. I'd call them suscinct and to the point. Nevertheless, they are quite correct. PM is dead. PM will NOT be fixed, upgraded or updated to run on Win Vista, Win 7 or the latest version of Mac OS X. So from that point of view, you HAVE to get over it! Unless of course you continue to run Win 2000 or XP.

                                                   

                                                  Of course, there is always more than one way to skin a cat. One option is to use Win 7's XP mode. I do not have time to go into haow XP Mode works. Suffice to say that you need Win 7 Pro or Ultimate and an Intel or AMD cpu that supports virtualisation. How good is it? Well, I use an acient DOS program. on Win XP mode and it runs perfectly well. In this case I have no choice other than to use a true copy Win XP (which has nver been installed on this PC). XP mode is a perfectly viable alternative to this.

                                                   

                                                  That said, I would NOT run a complex app such as PM on Win XP mode. Not that it would not work, but more from the point of view that XP Mode should be seen as a temporary fix or where an old program has to be used which will NOT gain any upgrades or updates and where NO OTHER alternative program exists, such as my old DOS program.

                                                   

                                                  With PM, there is an upgrade called InDesign. Yes, you may not like this situation, and neither did I a few years ago. However, the writing was on the wall for PM as soon as InDesign was announced in 1999 and launched in 2000. PM was then 'downshifted' into becoming a business publishing platform to compete more with the likes of MS Publisher, hence the more business orientated marketing. As time went on it became clear that the future of Adobe's publishing focus was InDesign, even though I was assured at an Adobe seminar years ago that PM would continue with more InDesign features!

                                                   

                                                  Remember, InDesign was not only a response to the technical challenges og making PM comlient with thae latest Win and Mac OS's, it was also a response to QuarkXpress which had left PM far behind by 1992.

                                                   

                                                  Adobe is not the only answer of course. No one is forcing you to use InDesign. If I were you, I'd strongly consider PagePlus. It runs on Win Vista and 7 and no doubt packs a lot more up to date featutes than PM 7 does right now. It is also updated, upgraded AND supported! Or if you're happy to use what is essentially a drawing program with some DTP options, give CorelDraw a look.

                                                   

                                                  Ian

                                                  >

                                                  • 23. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                    Because I said so. Community Member

                                                    I must have miscommunicated.  I do use windows XP, and have since it was released.  I don't disagree with most of what you say.  Maybe I wasn't completely clear but many programs, as old and older than Pagemaker have been upgraded and/or still work on the new platforms of XP and vista and even Windows 7.  Anyone ever heard of a little thing called Excell?My main complaint is- I like pagemaker, and I don't want to learn a new desk top publishing program.  As I pointed out, I HAVE upgraded and changed many programs over the years.  But at some point everyone (yes even the many readers of this thread) is going to reach their own personal point of being done with upgrading.  You may not believe me, but it's true.By the way, I appreciate every response, even those that told me I'm crazy, because I know that at some level I AM crazy.  You guys are all going to reach that level of crazy too- some day.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    This email is from me.

                                                     

                                                    You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:15:38 -0700

                                                    From: forums@adobe.com

                                                    To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                    Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                     

                                                    Don't get me wrong. If you wish to continue to use PM, then by all means do so. I for one will not badger you into moving to InDesign. Just be aware that technology marches on. Take Windows. You say you use Win 98. Fine. Not only has support for Win 98 ended (you probably know this of course) long ago, it is more vulnerable to on-line threats.

                                                     

                                                    Even Win XP is on borrowed time. Yep, it's supported by MS for another 4 years. However, the newest hard drives from 2011 will not support the 'obsolete' file systems supported by Win XP and older. Win Vista and above as well as the latest OS X and Linux post 2009 will be supported.

                                                     

                                                    See:

                                                    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18032/1/

                                                     

                                                    So a change in hardware may well force you into an OS upgrade which in turn forces you to move from PM to InDesign (or something else). Of course, old Win XP hard drives will still be available in 2011. However, what if your current hard drive dies? In fact if, but when. All hard drives wear out at some point, and the fact that you use Win 98 suggests that you've had yours quite a while. Your current hard drive is amost certainly IDE. 90% or more of new hard drives now are SATA!  IDE drives are available, but only just!

                                                     

                                                    I don't think you need bankrupt yourself, hence my prior suggstion of something like PagePlus. However, if PM is working for you, by all means continue to use it. Just take note that events may sideline you into an upgrade at some point. Better to take charge sooner rather than later.

                                                     

                                                    Ian

                                                    >

                                                    • 24. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                      BobLevine UGM

                                                      Crazy? No!

                                                       

                                                      Stubborn, YES!

                                                       

                                                      Bob

                                                      • 25. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                        Carole Caruso Community Member

                                                        "But at some point everyone (yes even the many readers of this thread) is going to reach their own personal point of being done with upgrading.  You may not believe me, but it's true.By the way, I appreciate every response, even those that told me I'm crazy, because I know that at some level I AM crazy.  You guys are all going to reach that level of crazy too- some day."

                                                         

                                                        AMEN to that!  At the age of 78 years, I don't want to learn any more programs. I just want to be left alone to use and enjoy those I need and know how to use. And PM65 happens to be one of those programs.

                                                         

                                                        Carole

                                                        • 26. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                          Claudio González MVP

                                                          Carole Caruso wrote:

                                                           

                                                          "But at some point everyone (yes even the many readers of this thread) is going to reach their own personal point of being done with upgrading.  You may not believe me, but it's true.By the way, I appreciate every response, even those that told me I'm crazy, because I know that at some level I AM crazy.  You guys are all going to reach that level of crazy too- some day."

                                                           

                                                          AMEN to that!  At the age of 78 years, I don't want to learn any more programs. I just want to be left alone to use and enjoy those I need and know how to use. And PM65 happens to be one of those programs.

                                                           

                                                          Carole

                                                           

                                                          I think nobody around here would criticize you for feeling that way. By all means, do keep an old computer that can run smoothly all the programs you love, and continue enjoying them. What we do criticize is people who feel entitled to have new versions of programs that have been dead for years and years, and use them under operating systems that were created more that a decade after their deaths. Just because they say so, ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of messages that have been posted in many very long threads in which the matter has been been discussed with much better arguments and with the same result: none at all.


                                                          Incidentally, at my own 75 years, I still try to keep as much up to date as I can. And I haven't opened a single PageMaker file in many years. At least, not using PageMaker, although I have worked on many ancient PM files using InDesign. I still think PageMaker was a superb program for its epoch, but it is a program that has been greatly exceeded by others. And although I fully sympathize with those who don't feel the need for anything better, please don't expect everyone to keep living in the past.

                                                          • 27. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                            Because I said so. Community Member

                                                            Thanks for the response!I don't feel like I live in the past.  I mean, I like the shins, modest mouse, and band of bees!  That counts for something doesn't it?It's just my present also includes things from the past- like books and sometimes (not always) a VCR!  My stereo system is an apple computer tied into the amplifier and wired around the house etc.I mean, I can take the new if it's better, or if I see a reason to abandon the old.Cheers!

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            This email is from me.

                                                             

                                                            You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:20:08 -0600

                                                            From: forums@adobe.com

                                                            To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                            Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                             

                                                            • 28. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                              Because I said so. Community Member

                                                              Yes!!!!

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              This email is from me.

                                                               

                                                              You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:56:35 -0600

                                                              From: forums@adobe.com

                                                              To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                              Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                               

                                                              "But at some point everyone (yes even the many readers of this thread) is going to reach their own personal point of being done with upgrading.  You may not believe me, but it's true.By the way, I appreciate every response, even those that told me I'm crazy, because I know that at some level I AM crazy.  You guys are all going to reach that level of crazy too- some day."

                                                               

                                                              AMEN to that!  At the age of 78 years, I don't want to learn any more programs. I just want to be left alone to use and enjoy those I need and know how to use. And PM65 happens to be one of those programs.

                                                               

                                                              Carole

                                                              >

                                                              • 29. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                Because I said so. Community Member

                                                                Hah!Thanks!

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                This email is from me.

                                                                 

                                                                You know it's true because it says so right here, at the bottom of this email.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:29:01 -0600

                                                                From: forums@adobe.com

                                                                To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                                Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                                 

                                                                Crazy? No!

                                                                 

                                                                Stubborn, YES!

                                                                 

                                                                Bob

                                                                >

                                                                • 30. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                  Claudio González MVP
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                                                                  Because I said so. wrote:


                                                                  ...

                                                                  .I mean, I can take the new if it's better, or if I see a reason to abandon the old.Cheers!

                                                                  ...

                                                                  InDesign is much better than PageMaker. PageMaker was discontinued because nobody cared to keep the code up to date, as MS has obviously done with the Office suite, and therefore it became nearly impossible to update/upgrade it. InDesign was the natural continuation of PageMaker, but completely rewritten in modern code. Aren't those good enough reasons to abandon the old?. Just "because I said so" isn't a very good reason for anything -in my opinion at least.

                                                                   

                                                                  And could you please try to do something about the stupid message at the bottom of every new post of yours?

                                                                  • 31. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                    InSanelyMe

                                                                    SIR DO I EVER AGREE WITH YOU!! I've been a loyal PageMaker user since way back in the Aldus days.(PM2) I loved the ease of use PageMaker offered, yet it did quite a bit in graphic design. I've done simple newsletters to really nice, expensive four color brochures with PageMaker. Tried Quark (I call it QuirkXpress) and several other page layout programs... didn't care much for any of them. PageMaker was always the program I'd end up going to.

                                                                     

                                                                    I have a ton of software written for the Motorola processor, IE: PageMaker, PhotoShop, Illustrator, etc, etc. I'll be damned if I'm going to go through the expense and huge learning curve just to use the new Intel-Mac. Everyone told me to go to InDesign, which I did, but hated using it. It was big and powerful true, but much too complicated. So I bought the upgrade thinking maybe the newer version would be more PageMaker-like... ha screwed again.


                                                                    I bought a new Intel-based iMac and was shocked that it wouldn't run 95% of my applications since the advent of OS 10.5. (a small detail the salesperson neglected to tell me.) After I dropped a couple of grand on the iMac I ended up having to buy an old PowerMac Quad 2.5GHz (the last and fastest machine before Intel entered the Mac picture.) Now I do my graphics work on the PowerMac, slower than I'd like but usable. The iMac was used for e-mail and web surfing... too nice a machine for that kind of duty, so I sold it. Now I'm using the slower Mac relic for everything.


                                                                    Supposedly there is emulation software out there allowing older programs to run on the Intel-based Macs. SheepShaver is one, free but I couldn't figure it out. I just got a program called Chubby Bunny (who names these things anyway?) Both available by Googling their respective names.

                                                                     

                                                                    One last thought. The main reason I will not use InDesign is that with PageMaker I can copy text off the Internet and paste it directly into my page layout. Something I do a LOT. That avoids having to re-key everything. This small feat of copying and pasting text from a web page is something InDesign couldn't do. It comes out as an uneditable block of crap! Adobe, fix that and maybe, just maybe I'll embrace InDesign once again.


                                                                    Thank you for allowing me to rant.

                                                                    • 32. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                      BobLevine UGM

                                                                      You might just want to try paste without formatting in ID along with setting your clipboard preference to Text Only when pasting text and tables from Other Applications.

                                                                       

                                                                      Bob

                                                                      • 33. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                        InSanelyMe Community Member

                                                                        Hi Bob,

                                                                         

                                                                        Thanks for the e-mail regarding ID.  Which version of InDesign are 

                                                                        you speaking of?  I have 2.0 which runs on my PPC Mac and 3.0 (CS) 

                                                                        that runs on Intel (iMac) which I no longer have.

                                                                         

                                                                        At my wife's suggestion I downloaded the newest version, which of 

                                                                        course will not even think of installing on my old PowerMac. So I 

                                                                        guess I'm rather stuck. Funny thing is some web sites I can copy and 

                                                                        paste into ID 2.0 without problems, but the one I have the difficulty 

                                                                        with is one I must use fairly often.

                                                                         

                                                                        Do you know of any emulators that will allow me to run PageMaker on 

                                                                        an Intel Mac?

                                                                         

                                                                        Once again, thanks for the input.

                                                                         

                                                                        Regards,

                                                                        Chuck Bay

                                                                        • 34. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                          BobLevine UGM

                                                                          I wish I could help, but I can't. I don't even remember CS. I have CS3-CS5 installed in Win 7-64 and Snow Leopard.

                                                                           

                                                                          Bob

                                                                          • 35. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                            Because I said so. Community Member

                                                                            Yes!  Thank you!

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            I've pretty much taken to using pagemaker on my pc.  Converting whatever page I need to a pdf and emailing it to (myself) my mac.  This has really extended the life of pagemaker for me.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Lately I've been (just for recreation) re-creating the blue print of the house I live in- all on pagemaker.  I have a cad program, but for what I'm doing it's easier to use pagemaker.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Everyone- bow down to pagemaker!

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:16:13 -0600

                                                                            From: forums@adobe.com

                                                                            To: mannthey2@hotmail.com

                                                                            Subject: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?

                                                                             

                                                                            SIR DO I EVER AGREE WITH YOU!! I've been a loyal PageMaker user since way back in the Aldus days.(PM2) I loved the ease of use PageMaker offered, yet it did quite a bit in graphic design. I've done simple newsletters to really nice, expensive four color brochures with PageMaker. Tried Quark (I call it QuirkXpress) and several other page layout programs... didn't care much for any of them. PageMaker was always the program I'd end up going to.

                                                                             

                                                                            I have a ton of software written for the Motorola processor, IE: PageMaker, PhotoShop, Illustrator, etc, etc. I'll be damned if I'm going to go through the expense and huge learning curve just to use the new Intel-Mac. Everyone told me to go to InDesign, which I did, but hated using it. It was big and powerful true, but much too complicated. So I bought the upgrade thinking maybe the newer version would be more PageMaker-like... ha screwed again.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            I bought a new Intel-based iMac and was shocked that it wouldn't run 95% of my applications since the advent of OS 10.5. (a small detail the salesperson neglected to tell me.) After I dropped a couple of grand on the iMac I ended up having to buy an old PowerMac Quad 2.5GHz (the last and fastest machine before Intel entered the Mac picture.) Now I do my graphics work on the PowerMac, slower than I'd like but usable. The iMac was used for e-mail and web surfing... too nice a machine for that kind of duty, so I sold it. Now I'm using the slower Mac relic for everything.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Supposedly there is emulation software out there allowing older programs to run on the Intel-based Macs. SheepShaver is one, free but I couldn't figure it out. I just got a program called Chubby Bunny (who names these things anyway?) Both available by Googling their respective names.

                                                                             

                                                                            One last thought. The main reason I will not use InDesign is that with PageMaker I can copy text off the Internet and paste it directly into my page layout. Something I do a LOT. That avoids having to re-key everything. This small feat of copying and pasting text from a web page is something InDesign couldn't do. It comes out as an uneditable block of crap! Adobe, fix that and maybe, just maybe I'll embrace InDesign once again.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Thank you for allowing me to rant.

                                                                            >

                                                                            • 36. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                              InSanelyMe Community Member

                                                                              Sorry for the looooong rant about PageMaker/Adobe, but your post hit 

                                                                              a nerve. A raw nerve ever since Adobe abandoned PageMaker. I don't 

                                                                              use a PC for graphics, just online games etc. Besides, I'd have to 

                                                                              buy yet another software package! No thanks Adobe.

                                                                               

                                                                              Good luck with the house plans. You'd be surprised (maybe not) all 

                                                                              the stuff I've done in PageMaker 6 & 6.5.  Thanks for the return e-mail.

                                                                               

                                                                              Chuck

                                                                              • 37. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                                BobLevine UGM

                                                                                The abandoment was explained over and over again. And once more I'll ask...if Adobe had named InDesign Pagemaker 8 would you still be here complaining?

                                                                                 

                                                                                Bob

                                                                                • 38. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                                  InSanelyMe Community Member

                                                                                  Bob,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Thanks for the response. Yes, I would still complain because InDesign 

                                                                                  doesn't do some of the things PageMaker 6 & 6.5 did. Don't get me 

                                                                                  wrong I'm sure InDesign is a great program; very powerful, slick and 

                                                                                  full of features... I just wish Adobe would have kept some of the 

                                                                                  basic things from PageMaker. I understand progress, and innovation... 

                                                                                  even technology changes. Lord knows I've been through enough of them 

                                                                                  in the 25+ years I've been involved with graphics.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I don't know about subsequent versions of InDesign, but 2.0 and 3.0 

                                                                                  (CS) could not easily copy and paste text from web pages... a pretty 

                                                                                  basic function, something PageMaker does with ease.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Thanks again,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Chuck

                                                                                  • 39. Re: WHEN IS ADOBE BRINGING OUT THE NEW PAGEMAKER FOR MAC?
                                                                                    ReneGnam Community Member

                                                                                    I'm with you, Chuck...and I've voiced my opinions on the virtues of PM6.5 and 7.0 many times on this forum. But I'm not a major corporation using thousands of copies of the software so my voice doesn't  count.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Let's all remember that converting a single page publication from PM to ID is relatively easy. Converting hundreds or thousands of them, or many multi-page publications is a royal pain. Just try large catalogs.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    But, Chuck, you left out my favorite PM feature...NO frames! To insert a photo, just Cntrl-D, click, enter! Bingo, you've got it. Want to alter the size? Grab a corner, shift and go. Easy. Never needing frames or predetermining the size of a photo when you have hundreds to deal with in a catalog is a major, major time saver.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    BRING BACK PAGEMAKER!

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