21 Replies Latest reply: Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM by Larry Applegate RSS

    Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file

    h2ofun Community Member

      I have made a BR project with encore cs5.  When I do the preview, the chapter playlists preview perfect.  They play the chapters I put in, and then goes back to the main menu which is the end action.

       

      But, after I burn the project to image iso file and play, when I hit the buttons, all of them just do the end action and go right back to my main menu.They do not play the chapters like it did correctly in the encore preview.

       

      I am now trying to output a DVD to see what it does.

       

      Any ideas?

       

      Weird

       

      Thanks

       

      Dave

        • 1. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
          Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

          Back in CS4, there were severe issues with Chapter Playlists in BD. Some said that it was a limitation of the BD-specs., but most felt that it was Adobe's implementation of Chapter Playlists being incompatible with BD. If it was a pure Adobe problem, I would have thought that they would have addressed it in CS5, but maybe not. You might want to do a Search of this forum for "Chapter Playlists," and "BD," and read some of the threads. Might be something useful in those.

           

          I would restructure and use Playlists instead.

           

          For me, that is easy, since I edit my "chapters/scenes" to a separate Sequence in PrPro, and then Import the Video as a Timeline for each. I seldom use Chapter Playlists (in DVD) ever.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
            Alan Craven Community Member

            I was assured by Adobe support when I hit the problem earlier this year, that chapter playlists do not work on burned Blu-ray disks with CS4, that this would be put right in CS5.  I believe it has not been put right.

             

            The irritating thing is that they work fine in the Encore preview.

             

            This is a nuisance to me as my standard disc has one timeline with a dozen or so chapters, and I want to play the entire timeline, or, via a sub-menu, play each chapter individually.

             

            I have ended up doing this by using over-rides, but now the player has a brief pause and grumble as it moves from chapter to chapter on the play all.

             

            If it is down to Adobe's implementation, I wish they would get it sorted.

             

            It is hard to believe that the chapter playlist has been left out of the Blu-ray specification book, it is so popular

            • 3. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
              Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

              Direct from the Encore CS5 Help files:

               

              Note: Blu-ray disc players do not support chapter playlists.

               

              That seems pretty clear to me, so I'll leave it to others to debate the completeness and veracity of that statement.

               

              -Jeff

              • 4. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                h2ofun Community Member

                As I stated, I am not buring a disc and using a BR player.  I have made into an ISO player, and am using popcorn hours ISO set top box player to play.

                Yes, it works just fine in encore preview.  I only have one time line, so playlist with various timelines is not an option.  So, is this a bug or not?

                • 5. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                  Alan Craven Community Member
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                  Jeff Bellune wrote:

                   

                  Direct from the Encore CS5 Help files:

                   

                  Note: Blu-ray disc players do not support chapter playlists.

                   

                  That seems pretty clear to me, so I'll leave it to others to debate the completeness and veracity of that statement.

                   

                  -Jeff

                   

                  So why did Adobe support tell me this would be solved in Encore CS5???

                   

                  Case 0181500287 on 23 March 2010 by Shubnam Abnihotri.

                   

                  I do not have CS5.

                   

                  Message was edited by: Alan Craven

                  • 6. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                    Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                    I am not buring a disc and using a BR player.  I have made into an ISO player, and am using popcorn hours ISO set top box player to play.

                    An ISO file is an image of a disc.  Any player that can mount the ISO file and play it will behave exactly the same way as if you loaded a physical disc into the player and played that.

                     

                    -Jeff

                    • 7. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                      h2ofun Community Member

                      So, the question is, if the "feature" does not work, and has been broken in CS4, why is it still there or why has it not been fixed?

                      Has anyone very been able to get chapter playlist to work on a BR ever?  If so, how?

                      • 8. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                        h2ofun Community Member

                        Okay, after finding some other issues with CS5, I was finally able to get a DVD of my project and the Chapter playlist feature works fine.  So yep, the issue is BR chapter playlists.  So, any idea how I can get this to work on my BR's since this is a needed feature for me.

                         

                        Thanks

                        • 9. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                          Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                          Least expensive to most expensive:

                          1. Create separate timelines and use a standard playlist
                          2. Buy DoStudio's NetBlender BD authoring app
                          3. Buy Scenarist BD4 or Sony's BluPrint
                          • 10. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                            h2ofun Community Member

                            Ouch.

                             

                            So, it is okay for Adobe to advertise and promote a feature that does not work?  I saw this in the Lynda training for CS5 encore.  If it does not work, training course should not be talking about it?

                            • 11. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                              Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                              The feature works for SD DVD, and the help files explicitly state that Chapter Playlists won't work on Blu-ray players.

                               

                              Lynda.com is solely responsible for the content of their training.

                               

                              -Jeff

                              • 12. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                h2ofun Community Member

                                Okay, if that is true, I take it back.  Darn.


                                • 13. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                  Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                  It's true to the best of my knowledge.  If there is some deal where Adobe directed or produced that part of the Lynda content, then you would be correct about Adobe being responsible for any misleading info.  But Adobe usually provides its own outlet for its own training content.

                                   

                                  -Jeff

                                  • 14. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                    h2ofun Community Member

                                    I found this post:

                                     

                                    One problem with the H264 preset in AME is that it has "Profile" set at High, when it must be Main!

                                     

                                    I have been assured by Adobe "support" that this error will be corrected in CS5, but as I have no intention whatsoever of moving on to this I do not know whether they have done so.

                                     

                                    They also assured me that the non-functioning chapter playlists for Blu-ray in CS4 would be corrected in CS5.  I understand that it has not, largely because the Blu-ray specification does not support chapter playlists.

                                     

                                    The problem with Adobe support is that like everyone else's support, they assume that their users are as lacking in knowledge as they are themselves.


                                    • 15. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                      h2ofun Community Member

                                      Do you have the link that states CS5 does not support chapter playlists?  I am looking for it in help now


                                      • 16. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                        h2ofun Community Member

                                        Found it

                                         

                                        Note: Blu-ray disc players do not support chapter playlists.

                                        • 18. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                          Alan Craven Community Member
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                                          h2ofun wrote:

                                           

                                          I found this post:

                                           

                                          One problem with the H264 preset in AME is that it has "Profile" set at High, when it must be Main!

                                           

                                          I have been assured by Adobe "support" that this error will be corrected in CS5, but as I have no intention whatsoever of moving on to this I do not know whether they have done so.

                                           

                                          They also assured me that the non-functioning chapter playlists for Blu-ray in CS4 would be corrected in CS5.  I understand that it has not, largely because the Blu-ray specification does not support chapter playlists.

                                           

                                          The problem with Adobe support is that like everyone else's support, they assume that their users are as lacking in knowledge as they are themselves.


                                           

                                           

                                          That post is mine. See post 5 in this thread, where I referred to this advice.

                                           

                                          From Jeff Bellune's post 9 above, it would appear that Chapter playlists are actually supported by the Blu-ray specification.  Unfortunately Adobe do not offer us this facility. Perhaps they will do so  in return for a further fee of £300 in Encore CS6, which cannot be too far off!

                                           

                                          The problem I find with a "Play All" function that is achieved either by a playlist or by using over-rides to permit play of individual chapters, is that there is obvious searching and stuttering of the DVD or Blu-ray player at the changeover chapter points when the entire project is played..

                                          • 19. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                            Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                            Re: my post #9 above.  The promo literature for the expensive software packages implies that one can construct playlists from chapters and other things.  Methods mentioned include "Actions" and "Scripting".  Whether a "Chapter Playlist" (an Adobe abstraction layer object, after all) is explicitly supported in the Blu-ray spec is unknown to me, nor do I care to do the research to find out for sure.

                                             

                                            -Jerr

                                            • 20. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                              h2ofun Community Member

                                              This whole BR navigaton stuff is funky.  I tried to do the button override with my BR project, and that did not work.  For me, there is zero value to have a playlist.  I have a single 2 hour timeline with all my chapter points.  Cutting this up into seperate timelines would just mean I use no playlist feature, so what is the point for all the extra work I would have to go through.  The chapter playlist is a killer feature for the family movies I make.  Sure seems like there are mixed options out there.  One person talks to tech support and says they will get it fixed.  Another points out the Adobe docs state it does not work.

                                              • 21. Re: Chapter playlist, CS5, BR does not work with image file
                                                Larry Applegate Community Member

                                                The problems are with the Adobe software, not Blu-ray capabilities. Chapter playlists only scratches the surface with what is wrong with their implementation of the Blu-ray navigation commands. Keep it very simple or it won't work. We (and others) have been trying for over two years now to convince Adobe to put more effort into this area, to no avail. We provided them with a fix to their audio and subtitle setup menu failure six months ago, and I met with their engineers at NAB and received a patched Encore that works, but that fix has not been released. International authors can't produce a decent language setup menu.

                                                 

                                                I state these problems on this public forum with great reluctance, because our product BluStreak Premaster was built on the premise that Adobe Encore would eventually be a viable authoring platform to feed our program. Sadly this has not been the case, and all but the most specialized content providers with the simplest menus have fled to NetBlender DoStudio.

                                                 

                                                Regards,

                                                 

                                                Larry