39 Replies Latest reply on Sep 15, 2010 3:11 AM by hellopaul_1

    I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging

    hellopaul_1

      Hello guys.

       

      Finally I bought new computer spec which is:

       

      i7 930 @ 3.6Ghz

      Gigabyte x58a-ud3r

      8GB of memory: G.Skill ECO @1600Mhz CL8

      GeForce GTX 460 @cuda hack

      Two 1TB Samsung F3 drives

      Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

       

      My disks are:

       

      WD Caviar 160GB (C:) for OS&Programs

      Samsung F3 1TB (D:) for Media/Project Files

      Samsung F3 1TB (E:) for Cache/Pagefile

       

      The problem is, I've converted my 7D footage through mpeg streamclip to Avid DNxHD files, replaced the files in Premiere and in After Effects and what? There's no way I'd play the preview in real time :/ I got yellow bar but no way of playing it at least to the level when I can check my project before encoding it. Plus, encoding to FLV YouTube Speed options tooks 2.5hours :|

       

      Am I really doing something wrong or what's going on?

       

      Regards

      Paul

        • 1. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
          Baz R Level 3

          Hi,

           

          Paul


          on your choice of mobo, you should be using 6gb or 12gb as it is triple channel. (12gb min)

           

          also why convert the 7D files, as you can use native 7D files with Premiere, Also the preview speed is possible down to your disk setup.

           

           

          baz

          • 2. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
            hellopaul_1 Level 1

            I am using triple channel even with 4 sticks of 2GB ram.

             

            What do You mean by "you can use native 7D files with Premiere"? Native files in h.264 are even worse. Everyone says to convert native files through cineform or mpeg.

             

            Also the preview speed is possible down to your disk setup

             

            Could you say something more about this? My preview files are on E, so 1TB Samsung F3. All my cache/strach/previews are on E.

            • 3. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
              Baz R Level 3

              Hi, Paul

               

              why are you converting your 7d files ???? when you can import them direct to premier to edit with.

               

              you should use 3 sticks or 6 sticks, is the bios and windows showing 8 gb ???

               

              for disk setup I would use something like this:

               

              2x f3 Raid 0 (media/projects)

              2x f3 Raid 0 (exports)

              1x f3 Cache\temp

               

              you will need to make regluar backups with Raid 0.

               

              There is lots of info on here,have a search

               

              Baz

              • 4. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                Harm Millaard Level 7
                I am using triple channel even with 4 sticks of 2GB ram

                 

                You are not. In the best case you are using dual channel, in the worst case single channel, depending on how the Dimm slots are populated.

                • 5. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                  hellopaul_1 Level 1

                  Hi, Paul

                   

                  why are you converting your 7d files ???? when you can import them direct to premier to edit with.

                   

                  you should use 3 sticks or 6 sticks, is the bios and windows showing 8 gb ???

                   

                  for disk setup I would use something like this:

                   

                  2x f3 Raid 0 (media/projects)

                  2x f3 Raid 0 (exports)

                  1x f3 Cache\temp

                   

                  you will need to make regluar backups with Raid 0.

                   

                  There is lots of info on here,have a search

                   

                  Baz

                   

                  Baz, I did a search before I bought a PC. Harm said (in many topics) that with 3 disks I should not RAID. Unfortunately I can't afford more than 3 disks at the moment.

                   

                  I am converting my 7D files 'cause importing a native files gives even worse results. Also, every tests shows that editing on a converted files is much faster 'cause h.264 is not designed for editing (I say what internet says).

                   

                  And yes, both Windows and BIOS shows 8GBs and they re using 8GBs according to Memory Usage/Prime95 tests and MemTests.

                   

                  You are not. In the best case you are using dual channel, in the worst case single channel, depending on how the Dimm slots are populated.

                   

                  Harm, according to the motherboard manual - I am. But I believe your rights and your expierence so I think I'm gonna buy another 2x2GBs.

                  • 6. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                    hellopaul_1 Level 1

                    So is it only because of RAM?

                     

                    (sorry for another post, I just need to get the answer today, I don't wanna spend another $170 if it's not the answer.)

                    • 7. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                      Try the PPBM5 Benchmark first and then see where you are. If your results are not 300 s or less, something is wrong and you may have to delve deeper. Did you have a look at Adobe Forums: Guide for installing and tuning a Vista... which also to a large degree applies to Win7.

                      • 8. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                        hellopaul_1 Level 1

                        Got the results:

                         

                        helloPaul;Personal or Computer ID
                        Gigabyte X58A-UD3R;Computer Manufacturer
                        X58A-UD3R;Computer Model
                        393;secs Total Benchmark Time
                        ;Performance index
                        100;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                        152;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                        107;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                        34;secs Rendering Time
                        ;MPE off result
                        ;MPE result
                        ;MPE gain
                        Intel;CPU Manufacturer
                        i7 930;CPU Model
                        3.6Ghz;GHz CPU speed
                        1;Number of CPU chips
                        4;Total Number of Cores
                        8;GB RAM
                        5.00;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                        Palit GeForce GTX 460;Graphics Board
                        Win 7 64;OSVersion
                        SATA;OS Disk Interface
                        160;GB OS Disk Capacity
                        7,200;OS Disk Speed
                        SATA;Project Disk Interface
                        1000;GB Project Disk Capacity
                        7,200;Project Disk Speed
                        SATA;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                        1000;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                        7,200;Output / Preview Disk Speed
                        ;Comment

                         

                         

                        I've done the Vista part too. So - more RAM or change OS disk to another Spinpoint F3? :/

                         

                        I've just noticed I didn't do the Premiere update so it runs on 5.0.0.

                        • 9. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                          Update to 5.01. It will reduce your rendering time, because the fourth layer is now done in software and it may have a positive impact on MPEG and H.264 encoding too.

                           

                          Your AVI time, while not stellar, is not bad. Your MPEG encoding is somewhat disappointing, I would have expected something around 125 s, but that probably has to do with having only 8 GB of memory available. Your H.264 score is decent.

                           

                          Additional memory would be my first suggestion. No need to change the OS disk.

                           

                          Rerun the test, following the instructions and submit both results as instructed and possibly here.

                          • 10. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                            hellopaul_1 Level 1

                            without MPE:

                             

                            550;secs Total Benchmark Time
                            ;Performance index
                            100;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                            152;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                            107;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                            191;secs Rendering Time
                            ;MPE off result
                            ;MPE result
                            ;MPE gain

                             

                            with MPE:

                             

                            helloPaul;Personal or Computer ID
                            Gigabyte;Computer Manufacturer
                            X58A-UD3R;Computer Model
                            370;secs Total Benchmark Time
                            ;Performance index
                            100;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                            152;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                            107;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                            11;secs Rendering Time
                            ;MPE off result
                            ;MPE result
                            ;MPE gain
                            Intel;CPU Manufacturer
                            i7 930;CPU Model
                            OC 3.6Ghz;GHz CPU speed
                            1;Number of CPU chips
                            4;Total Number of Cores
                            8;GB RAM
                            5.01;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                            Palit GeForce GTX 460;Graphics Board
                            Win 7 64;OSVersion
                            SATA;OS Disk Interface
                            160;GB OS Disk Capacity
                            7200;OS Disk Speed
                            SATA;Project Disk Interface
                            1000;GB Project Disk Capacity
                            7200;Project Disk Speed
                            SATA;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                            1000;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                            7200;Output / Preview Disk Speed

                             

                            So You say more RAM it is, Harm?

                             

                            My WD Caviar OS disk is not affecting this? It has Read/Write somewhere at 50mb/s, while Spinpoint has 116mb/s

                             

                            Regards

                            Paul

                            • 11. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                              Paul,

                               

                              50 MB/s is pretty low. If you have more than 50 GB on that disk, start with a serious clean up. If you have a hyberfil.sys file there, change your power settings to none and remove the hyberfil.sys file. It can gobble up numberous GB's and the higher the fill rate on your disk, the lower your transfer rates.

                               

                              It may pay to set your Windows system variables to another drive than your C: drive.

                               

                              Notice that your rendering time dropped by around 20 s just by the update to 5.01.

                               

                              Your MPEG score is very susceptible to the amount of RAM in the system and the results on that test are the slowest in comparison to the other tests. I will add your data tomorrow, so you can see for yourself.

                               

                              If you look at MPEG encoding times @3.6 GHz with an i7-980X with 6 or 12 GB memory on the Background Information page, you see 147 versus 110 s. That difference is almost completely caused by the improved frame buffering with more memory. Look at the MPEG2-DVD test info http://ppbm5.com/Background.html

                               

                              Add: Results have been posted. Your MPEG score is a bit lower than expected due to memory limitations and your software render is disappointing for the same reason.

                              • 12. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                Paul, I do not know if this is the same problem that I was having with playback of AVCHD with my new camera, but Dennis tipped me off to a solution on playback where moving things like heads seemed to bounce around plus moire patterns on parallel stripes.  What you have to do is go to the Program Sequence window and right click on it.  Select Playback Resolution and set it to Full.

                                 

                                Also make sure that you have indexing turned off on your disk drives and that you are not running any virus protection, spyware detection, etc. while editing

                                • 13. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                  Powered by Design Level 4

                                  Like Harm said about the RAM.

                                  You are not. In the best case you are using dual channel, in the worst case single channel, depending on how the Dimm slots are populated.

                                   

                                  When you dont run the RAM in 3's it changes the way the RAM is used.

                                   

                                  Just for fun take the 4th stick out so you are just running 3 sticks in triple channel and take the PPBM test gain to see if that helps your score.

                                   

                                  You can alway get more RAM to get to 12GB later.

                                   

                                   

                                  GLenn

                                  • 14. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                    hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                    @Bill: I have indexing turned off. Will try full resolution later.

                                     

                                    @Powered by Design:

                                     

                                    These are the results with 6GB Rams.

                                     

                                    helloPaul;Personal or Computer ID
                                    Gigabyte;Computer Manufacturer
                                    X58A-UD3R;Computer Model
                                    382;secs Total Benchmark Time
                                    ;Performance index
                                    99;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                                    162;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                                    110;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                                    11;secs Rendering Time
                                    ;MPE off result
                                    ;MPE result
                                    ;MPE gain
                                    Intel;CPU Manufacturer
                                    i7 930;CPU Model
                                    OC 3.6Ghz;GHz CPU speed
                                    1;Number of CPU chips
                                    4;Total Number of Cores
                                    6;GB RAM
                                    5.01;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                                    Palit GeForce GTX 460;Graphics Board
                                    Win 7 64;OSVersion
                                    SATA;OS Disk Interface
                                    160;GB OS Disk Capacity
                                    7200;OS Disk Speed
                                    SATA;Project Disk Interface
                                    1000;GB Project Disk Capacity
                                    7200;Project Disk Speed
                                    SATA;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                                    1000;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                                    7200;Output / Preview Disk Speed
                                    ;Comment

                                     

                                    As You can see, they re working in triple channel if they re 4 sticks. According to the motherboard manual:

                                     

                                    http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9582/mbtirple.png

                                     

                                    So, guys, are you totally sure it is because of RAM, not the slow OS disk?

                                     

                                    @Harm: I have 120GB on that disk. It is totally fresh, new Windows installed. I don't understand this part:

                                    If you have a hyberfil.sys file there, change your power settings to none and remove the hyberfil.sys file.

                                    What do You mean by "change your power settings to none"? My comp is running 3.6Ghz all the time, I've turned off that power-saver mode off in BIOS.

                                     

                                    If you're totally sure it is because of RAM, not the disk, then I'm gonna buy more RAM. I trust your advices.

                                     

                                    Regards

                                    Paul

                                    • 15. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                      Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                      Paul,

                                       

                                      1. Turning off Power Saver in the BIOS does not prevent the OS from going into Hibernation.  That has to be turned off in the control panel.  This will prevent wasting a huge file from being created on the boot drive to store the hibernation files.
                                      2. 120 GB with a fresh load??  What in the world do you have there?  A fresh load with a few applications is typically ~40 GB.  That is way to much on that disk for any performance.  I would say that either pare that down to less than half that and if you really have that much garbage get a new monster disk.  Any time you exceed 50% to 65% of a disk the performance plummets.  I would guess that you do need a new disk for the OS and could benefit from more RAM
                                      • 16. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                        Baz R Level 3

                                        Hi, Paul

                                         

                                        the possible reason why you have so mutch on your OS Drive is due to your media cache and temp files been stored on the drive.

                                         

                                        do a disk cleanup, and clean the media cache within premiere.

                                         

                                         

                                        if this is the issue, do a defrag, and re-run the benchmark.

                                         

                                         

                                        good luck

                                         

                                        Baz

                                        • 17. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                          hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                          Guys! Unfortunately my english is quite poor so of course I wrote not what I thought.

                                           

                                          I meant that I have 120GB FREE SPACE on disk C

                                           

                                          Plus, I really like the hibernation option and I'd want to leave it as it is.

                                           

                                          As internet says, WD Caviars are not the best drives and 50mb/s is typical speed of these disks. Still, as Harm said, I think it's enough for system. Of course I'd love to have SSD for system but I can't afford it for now.

                                           

                                          @Studio North: as I said in the first post, I have media on D and all cache on E

                                           

                                          Edit: I did some tests and copying 12GB of files from Samsung to Samsung took 1minute 36sec, average transfer was 135mb/s and copying 12GB of files from Samsung to WD Caviar (OS disk) took 4minutes 45sec and average transfer was some like 50mb/s :|

                                           

                                          I'll try to install Premiere on Samsung.

                                          • 18. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                            hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                            Guys, I did some tests and here are the conclusions:

                                             

                                            I've installed Premiere on Samsung (forgot about the update) and the only thing has changed is that it loads really faster.

                                             

                                            Next, I put some original 7D footage (.MOV) into timeline, then I put DNxHD .mov file into timeline, then I put another file (cineform neoscene .avi as I remember), and some title, and some transitions, clicked space and... it played smoooooooth.

                                             

                                            BUT: I tried to color correct one of that files in After Effects via DynamicLink (I used many effects - curves, hue/sat, levels, tint, vibrance etc), got back into Premiere, clicked play and... it wasn't so smooth any more. In fact, I had to render whole scene (via enter key) before it played smooth.

                                             

                                            The odd thing is, while rendering was going on, I've checked the use of the proccesor and ram and it showed me 25% usage of CPU and 5.2GB of RAM (Premiere can use 6.5gb on my computer).

                                             

                                            I've ordered another 4GB of RAM and will test it tommorow.

                                             

                                            PS: sorry for my english, I'm quite pissed at the moment and can't focus on anything

                                            • 19. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                                              Your worst move is to use MOV files. That requires the QTServer32 to be loaded, which is 32 bit and a serious drag on performance. Always, but especially in CS5, FORGET about QT if you can avoid it. Your camera must also give you other formats, or at least give the opportunity to change from MOV to something much easier to edit.

                                              • 20. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                Harm, NOW I am confused (!) Every tutorial on editing vDSLRs footage says to convert AVCHD to another codec 'cause AVCHD is really bad for editing. When I said I convert my 7D AVCHD files (which are .MOV) to another codec, everyone told me to stop doing it 'cause Premiere CS5.0 can edit AVCHD really nice. Now You're telling me I should convert my files to another FORMAT So should I stay at AVCHD but convert my files to .avi or should I convert my files to, let say, Cineform and .avi?

                                                 

                                                Even Studio North in this topic said:

                                                 

                                                also why convert the 7D files, as you can use native 7D files with Premiere

                                                 


                                                I really don't know what to do from now on...

                                                • 21. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                  Your camera does not natively record MOV I guess, but rather some Mxx format, like MTS, or somewhat similar, which is likely AVCHD. Just import that into your project and use the New Item icon in the Project Panel. That will get you on the way. Remember MOV is just a wrapper, but when PR finds that wrapper, it needs to use that burdensome and troubleridden QTServer32 process. You are much better off with plain AVCHD than that same material wrapped in a MOV format.

                                                  • 22. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                    hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                    Harm, I assure You my camera write movie material only in .MOV files. I really know my camera but I've checked manual for being sure and

                                                    on the first page of filming section it says it writes files in .MOV format only.

                                                     

                                                    Regards

                                                    Paul

                                                    • 23. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                      ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                                      http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_7d#Specifications

                                                       

                                                      The 7D like other DSLR's record in the H264 codec which is normally QuickTime unless it's flash. You can edit them natively in Adobe but the compression ratio is as high as AVCHD which is another Mpeg4 based codec like H264. You convert these files to Cineform if your system cannot handle playback editing natively. Cineform's codec has a much lower compression level which makes it far easier on the system to edit and far less chance of artifacts when compositing or overlaying images, video, or animation.  That is why you convert them. Also Quicktime has not been updated as much as AVI so the performance is is not as good with the current systems.

                                                       

                                                      Eric

                                                      ADK

                                                      • 24. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                        hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                        http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eo s_7d#Specifications

                                                         

                                                        The 7D like other DSLR's record in the H264 codec which is normally QuickTime unless it's flash. You can edit them natively in Adobe but the compression ratio is as high as AVCHD which is another Mpeg4 based codec like H264. You convert these files to Cineform if your system cannot handle playback editing natively. Cineform's codec has a much lower compression level which makes it far easier on the system to edit and far less chance of artifacts when compositing or overlaying images, video, or animation.  That is why you convert them. Also Quicktime has not been updated as much as AVI so the performance is is not as good with the current systems.

                                                         

                                                        Eric

                                                        ADK

                                                         

                                                        So this is what I knew and what I thought. Still, thank You Eric for clearing this out

                                                         

                                                        We came to the point when we are sure that cause of my problems is not the format, neither the codec.

                                                        I've ordered another 4gigs of RAM, will check it tommorow when they arrive.

                                                         

                                                        Btw, is it good idea to install all my Adobe programs on disk D (Samsung F3) and keep other programs on C (WD Caviar 160GB)? I am asking that 'cause I got plenty of space on D and Premiere runs much faster when it's installed on D.

                                                        • 25. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                          Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                                          Eric and/or others,

                                                           

                                                          How do you determine what you actually have in an AVCHD clip?  GSpot does not seem to cover AVCHD clips.  I now am not having any problems editing video from my new Sony NXCAM since I switched the timeline to full resolution.  If you have the resolution set to 1/2 or 1/4 resolution it takes time for each frame to play.  But just for technical information curiosity I would like to know more about these streams.  Gspot (current version 22 February 2007) cannot tell you anything.  Is there some other tool or way to find out.  Sony provides software to off-load from the camera and they change the mts file to a m2ts extension, I do not know if there are any changes in the process.

                                                          • 26. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                            hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                            Guys, I've installed another 4gigs of RAM and here are the results:

                                                             

                                                            helloPaul;Personal or Computer ID
                                                            Gigabyte;Computer Manufacturer
                                                            X58A-UD3R;Computer Model
                                                            260;secs Total Benchmark Time
                                                            ;Performance index
                                                            101;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                                                            48;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                                                            101;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                                                            10;secs Rendering Time
                                                            ;MPE off result
                                                            ;MPE result
                                                            ;MPE gain
                                                            Intel;CPU Manufacturer
                                                            i7 930;CPU Model
                                                            OC 3.6Ghz;GHz CPU speed
                                                            1;Number of CPU chips
                                                            4;Total Number of Cores
                                                            12;GB RAM
                                                            5.01;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                                                            Palit GeForce GTX 460;Graphics Board
                                                            Win 7 64;OSVersion
                                                            SATA;OS Disk Interface
                                                            160;GB OS Disk Capacity
                                                            7200;OS Disk Speed
                                                            SATA;Project Disk Interface
                                                            1TB;GB Project Disk Capacity
                                                            7200;Project Disk Speed
                                                            SATA;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                                                            1TB;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                                                            7200;Output / Preview Disk Speed

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            As we can see, results are much better BUT (!) still, I got yellow line in my video and can't play it smoothly o.O I think the problem lays in the  way the video is made. I must reorganize few things maybe (maybe delete that .psd viniete on every cut).

                                                             

                                                            I still don't get it why h.264 and Avi are so long :/ MPEG got down to 48sec from 160smth oO

                                                            • 27. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                              Paul,

                                                               

                                                              I would like you to do the following:

                                                               

                                                              1. Navigate to the ..\PPBM directory and delete the Benchmark.m2v file.

                                                               

                                                              2. Open the Benchmark project with PR. In Project settings/General, make sure that MPE is turned on and confirm the delete preview files.

                                                               

                                                              3. Save the project and quit PR.

                                                               

                                                              4. Open AME and follow the ReadMe instructions to add the MPEG2-DVD test only to the queue.

                                                               

                                                              5. Press Duplicate two times, so you have three instances in the queue.

                                                               

                                                              6. Run the queue and when finished, go to File/Show Log.

                                                               

                                                              7. Scroll down to the bottom and report the times in the last three entries here.

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for your time and effort.

                                                               

                                                              The reason for this request is that your current results were done with the Benchmark project set to MPE off and that gives incorrect results.

                                                              • 28. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                                I thought MPE was on. I have a hack on GTX460 so maybe it doesn't always show that MPE is on but it is working for sure

                                                                (trust me, when I turn to "software only", the nightmare starts ;D)

                                                                 


                                                                2010-08-17 11:45:39 : Kolejka uruchomiona

                                                                 


                                                                - Plik źródłowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark.prproj
                                                                - Plik wyjściowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark_1.m2v
                                                                - Używane ustawienie: Niestandardowe
                                                                - Wideo: NTSC, 720x480, 29,97 kl./s, Jakość 4,0, Dolny
                                                                - Audio: Brak podsumowania
                                                                - Szybkość transmisji: 1-przebiegowe, Min. 2,80, Docelowa 5,00, Maks. 7,00 Mb/s
                                                                - Czas kodowania: 00:00:49
                                                                2010-08-17 11:46:29 : Kodowanie pliku zakończyło się pomyślnie

                                                                 


                                                                - Plik źródłowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark.prproj
                                                                - Plik wyjściowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark_1_1.m2v
                                                                - Używane ustawienie: Niestandardowe
                                                                - Wideo: NTSC, 720x480, 29,97 kl./s, Jakość 4,0, Dolny
                                                                - Audio: Brak podsumowania
                                                                - Szybkość transmisji: 1-przebiegowe, Min. 2,80, Docelowa 5,00, Maks. 7,00 Mb/s
                                                                - Czas kodowania: 00:00:29
                                                                2010-08-17 11:46:58 : Kodowanie pliku zakończyło się pomyślnie

                                                                 


                                                                - Plik źródłowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark.prproj
                                                                - Plik wyjściowy: D:\Filmy\PPMB\Benchmark_1_2.m2v
                                                                - Używane ustawienie: Niestandardowe
                                                                - Wideo: NTSC, 720x480, 29,97 kl./s, Jakość 4,0, Dolny
                                                                - Audio: Brak podsumowania
                                                                - Szybkość transmisji: 1-przebiegowe, Min. 2,80, Docelowa 5,00, Maks. 7,00 Mb/s
                                                                - Czas kodowania: 00:00:29
                                                                2010-08-17 11:47:28 : Kodowanie pliku zakończyło się pomyślnie

                                                                 

                                                                The first time is so long 'cause I started to quit programs while encoding was on.

                                                                • 29. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                  Paul,

                                                                   

                                                                  There has got to be something wrong here. It is utterly IMPOSSIBLE that your i7-930 @ 3.6 GHZ is more than 2 - 3 times faster than similarly or even higher clocked i7 quad cores with the same memory or even i7-980X hexa cores and eclipes an i7-980X @ 4.2 GHZ with 24 GB memory. This can't be correct.

                                                                   

                                                                  It can only be, if you followed the instructions (partly) correctly, that you started with the H.264-BR test instead of the MPEG2-DVD test. Post a screen shot from your AME queue and again from the last entries from the log file.

                                                                   

                                                                  Your score should be around 120+ seconds to be believable.

                                                                  • 30. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                    hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                                    Harm, I did EXACTLY what manual says once again. I've deleted whole folder and downloaded it once again.

                                                                     

                                                                    Here are the results:

                                                                    MPE:

                                                                    ;Personal or Computer ID
                                                                    ;Computer Manufacturer
                                                                    ;Computer Model
                                                                    260;secs Total Benchmark Time
                                                                    ;Performance index
                                                                    100;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                                                                    49;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                                                                    101;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                                                                    10;secs Rendering Time
                                                                    ;MPE off result
                                                                    ;MPE result
                                                                    ;MPE gain
                                                                    ;CPU Manufacturer
                                                                    ;CPU Model
                                                                    ;GHz CPU speed
                                                                    ;Number of CPU chips
                                                                    ;Total Number of Cores
                                                                    ;GB RAM
                                                                    ;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                                                                    ;Graphics Board
                                                                    ;OSVersion
                                                                    ;OS Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB OS Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;OS Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Project Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB Project Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;Project Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;Output / Preview Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Comment

                                                                    Without MPE:

                                                                    ;Personal or Computer ID
                                                                    ;Computer Manufacturer
                                                                    ;Computer Model
                                                                    389;secs Total Benchmark Time
                                                                    ;Performance index
                                                                    100;secs AVI  Encoding Time
                                                                    49;secs MPEG Elapsed Time
                                                                    101;secs H.264 Elapsed Time
                                                                    139;secs Rendering Time
                                                                    ;MPE off result
                                                                    ;MPE result
                                                                    ;MPE gain
                                                                    ;CPU Manufacturer
                                                                    ;CPU Model
                                                                    ;GHz CPU speed
                                                                    ;Number of CPU chips
                                                                    ;Total Number of Cores
                                                                    ;GB RAM
                                                                    ;Version 25 PPBM5 multitest
                                                                    ;Graphics Board
                                                                    ;OSVersion
                                                                    ;OS Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB OS Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;OS Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Project Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB Project Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;Project Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Output / Preview Disk Interface
                                                                    ;GB Output / Preview Disk Capacity
                                                                    ;Output / Preview Disk Speed
                                                                    ;Comment

                                                                     

                                                                    Here's the screen from AME:

                                                                    2.JPG

                                                                    • 31. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                      Paul,

                                                                       

                                                                      Did you maybe start with MPE off and then MPE on in your workflow?

                                                                      • 32. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                        hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                                        Do You ask about benchmark or about my project?

                                                                         

                                                                        When I was starting my project I didn't have GTX460 so I couldn't have MPE turned on.

                                                                        But when I started doing these new tests, I had MPE turned on 'cause now I have GTX460 and I've "hacked" it.

                                                                        • 33. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                          I need an explanation for these results:

                                                                           

                                                                          17-Aug-10 15-38-37.png

                                                                           

                                                                          Your 152 score is perfectly understandable, your 49 score is absolutely unbelievable, unless there is Operator Error.

                                                                          • 34. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                            hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                                            All of these are made on my new computer, so yes, I have MPE turned on since the beggining. I do everything EXACTLY how manual says to do. Maybe there's some mistake in manual (I mean readme file)?

                                                                             

                                                                            I have no idea why my MPEG score is so good now (triple channel started to work for real?), plus, I have no idea why I still have yellow bar at my project and why rendering 4minutes of video takes still 2 hours...

                                                                             

                                                                            I HAVE TO do something wrong. Maybe it is because I didn't color-correct whole file before cutting it? I cut the footage into scenes, then rearranged them and then CC'ed every scene in After Effects via DynamicLink (but they stayed in one AE project, each scene is just another composition).

                                                                            • 36. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                              ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                                                              I normally just go into the properties in Premiere for the video clip. Also you can bring the clip up in onlocation and view the Metadata for it. Beyond that I don't have any other utility I use. That Sony Utility may rewrap the files in a Mpeg2 container. I am not sure really. I was told they had dealings with Cineform at some point regarding their AVC codec but I have no idea to what extent.

                                                                               

                                                                              Eric

                                                                              ADK

                                                                              • 38. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                                semajha

                                                                                Wow interesting thread, I plan on building a very similar build, so I hope you get this issue solved.

                                                                                • 39. Re: I HAVE to do smth wrong - new comp and premiere still lagging
                                                                                  hellopaul_1 Level 1

                                                                                  Guys, I came to the moment when I HAVE TO render out my movie for my client.

                                                                                  The problem still exists.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Today I've tried this options while rendering:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  premiere.JPG

                                                                                   

                                                                                  for a 4 minutes 2 seconds long video from Canon 7D with a color grading in AfterEffects and two or three cross fades.

                                                                                  The AME is showing me these times: prme.JPG

                                                                                   

                                                                                  WHAT THE HECK is going on? It's impossible it takes so much time. What if I'd want to export an hour long movie?

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Please guys, You must find a solution I spent my last money for this computer and something must be wrong.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Edit: now it shows me 3h. The strange thing is that if I check how much RAM is used while rendering, it shows only 5-5.5GB while it can use 9 :| Plus, it almost doesn't use processor.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Regards

                                                                                  Paul