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1. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)HI,
I've been fooling around with learning more about avchd stuff, and collected some info ...a little cryptic maybe...
AVCHD CONVERTER and export info aunsoft 29 dollars ----- I got this yesterday and tested on one file...cheaper than -cineform-neoscene..can always get neoscene later if you want to get idea whats up with cheaper converter first...
http://www.aunsoft.com/mts-converter/
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Re: Premier CS3 and MTS filesConvert AVCHD to HDV http://forums.adobe.com/thread/390605?tstart=0
or Cineform Neo Scene http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/
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export ....Try MPEG2 4:2:2 I-frame:http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38378/MPEG2_I-frame.jpg
Or http://lags.leetcode.net/codec.html.
-Jeff
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2. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Ann Bens Aug 19, 2010 11:15 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)Tried different kinds of converters and did not like any off them,
I use Cineform and i love it. Very easy to edit. Cineform is visual lossless. Which i could not say about other converters.
You can capture HDV as CF avi or convert mts/m2ts to CF avi's.
You can also export your timeline to CF avi.
I used to use Dan Iscaacs method to go from HD to SD.
Then i discovered that CF together with TMPGenc makes very good dvd-mpeg2.
Imo better than CS4.
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3. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 19, 2010 11:31 AM (in response to Ann Bens)------------
I use Cineform and i love it. Very easy to edit. Cineform is visual lossless. Which i could not say about other converters.
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Ann, You dont go into premiere at all with this workflow ??
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Chris: do you have one of your clips I can download to experiement with ?? I promise I wont put groucho eyeglasses on anyone !
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4. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Ann Bens Aug 19, 2010 11:35 AM (in response to able123)You can download the trial, fully functional for 7 days.
I have a hdv camera and caputure with NeoScene the same way as HDV split.
Then I bring the files into Premiere.
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5. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM (in response to Ann Bens)Ann,
ahhhh, OK...things make sense to me now .... thanks !
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6. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 7:11 AM (in response to able123)Hey, Rod.
I think your previous advice pointing me to Jeff's 4:2:2 is the way for me to go at the moment. However, I'm looking into Cineform just to see what it can do for me since people seem to think highly of it.
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7. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 7:12 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Hey, Ann.
> You can also export your timeline to CF avi.
So after you install Neo Scene, does CF appear as an option in Adobe Media Encoder?
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8. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 7:13 AM (in response to able123)Hey, Rod.
> Chris: do you have one of your clips I can download to experiement with ?? I promise I wont put groucho eyeglasses on anyone !
Everything's client stuff right now, which I obviously can't share. Sorry, man!
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9. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 20, 2010 8:56 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)update on my experiments with m2ts file...using a conversion program to get into cs3 and then export as something decent.
So far, in a word, I would say "this s...ks"
I know the m2ts is a special animal ( different than m2t ) ...but it is quickly becoming apparent that to really work with these file types and get something decent back out I would need to
a) get cs4 at least...probably better off with cs5
b) with cs4 use Ann's suggestion all the way...neoscene convert and CF export....
I will now move on to other things, as currently I am looking on avchd stuff with cs3 as akin to having a sharp stick in my eye.
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10. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 9:07 AM (in response to able123)Rod,
Somehow in all this I missed the fact that you were having problems getting AVCHD into CS3. D'oh!
CS5 requires a 64 bit machine. CS4 rocks, but why buy CS4 when CS5 is out?
At $99 (B&H Photo), it sounds like the Cineform Neo Scene approach is the most painless option, but in terms of price and usability. I mean, assuming that CF plays nice with CS3.
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11. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Ann Bens Aug 20, 2010 9:13 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)Yes, the Cineform codec is present otherwise one could not export to CF avi.
Download the trial, fully functional for 7 days.
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12. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 9:16 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Thanks, Ann. Apologies for the stupid questions, I'm a bit new to this side of the street.
Definitely looks like something that should be in my bag of tricks!
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14. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 20, 2010 9:27 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)Well, not "problems" really...more like "experimenting" ...as I dont shoot, dont have camera, dont want camera.
In terms of "handling" files with cs3 I do a LOT of experimenting...to learn stuff but also to see for myself what is going on re: quality issues etc...
I've only edited a couple things for "clients" ( for free to learn the program basically ) and that footage was not avchd...and eventually I'll be leaning more toward working with ( hopefully ) pro camera stuff like some others here do...
But to do that I need cs5 and a new computer. If, in the meantime ( as I would need to use my annuity money to have a new 64 bit computer - with ability to work on pro stuff I think about $10,000) , which means formally retiring from my job - to start collecting my pension and get the annuity as a lump sum) I want to work on my 32 bit platform but have the upgrade to cs4 I could do that without having to spend the money on a new computer as well...
Sooo, although this is long winded explanation, I'm doing stuff to learn everything I can about all the different video formats and workflows while I have the time, as it is now slow in NY for film work....though things are picking up in the past week...( august is good time for many to go on vacation in film biz ). But now there are set building things going on for shoot dates beginning in Sept, Oct....once the sets are built they are rigged for lighting and painted, translights are hung etc and all that takes time...sooo, its starting to get busy...thank goodness.
I am of the opinion that the cineform is the way to go with cs4...let me know how it works out for you !
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15. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 9:30 AM (in response to Ann Bens)> There are no stupid questions just ....
Stupid people!
Great stuff, thanks again for all your help.
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16. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 20, 2010 9:32 AM (in response to able123)> I am of the opinion that the cineform is the way to go with cs4...let me know how it works out for you !
Will do. And maybe I need to get you down to Atlanta to build some sets for me. Or is that sort of thing beneath your pay grade?
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17. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 20, 2010 10:13 AM (in response to Christopher Duncan)Hiya,
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Will do. And maybe I need to get you down to Atlanta to build some sets for me. Or is that sort of thing beneath your pay grade?
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What ? You want me to sweat bullets swinging a hammer ? !
hehe, kidding...
This might help you someday...
You local fun film buddies in the IATSE Atlanta
home page
http://iatse479.org/iatse479/Home.htmlavailable list ( current updated daily)
http://iatse479.org/iatse479/Referrals_files/Availability%20List.pdfIm a grip like these guys on the "available list"..
Miller, Christopher (404)723-8666 Grip - Grip
Guevara, Bryan (949)874-3361 Grip - Grip
Browner,Jonathan (404)313-2113 Grip - Grip------------------------
A friend of mine who I worked with in NY ( he was from Atlanta and eventually moved back down there from NY about 25 years ago ) is
Mike Fedak ( pronounced "feedack" ). I called the union office down there a min ago and Mike is still working as a grip and if you PM me I'll give you his phone number. His mom just passed away I was told by guy in office..a few weeks ago...so he might be taking time off for a week or so more...
Mike's younger brother Dave is a business agent now with one of the Atlanta locals...not a bad person to know either..as they basically see what your situation is and try to make good arrangements re: contracts or letters of agreement and so on...
You can talk to Mike about anything needed and he will know...Directors of photography, cam operators, equipment vendors, props, scenics, set construction...anything...even production companies...
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18. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
Christopher Duncan Aug 22, 2010 7:10 PM (in response to able123)Rod,
I was just teasing you about swinging a hammer for me, although the offer of a beer is good anytime.
Thanks for the resource, though. It's nice to know who the pros are out in this neck of the woods.
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19. Re: CS4: Cineform Neo Scene 5
able123 Aug 22, 2010 7:16 PM (in response to Christopher Duncan)Hi !
You bet...you never know when you might need to refer someone else too...





