22 Replies Latest reply: Aug 23, 2010 3:17 PM by hotphoto RSS

    Trouble with Cross Fade Transition

    hotphoto Community Member

      CS4 PPro. Sometimes when I use a crossfade from a black video to my action video and then render it I get this problem.

      Can anyone explain this and is there a work around. It happens with a Black Matte also.

      I suspect it's hardware related.

      Here is a screenshot of what it looks like on the monitor.

      Thx in advance of all help given to me.

      Phil

      It just flashes on for just a approx. 100th of a second.Sample_1.jpg

        • 1. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
          Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

          Let's get the video issues out of the way first.

           

          Have you updated your video card's driver?

           

          What is the make/model of your video card?

           

          What are your OpenGL settings?

           

          Do you have Hardware Acceleration ON in the OS?

           

          Do you have 3D set to "Let Application Decide," or other?

           

          I also see that you have this over an AVI. What are the specs. of that AVI? Is this footage that you Captured from miniDV tape via FireWire in PrPro?

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
            hotphoto Community Member

            Let's get the video issues out of the way first.

             

            Have you updated your video card's driver?

            Just did it.

             

            What is the make/model of your video card?

            ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO

             

            What are your OpenGL settings?

            Sorry I've looked and can't find them. Are they listed in the ATI settings menus?

             

            Do you have Hardware Acceleration ON in the OS?

            I do not see that Option in my Display Properties Settings, I've listed below the settings in ATI 3D, but there

            are many other tabs to choose from.

             

            Do you have 3D set to "Let Application Decide," or other?

            Standard Settings- Set to Balanced

            Anti_Aliasing-Set to Use application settings-Filter-Set to Box

            Adaptive Anti-Aliasing-Disabled

            Anisotropic Filtering-Set to Use application settings

            Catalyst tm A.I.-Set to Standard

            Mipmap Detail Level-Set to High Quality

             

            I  also see that you have this over an AVI. What are the specs. of that  AVI? Is this footage that you Captured from miniDV tape via FireWire in  PrPro?

            Yes MiniDV tape firewire in PrPro CS4

             

            Hope this helps you, help me...thx Phil

            • 3. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
              Community Member

              Hi

              Since you're not really familiar with your overall hardware stuff...in the meantime, while you investigate that info more.....maybe you could try using your own keyframes in your "effect" panel (opacity)...

               

              make your black video, overlap your avi file...use manual keyframes of opacity to fade out the black and fade in the avi...as shown in image...  make sure the keyframes match (  on top of each other in both clips ) so the angle of the slope ( fade ) is equal in both for a smooth "manual cross dissolve "...

               

              manual cross fade.jpg

               

              ps.. also, if your black video and avi are on the SAME video channel instead of stacked, you would probably get better results from the cross dissolve "EFFECT" ...the automatic one you are now using...as it looks to me like youre trying to cross dissolve from black video to nothing basically....and it just so happens you have some video under it to eventually get revealed.

               

               

               

              • 4. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                jeremy d. Adobe Employee
                ps.. also, if your black video and avi are on the SAME video channel instead of stacked, you would probably get better results from the cross dissolve "EFFECT" ...the automatic one you are now using...as it looks to me like youre trying to cross dissolve from black video to nothing basically....and it just so happens you have some video under it to eventually get revealed.

                 

                I thought that, too.

                 

                If you need to have your footage on two separate tracks, then tweaking the opacity settings, as Rod suggested, is the way to go.

                If you can move those clips to the same track, then you'd likely see an improvement if you use the cross-dissolve.

                • 5. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                  hotphoto Community Member

                  Thank you so much for this work around, I got stuck

                  thinking too much in the box instead of outside of it.

                  Thx for help a fellow videographer.

                  I have another unrelated question.

                  If I download a .avi file of a movie, say "Indiana Jones" and I want to use a short clip of it in a video I am doing, why when I import it to my PrPro timeline does it end up being upside down?

                  Thx Phil

                  • 6. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                    hotphoto Community Member

                    Thank you so much for this work around, I got stuck

                    thinking too much in the box instead of outside of it.

                    Thx for help a fellow videographer.

                    I have another unrelated question.

                    If  I download a .avi file of a movie, say "Indiana Jones" and I want to  use a short clip of it in a video I am doing, why when I import it to my  PrPro timeline does it end up being upside down?

                    Thx Phil

                    • 7. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                      Community Member

                      hehe...thats a new one for me...hmmm, upside down doesnt sound right at all ...

                       

                      is it upside down in project panel ( the little preview screen there ? ) and also upside down is "source" monitor if you drag it there?

                       

                       

                      • 8. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                        Community Member

                        also, while youre at it...

                         

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                        Anti_Aliasing-Set to Use application settings-Filter-Set to  Box

                        Adaptive Anti-Aliasing-Disabled

                        Anisotropic  Filtering-Set to Use application settings

                        Catalyst  tm A.I.-Set to Standard

                        Mipmap Detail Level-Set  to High Quality

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                        most of this if not all of it is basically for "gaming"....when you get a chance and if you can find the right ATI control panels.....just put all this stuff on the default settings....

                         

                        in all likelyhood your games will still play fine with default settings if you have games like that ( which you shouldnt really on a machine that you edit wtih )

                         

                        there is ( somewhere ) someplace for you to tell the graphic card to let your 'PROGRAMS" control how the card settings are applied ( sorta.. that oversimplifies it..but its the best setting for you )  Make that happen if you can.

                         

                        Basically what you want to do with your graphic card is NOT have it set up to play games....just to give you the general idea..

                        • 9. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                          hotphoto Community Member

                          Hello,
                          Yeah it is upside down and backwards like in a mirror on both source and  preview and it is only that way on PrPro, if I play it on the computer  in my default player WIN DVD it works fine.

                          thx Phil

                          • 10. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                            hotphoto Community Member

                            Yeah I don't game at all, I have not touched any of the default

                            settings that came with this card.

                            I only use computer for photos, videos and the web.

                            Yeah I know I should not use it for the web also, but can't afford 2nd computer.

                            I have very good virus software ESET NOD32 and I am very careful.

                            Thx Phil

                            • 11. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                              jeremy d. Adobe Employee

                              Oh my. That's a first for me, too.

                               

                              Just that clip?

                              • 12. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                Community Member

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                                Yeah it is upside down and backwards like in a mirror

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                                LOL

                                 

                                Sorry, couldnt help laughing...well, ummmm, hmmmm, let me google that one...you could always in the meantime try using effects to flip it  (horizontal flip) and rotate it 180...hehe...that would work OK... use motion/position/scale etc in your effect panel..I would have to go look to find exact horizontal flip thing...but its there somewhere...that takes care of the MIRROR part...and the rotate takes care of the UPSIDE down part...

                                 

                                haha..sill laughing

                                 

                                pretty bizarre.

                                • 13. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                  Community Member

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                                  Just that clip?

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                                  LOL...gawd, lets HOPE so !

                                  • 14. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                    hotphoto Community Member

                                    Hi,

                                    Any clip that I download from say a torrent site. Might just want to take 6o secs of it for something I am doing.

                                    I am sure if someone sent me their avi. file that they created it would be fine.

                                    Is it some kind of copy protection, have you ever done such a thing and it worked just fine?

                                    Phil

                                    • 15. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                      Community Member

                                      yikes...you do live dangerously !  Torrents are notorious for giving you all sorts of viruses and trojans that are often NOT detected by your protection software.  But to answer your question...no, I never downloaded a torrent video and have no clue what the problem is with that clip...  maybe someone recorded it upside down through a mirror just to have a little fun at your expense ?

                                      • 16. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                        Bill Hunt CommunityMVP

                                        Who knows what one gets from a torrent site?

                                         

                                        Good luck, and keep that anti-virus software updated.

                                         

                                        Hunt

                                        • 17. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                          hotphoto Community Member

                                          Funny......no, it doesn't matter the source it is still upside down.

                                          I am very careful, you just need to check out the history of what you want and don't deal

                                          with files that have no comments from others. Never had a problem, no malware or virus.

                                          Cross my fingers.

                                          So you have never used a prerecorded clip on your timeline?

                                          See, upside down and backwards!

                                          Phil

                                          True_Blood_example.JPG

                                          • 18. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                            Community Member

                                            we are generally very against piracy of any kind around here.   For example....I  work in film production as a grip ( film crew). Every DVD that gets sold pays 3 cents toward my pension welfare plan which we negotiated with producers / distributors.

                                            When people pirate the DVD's I lose that 3 cents.  When you multiply that by a few million pirated DVD's it becomes an issue.

                                             

                                            There are other reasons to support the people who work on things that others use and enjoy, and in general the group of people here are not going to be able to help you with torrents.  Just to let you know..

                                             

                                            With regard to your video that is backwards etc...did you try the horizontal flip and the rotate effects ?? That will do the trick for you..let me know how it works out !

                                             

                                             

                                            • 19. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                              hotphoto Community Member

                                              Hi,

                                              The vertical flip effect worked great.

                                              I am sorry for the download thing, I don't do it to watch them, the whole movie that is, I just sometimes want to take a snippet to add to something I am creating. I know that basically it is the same thing. I've tried doing the same thing with DVD's that I have bought but they have VOB files which I can't import into PrPro.

                                              Thank you so much for all your help.

                                              Phil

                                              • 20. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                                Community Member

                                                ahh, vertical flip...I shoulda thought of that...good going ! 

                                                • 21. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                                  Bill Hunt CommunityMVP
                                                  I've tried doing the same thing with DVD's that I have bought but they have VOB files which I can't import into PrPro.

                                                  If you have CS4.2, and the VOB's are 100% DVD-compliant (very important), then PrPro should be able to Import the VOB's fine. I recommend Copying the VOB's to the internal HDD's, and Importing from that there.

                                                   

                                                  Good luck,

                                                   

                                                  Hunt

                                                  • 22. Re: Trouble with Cross Fade Transition
                                                    hotphoto Community Member

                                                    Bill

                                                    Hey I never thought of that, I'll try it next time I need a clip.

                                                    It's just one of those things where you can insert your own person into the one camera going back and forth in a 2 person scene.

                                                    Thx Phil