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1. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Curt Y Jul 28, 2010 8:30 PM (in response to gerooster)See the discussion in this link. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/689255?tstart=0
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2. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
gerooster Jul 29, 2010 12:30 AM (in response to Curt Y)Thanks but tried all suggestions to no avail. My Preview was not set on embedded, but 'always high quality' Tried adding 'generate 100% preview' but didn't help.
Tried resetting default workspace & purging cache but still not updating files. Actually, it's my psd files that are not updating; the Raw files seem to have updated.
What should my cache settings be on?
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3. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Curt Y Jul 29, 2010 6:55 AM (in response to gerooster)Does this happen in all folders or just one? I believe the advicve I gave only applies to raw files. The others should reflect changes.
I would purge cache in tools/cache/purge cache for xxx folder. Then go into PS make same changes and see it changes are seen. Use the same folder for this test.
If this works you should purge cache for all folders.
I highly recommend you compact cache to get rid of all dead end thumbs in edit/pref/cache.
The cache setting depends on your wants. If you have a lot of images and the slider is set to left the thumbs of the older images will be overwritten. This means that when you visit that folder they will have to be rewritten. If you have it set to export cache to folders this does not apply.
Hope this helps.
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4. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Steverock58 Aug 28, 2010 6:45 PM (in response to gerooster)This has been a huge problem for me also. I tend to shoot events that see me with anything from 2,000 to 10,000 RAW images in a single directory which I then "edit" in ACR to create crops, white balance, and other edits in preparation for batch editing into JPEG images.
Not only does Bridge "forget", for want of a better word, the changes I've made, but in some cases it actually applies the settings from one image to all of the rest of the images during the batch conversion. Obviously this is not an ideal outcome. I have too often had to purge the enitre cache, not just the cache for that folder just to get Bridge to apply my recipe changes from ACR.
I did notice when I upgraded from CS3 where Bridge used to crash because it ran out of RAM (allegedly), that CS5 uses hardly any RAM and runs like a dog in comparison to CS3.
I am running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 on a Quad-core with 8gb of RAM and an nVidia GT8600. I have a 1TB boot drive and several RAID0 drives inside the box. The PS Cache is on a separate hard drive (single SATA) to the Windows installation.
As you can gather, batch running thousands of images only to find that your changes have either not been processed or incorrectly applied to a totally different image leaves me cold. If you can't trust your computer/workflow combination, then you have a problem. I did raise a bug report with Adobe and have had absolutely no response. That was two Bridge updates ago. I had hoped the updates might fix the problem, but apparently not.
My question is, has anybody had this problem and found a solution that didn't involve some dodgy, labor-intensive workaround?
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5. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
gerooster Aug 28, 2010 9:32 PM (in response to Steverock58)Your problem sounds more serious than mine is! I tend to just do initial white balance, exposure & noise reduction in ACR, & copy these settings to photos with similar settings, then go straight into Photoshop psd format. I am also running Windows 7. I only have 4gb RAM with a brand new i7 chip PC, so can't batch process too many files at once - will be adding another 4gb RAM very soon! Maybe CS5 can't handle batch processing hundreds of images at once.
I have found that once files have become psd format, or jpegs, the files do update - it's just the previews in Bridge that don't. This means I have to actually remember which images have since been updated, & what it was that was changed, or else open the files to check, because I can't tell by looking at an inaccurate preview. I think psd & jpeg files may be more stable - so suggest only do initial adjustments in ACR & convert to another format quickly before you lose the adjustments, if you can. I will also be very happy if someone solves your issues - they sound scary - hope they don't happen to me!
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6. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Steverock58 Aug 28, 2010 11:13 PM (in response to gerooster)You should be able to view the altered previews in Bridge. I can see those. The problem for me is even though I can see them, when
they go into Photoshop, that program doesn't see the changes... The standard answer around the place is to purge your cache and reset your preferences. That doesn't seem to be working though. Good luck with finding a solution. I didn't want to hijack your thread, just to show that you're not alone in having problems with Bridge not applying changes to files.
Batch-processing thousands of images shouldn't be a problem in CS5 because it wasn't in CS3. Creating droplets and batch running those via CMD line files is possible, but Adobe charge a good price for their software and I shouldn't have to make do with software that won't perform the same functions as the versions it replaces. It is their choice to make me upgrade to get a RAW plug-in for newer camera models, so they should get rid of the bugs so I can use it once I've paid for it.
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7. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Curt Y Aug 29, 2010 8:47 AM (in response to Steverock58)Are you using sidecar XMP or camera raw database? The database option some experts say is lunacy.
It using XMP click on "show hidden fies" in view and make sure they are being created. This is where all the edits are stored.
In preferences/metadat there is a box "supports XMP" not really sure what it does but to be on safe side check it.
If you move or rename files to another location make sure the xmp file travels with it.
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8. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Steverock58 Aug 29, 2010 3:14 PM (in response to Curt Y)I am using the xmp sidecar files. They all appear, but of course it's anybody's guess what each of them contain as you only ever see their effect in the preview. If I open the RAW file individually in Photoshop, it invariably opens correctly. It is the batch operation that is affected by this bug. Closing Bridge and re-opening will sometimes help. Purging the entire cache will also work. This has to be done EVERY time and in my opinion, this should not be necessary with a commercially released product. It wasn't necessary in CS3. It shouldn't be necessary in CS5.
Sometimes, selecting a large number of RAW files and opening them in ACR sees the program not actually opening all the files selected. It for some inexplicable reason misses random files from the selection.
CS3 used a lot more RAM (maxed out at about 1.6Gb on my machine). I don't think I've seen CS5 use more than about 400mb in the three months that I have been using it.
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9. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Curt Y Aug 29, 2010 7:30 PM (in response to Steverock58)I am using the xmp sidecar files. They all appear, but of course it's anybody's guess what each of them contain as you only ever see their effect in the preview.
The date (time) of the xmp file should match the edit time.
Also, I have concerns about 10,000 raw files in the same folder. One mistake in writing the cache and the whole folder could be contaminated.
When you are adding and editing images in a folder it is very important to let the folder finish indexing (spinning arrow in lower let corner) before doing any other steps, especially changing folders. CS3 was notorious for crashing or locking up.
The batch file error could be that the amount of data you are trying to batch is too much for the system. The disk can/t keep up some memory gets overloaded and a mistake is made in writing the data. Not a computer guru but just something to consider.
Bridge is much more of a processor intensive operation than Photosop. PS likes lots of RAM.
Don't remember what type of resources you have in computer.
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10. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Curt Y Aug 29, 2010 7:42 PM (in response to Steverock58)Look at this link http://forums.adobe.com/thread/705079?tstart=
It really does not have anything to do with your situation, but the OP is having problems with aero turning off due to load demands. He has a computer setup similar to you, with RAID drives. I know nothing about them, but that was brought up as a question. The OP has some dandy graphs of disk use which you might find interesting.
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11. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Steverock58 Aug 30, 2010 3:06 AM (in response to Curt Y)I am aware of the delay in writing the cache. It only took one stuffed-up rename to make sure I was aware of that in CS3 Bridge. I use many different camera bodies and have to sort the images into Date Created order to rename them. If Bridge hasn't finished reading all the EXIF data, the images will not be in the correct order and will rename out of order.
The xmp files are all created the first time I open the RAW files in ACR to do my edit. Prior to this, they don't exist, so if I see they exist, I don't need to check their creation date. This only changes if I am editing previously edited RAW files and I don't do that often. Once is usually enough when dealing with that many files.
There shouldn't be a problem with 10,000 RAW files as the cache is set to 50GB and Adobe shows this as 500,000 files. I know that is basically JPEG files. A corrupt cache is not the same thing as corrupt RAW files, and there are several copies of the RAW files anyway as a good back-up strategy requires.
Neither of my swap files/scratch pads are on RAID drives so I doubt this is the problem. I don't recall Bridge ever using more than 25% of the CPU Resources either. It's a 32-bit program anyway and probablky won't use all four cores of the Quad-core CPU...I might be wrong there, but I haven't noticed it doing so anyway.
My WPI figures were much higher when I was running a RAID0 Boot Disc, but one disc went belly-up and I decided against a RAID primary boot disc after that.
I'm sure that there are lots of people out there with lesser-spec'd computers who are not having the same problem. Equally, I'm sure that there are others out there with the same or similar problems. I'd like to hear from them about what they have done to eliminate the problem, or are we all doing work-arounds because Adobe haven't fixed a bug. I appreciate your attempts to help with this issue Curt, so don't feel that I'm simply dismissing your suggestions. I am hopeful though that someone who uses their system and CS5 in ways similar to me might have encountered and solved this issue.
Screen capture showing the Resource Monitor. Bridge going flat-out using only 7% of CPU and very little RAM. I have hardware rendering enabled.
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12. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
Luis cha Jul 14, 2011 6:34 AM (in response to gerooster)Check out below the search field, side to rating filtering, theres two icons like a tiny grid, make sure you have selected "always high quality" that solved the problem for me. see you around l
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13. Re: Previews in Bridge CS5 not updating with changes in Photoshop CS5
mgramma@lumc.edu Sep 10, 2011 11:58 AM (in response to Luis cha)Luis,
Thanks, Man. Your suggestion is what did it for me. For that kind of setting to be NOT found in the menu is absurd.
Mike



