I had the same problem, Adobe CS3 (or 4) is not capable of editing of Canon 5D HD footage!
Everytime the program crashed instantly....
I'm not going to waste my precious time and money on this software anymore!
today I have bought a eight core powermac with Final Cut Pro !
Adobe I want my money back! CS3 is NOT working as it should be!
By the way .....Pro's work with Mac's!
Thank you,I'm using Adobe software since a long time,
First Premiere 6.5, then CS2, and now CS3
My system is a brand new Pentium Quad Core with 8 Gig memory PC with onlyPremiere installed on it.I never had problems with editing before, till I changed to HD footage, A lot of other people on the forum are complaining about this same issue, so do they also have bad PC's ?I don't think so, I have installed my pc over and over again, everytime the same thingAdobe CS3 doesn't like the footage of the Canon 5D mark 2.... period.It's Adobe problem now, on my Arts Academy were I study
we are changing our workstations to Apple with FCP.Why? because Apple makes software that does the job, Premiere can't deliver whatit should do....good luck with trying to save your companies reputation, for me
Adobe has made a very big mistake with their upgrade policy and bad software.....
Adobe Encore can't even author DTS-HD files......Good luck!Best regards Maarten van Druten
I do not recall if it was during this thread, or another Canon 5D MK II thread, but Jeff Bellune was able to edit these files on CS4.1 on a PC, with no issues. Might want to look back, and also at other similar threads for Jeff's comments and possibly exactly how he did the editing with the test files provided.
Maarten, with all due respect, you're about 4 months late with the "no 5D2" support. I smoothly edit my 5D2 files with a simple conversion. Here's how:
- Open your 5D2 .mov file in Cineform's NeoScene. It's a $99 program, gripe if you want to, it works.
- With NeoScene, convert the 5D2 .mov file (which is 4:2:0) to an .AVI (it'll interpolate it to 4:2:2).
- Import your .AVI into Premiere and edit to your heart's content. Pretty straightforward. Use a 30fps HDV sequence. Works great.
Or use FCP and totally miss out on the seamless integration between Photoshop and Soundbooth and After Effects and Encore and Audition and Media Encoder and Fla.... shall I go on?
And you may write back and say that forums are griping that NeoScene messes up the audio so you have to re-time it, but that's been fixed as of August 12th. Your PC shouldn't crash, that's not an Adobe issue. If you do stay on Windows, get Windows 7, I can't stress that enough.
Hope this helps.
By the way It's Maarten (not Martin)I'm not going to pay another 99 euro's for another program only so I finally can edit HD footage in CS3.Adobe is NOT capable to make a software program now that works with HD footage, period.I rather pay 4000 dollars for a solution that really works without all the conversion rubbishTime is money.....Best regards,
the first feature-length film shot entirely on a DSLR camera.
Welcome in the new age of photographing or is it movie making?
By the way I'm also a professional photographer
Adobe is NOT capable to make a software program now that works with HD footage, period.
Another nonsense remark. A two year old program may not support all the latest codecs, but 4.1 does. HDV, AVCHD, P2, XDCAM, Red, in short all the common HD VIDEO camera's. That is does not support your still camera that came out after CS3 was introduced shows you are not realistic.
Hope you have a fat wallet when you go FCP/MAC, because MAC's are like hookers, they look sexy, they are pricey but not better. And $ 4K is not enough...
I forgot when does Adobe Encore finally can author DTS-HD files?
Though probably a subject best posted to the Encore forum, what is the issue that you are having with DTS audio in Encore.
First, you must remember that neither the DVD, nor the BD specs allow for DTS as a primary Audio stream. It can be used as a supplemental Audio stream only. I use it all of the time, with no issues, but use it as a supplementary Audio stream. Depending on what you are trying to do, this might be something that you'll need to take up with the various organizations that wrote the DVD and BD specs.
Can you not use DTS as a supplemental Audio stream? Have you tried with CPT files from the DTS encoder? What happens?
That right, the Canon 5D mark 2 came out after CS3, but were the free update patch?
Were is the professional service?
A lot of people already have paid a lot of money for the CS3 bundle, but it still doesn't do the job right....
Now we have CS4 and it still can't edit h264 mov files without problems!
I'm a student of a Art Academy Apple gives discount for students, believe me 4000 euro is enough
and I like expensive hookers, so long the do their job right
"Normal" DTS files work in encore but not the DTS-HD encoded files....
Because DTS-HD is optional doesn't mean that Adobe shouldn't have to support it in their software!
DTS-HD is one of the best and frequently used audio codec so why not support it?
Once again Adobe seems to think what is good enough for us customers, instead of listening to
what we really want.....
If you'd rather spend $4000 instead of $99, then the argument is over. Do what's best for you.
Also, I submitted my comment with your name spelled wrong, then immediately fixed it roughly 30 seconds later. Sorry I offended you.
I would say that seeing your interest is just complaining and not about what Adobe offers, continuing to post on this thread is pointless, you should go channel your energy into the solution you prefer.
I'm coming in to this late, so forgive if the topic has been covered.
Has anyone tried batch converting their 5D files to Lagarith for use in Premiere (using the MPEG hacked version of VirtualDub)? It works fine for DV. I don't see any immediate theoretical reason it shouldn't also work in this case. But I have neither the media nor the interest to test it out myself.
Thanks Hunt. It's good info, but surprisingly LATE in the game. We all went through the "how do we do this" headache many months ago. But, duh, I just realized that people are still buying these things and THEY haven't lived through Headache 2009, so this is a good post if your an FCP user. He doesn't offer much by way of us PC users, but I guess I'll have to check out the freeware converter he talks about, although it's going to be hard-pressed to beat the $99 NeoScene by Cineform. My editing problems are GONE because of that utility. True, I end up with humungous AVIs to edit (turns 1GB 5D2 raw file into 2.5gb AVI), but disk space is cheap, and you can always delete the AVIs when the project is mastered. BTW, I actually disagree with his statement that the file format should be kept in QT format, the AVIs work fine and are the preferred format for Windows. Having said that, I find that on Windows 7 it doesn't matter. I can open raw H.264 QT-format raw 5D2 video clips and play them smoothly in QT or WMP, so I guess he's half right. As soon as we can convince the world how antiquated, slow and downright KLUNKY XP is and get them switched over to 7, life gets a tad easier.
Hey, but what are we worried about?? CS5 and a GTX285 will put that whole problem to rest for PC users, right??? lol! It'd better! But since I worked out my workflow with NeoScene, I honestly forgot that I ever had editing issues.
BTW, OT: what happened to the Wine Snob nickname? We all got used to that!
I had not poured though the article, but just hit some of its high-points. Looked like a good bit of info.
Have you though about doing an article outlining your use of NeoScene and the Canon 5D/7D material? If you do, let me know and we can get it up in the PrE Tips & Tricks sub-forum, so that it can easily be linked for others. If you do the article, I'll get it posted to the Adobe forum.
As for the_wine_snob, well he just disappeared one day. I had a sudden issue with e-mail notification, after I tried to help someone on the Forum Comments forum. Boom! Suddenly, I was getting e-mail notification for everything posted to any of the Premiere, Photoshop and Encore fora - every post, though I had e-mail notification turned OFF for everything. After about 2000 e-mails, they stopped as suddenly, and I had become Bill Hunt. Going back to the beginning of the Adobe fora on HTTP, I was BILL HUNT, and then with the big forum changeover, I became the_wine_snob, a screen name from the distant past, that had never been used. I could not change to either BILL HUNT, or Bill Hunt, as those screen names were taken. I stopped trying, and then after that e-mail deluge, I was automatically now Bill Hunt. Why/how? I have no clue, but the e-mails stopped, so I am just rolling with the punches. Some days, the Adobe forum thinks I am WAHunt3, but I just log-out/log-in and all is cool. I just hope that WAHunt3 is not out robbing banks, or something bad. He seems to come and go, so I just ignore him.
PS - let me know about that article, as it might well help many others.
Wow, Hunt, that is some wild email/account/login mania! It'd be interesting
if we could see what's happening under the hood... maybe feed the hamster so
he doesn’t slow down on the belt, lol!
Sure, I can put something like that together. I bet if I bring up my posts I
can copy and paste it together then polish it up. For newcomers to the DSLR
video invasion (you know, the one where everyone is an overnight video
editor/specialist?), it'd probably be helpful to have a "here's the real
story" post to save them a lot of grief, and the forum a lot of redundant
questions. We're in the midst of preparing for an upcoming move in 8 weeks
to Scottsdale, AZ, but I think I can squeeze it in. BTW, did I see you
mention that you're in the Scottsdale area also? I work as a software
developer for a semiconductor manufacturer and they are closing the
Cincinnati plant and offered me a relo to our Corporate HQ in North Phoenix.
Naturally we jumped at that offer! As my wife and I approach 50, we'll take
BTW, my email address is firstname.lastname@example.org if you need to easily reply.
Paul DeCesare (I go by "Paulie"... it's an east Coast thing, although I
don't admit to everyone that I grew up there, trying to forget that part,
Whatever you can put together would be helpful. Just let me know and we'll decide how to best handle getting it up in a post with some staying power.
As for Scottsdale, yes, I am in north Phoenix, about 12 miles due north of the city center, just above the Tapatio Cliffs at the North Mountain Preserve and the Pointe Lookout Mountain Golf Course. Scottsdale officially begins about 60 blocks to the east of me.
Real estate is a good point to buy, or to rent. Both PHX Metro and Clark County, NV, had their boom continue longer than most other areas of the country, but then when the bubble burst, we were hit hard. We I sitting on a lot of liquid assets, I'd be buying selected properties, in hopes that things got back on track. My neighbor's home (about 4 years old) was originally listed for $3.2M and sold for $900K. Had I known how low it had gone, I'd probably have bought it, moved across the street and then completely rebuild my home. There are a lot of real deals out here now.
Summers can be a bit rough, but with a good misting system, a pool, and some common sense, they can be managed. I promised my wife that I would never complain about the heat, when we moved down from Colorado, and except for one Autumn, when the heat just did not let up, like normal, I have been true to my word. Right now, we have beautiful dark blue AZ skies, highs in the lower 70's and cool enough at night to grab a sweater and a vest (at least on our lower, north-facing patio. Even with the Summers, I can golf 365 days per year, though in July/August, I do seek out more traditional course with lots of shade! Don't forget to drink about 3x the water that you are used to.
Good luck, and I think that you will really enjoy AZ. I was surprised at how lovely it is here, though will admit missing CO for many reasons.
Hunt, GREAT info, this is always a help when moving to a new place. Thanks!
While we have been in Cincinnati for the past 5 years, we came from Oregon
(talk about culture shock) and miss the beauty of mountains and vastness. We
know the SW is different from the NW, but it's got incredible beauty (Sedona
is amazing!), and we can't wait. The midwest is old and flat and cramped and
humid... we're DONE with that!
And you reminded me of something: "I can golf 365 days per year".
I have put together a useful guide to those just starting to use the Canon 5d for cinematography, whom also use Adobe Premiere for editing. I think you'll find this will save you alot of time from searching for all of this stuff.
Rich, thanks for doing this article. It nicely summarizes in a "one-stop shopping" list all of the things I have researched and pulled my hair out over since the Fall of 2008 when this insane camera was announced (and I got it line to get one). I'm glad you showed NeoScene as THE conversion tool for editing, I can't seem to get that one through some people's heads on other forums... and yet they keep struggling.
BTW, the one area I see completely opposite in your list is audio. I agree that if you want the 5D2 to record audio, you need Magic Lantern and JuicedLink. But being a long-time audio guy, I can't digest the 5D2 audio regardless of the converter device, it's S/N is so-so, headroom is limited and since the camera has to churn out video it would seem that the best solution is to NOT record audio on it. So my question to you is, why not record audio separately on something like a Zoom H4N which does 24-bit audio? It has XLR inputs and Phantom power, excellent device. I'm asking that to really know the answer, because I'm missing something somewhere. To me, having the audio bed as a constant then fitting the video is a great solution. If the videographer misses the button and doesn't get the first few words, etc, the audio is still consistent, and you can always patch up the video with a B-roll clip of audience, etc, depending on what you're shooting. Anyway, just curious what the drawback of separate audio is... thanks!
Great to hear the POV of a professional audio engineer! I should update the guide to include a sync-sound system. The only real downside to using this method is having to sync up in post. But in most cases it's worth it. But for a one-man-band like me, it bogs down the workflow tremendously.
I guess I based by decision off the sound quality from the experiments done here: http://www.canon5dtips.com/2009/08/canon-5d-mark-ii-audio-exposed-video-review/. It seems the JuicedLink is a great option, allowing direct recording to the camera without having to sync later.
I think the Juiced Link option doesn't compare to using pro audio gear in a sync sound workflow...but we can say the same thing for high-end video cameras too. I use an HVX200 with audio recording via the cam's XLR inputs all the time, because it's an accepted workflow in most video production. If I was using it decked out with a lens adapter and stuff for use in a feature film...I would hire an audio engineer to record audio seperately in the field with the appropriate mixer, etc. But people still use the camera's inputs all the time.
So I guess it comes down to what one is using the camera for.
Yeah, I did watch those same comparisons on Vimeo several months back, but you found them embedded in a great website! I haven't been there before (Canon5DTips).
Well, to keep workflow simple, I can definitely see the advantage to having your audio embedded. Plus you're probably a whole lot more proficient at getting footage, I'm still a total noob there (been doing still photography for years, Photoshop for years, Premiere for 1½ years, and ENG run-n-gun shooting where I can for the last year, SO much to inhale!). So I find that having the full audio bed is a crutch to my quirky footage, but it's getting there... slowly!
Anyway, that answers my question which I appreciate. Looks like the recording method is totally A or B, whatever fits the DP's workflow. It is a pain having to toggle two systems when shooting alone, I grant you that. For what I do I often at our church I have the luxury of getting the WAV file from the soundboard, but I'll still pop my Rode VideoMic on the 5D2 to at least get decent audio so I can match the waveform to the good audio file in Premiere (I often forget to clap or something at the start of the shoot).
Thanks for the insight Rich! Much appreciated!
PS: I've posted this in other places, but I've attached a screenshot of EQ settings from Soundbooth that can be used in the event that you get stuck with onboard sound from the built-in mic (it may happen at some point, hopefully not too often!). Send the audio to Soundbooth, then open the EQ and set it to 30-band, and this should help salvage the sound. You may want to roll off a bit more of the bottom end if your dealing with a male voice in an enclosed room, etc, to cut a little more boominess (and any lens noise).
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No , but you can easily do it by using the cheap Premiere Elements 4, place the H.264 MOV clips, 4GB at a time into the timeline>render> export to movie>Save to Premiere Pro, it comes in as a Cineform avi file or Microsoft aiv., make uncompressed,at Pre-determined Project setting> render if you must> edit should be fast> Export to Tape in HDV or save as m2t file , Import in Elements and Export to Blu-ray if you wish , you could edit in Premiere Elements but, Premiere Pro 1.5.1 leaves it for dead. CS 4 or CS5 should work , but, CS5 should work without all the messing around.You will need an Adobe System requirements computer ?
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Ps Obviously Quicktime Version 7.6.8 should be installed so that you can use the H.264 MOV files ?
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It's funny Bob, this thread began before CS5 was officially released... and now we see what it can do there's really no reason to clutch to previous versions. I have to be totally honest, I sometimes want to holler out "LOOK, CS5 is light years ahead with that MPE, just invest in it and an i7 rig with a boatload of ram a $300 GTX 470 and you won't have any problems!!". I do understand that people are on budgets, I really do, but to be honest, high-end video editing is not for the budget constrained, that's all there is to it. I may not make friends saying that, but it's true... you can't nickel-and-dime-and-freeware if you want pro results. Folks need to start out with a consumer HD cam and Premiere Elements if they have a budget under $500, and just use that to learn editing at a basic level, there's a lot you can learn in that environment. But I see on other forums that people are actually appalled that we tell 'em they need more than one hard drive or that their Compaq Presario with integrated graphics is not going to cut it. It's the same in photography, people balk at my $1500 16-35mm lens and say "I can get an 18-200mm for 150 bucks!"... yeah, and the images look like it to. I dunno, guess I'm just rambling, I just think people who want to do this should get serious and make a commitment with time and money. I'm just sayin'...
Hi Pauline DC,
Somhow this original problem ended up in my e-mail and I thought it had been solved long ago. Mind you, I have been very ill and just recovering, just as well I thought it was the 21 century and CS5 had not solved the issue.
In any case we have run the curse of H.264 mov files from the lovely Canon 5D Mark II and have had few problems using Adobe Premiere Elements 4 and Premiere Pro 1.5.1, for 5 years just happened to be in the old Pentium 4 3.2GHS with Raid and hyper-threading and it used to handle this stuff with some sort of difficulty,.have done it seems 100's Export to Tape and now Blu-ray where will it all end , I used to run 35mm in the old days and sometimes you wonder where all the quality has gone, some photographers can't even focus on an elephant using auto focus, well I am rambling now .
Now have the latest T5500 Workstation Quad Core I7 64 bit and everything sings along, will go to CS5 when the patches etc settle down but, honestly the old software still does the job it has been revived wish it could do the same for me,..Oh,' the Nvidia Quadro FX3800 does work quite well..........
Enjoy the winter over there,, from down under>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We are basically still photographers from the Hasselblad era, Medium Format which seems to be equalled by the Canon 5D mark II, have gone from S-Vhs Panasonics, Sony Digital, Panasonic 3CCD's SD Widescreen 16:9, Canon EX 1-Hi 8,,to Canon HDV HV20/
30/40 , and now Canon 5 D mark II, 35 mm CMOS and all the lens's, what a great time to live !
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This was in reply to Fabrzio _Rizzo,I did not read the rest of the info, nor did I read the date , as though I had gone to sleep for two years ?
Of course we now mainly use High Definition
You're right Bob, it sure is a good time to be an image making artist! And my reply was really just chatting about many threads, not so much this one... I just noticed the old dates too! Catches me off guard, because you get the email as if it's a live thread. I often marvel at replies I wrote that I don't even remember writing, lol!
Hope you recover well...
No, except for time and extra bulk on your hard drive. A three-minute music video will work fine, it'll only take 3-10 minutes to render. The problem is if you are rendering a 90-minute production on a time schedule. A potential 5-hour render is possible, so that's where having the Mercury Playback Engine and a good CUDA card becomes an advantage, no rendering. You can cut your project in real time. Then transcoding for output becomes your only long task, perfect for the midnight to 7am slot when you're snoozing.
I find the job is actually quite quick, you create the offline clips using Super, bring in all the mov files and set them to offline... edit, unlink them, add your color correction and render it all out... once rendered just minor tweaks which don't matter as its all green line rendered.... of course I do all my interview footage on teh ex3 and all the pick ups on the 5d which makes it alot easier with no rendering on the interview stuff.... but the offline edit means you arn't editing over the top online files.... i was just more interested in what adobe does render the mov files to ... are they avi? just thinking if there is any qaulity loss?