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1. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
Bill Hunt Jun 23, 2010 9:10 AM (in response to claudioparoli)Claudio,
I've Imported 2 hr. SD (DV-AVI Type II's), and never had an issue with the Clip's Duration. Now, you are talking HD here, but I think that it's more an issue with the source footage, and your system/setup, than with Duration.
As I do not use XDCAM footage, others will need to help you address any issues there.
One other bit of info, that might be useful will be your I/O sub-system, i.e. your HDD's, their size, speed, controller type, free space and how they are allocated. I/O is very instrumental in playback, and other editing aspects.
Good luck,
Hunt
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2. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
John T Smith Jun 23, 2010 9:49 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Followup to Bill... only 2 drives for HD might be a bit light duty
Read Harm on drive setup http://forums.adobe.com/thread/662972?tstart=0
Also... importing but not showing MAY mean a mis-match between your project settings and the actual video
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3. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
Jeff.Goin Jun 23, 2010 12:44 PM (in response to claudioparoli)Claudio,
I've found that cs4 chokes with either really long HD clips or too many of them (thousands).
Consider using HDV Split to capture them. It creates separate files every time it detects a scene change.
Jeff G.
FootFlyer.com
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4. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 23, 2010 4:51 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Thanks Bill, helpful as usual. Is an FX1700 not enough for HD in your experience?
claudio
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5. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 23, 2010 5:48 PM (in response to John T Smith)Thanks for your comments John. Don't you thing though that if the HDD setup were the problem there'd be delays, stutter and so on but SOME play... I can't get a picture at all, although I can get sound off the timeline, and I can't even get the clip into the source monitor. I'm no expert at all as you guys might've guessed (I'm actually a journalist who shoots and edits), but a mismatch seems the more likely reason. Premiere identifies the clips as MP4s off an XDCAM EX3 camera, 1930x1080, F/R 25 progressive and so I picked the XDCAM EX3 preset 1080pHQ for the sequence. Here's the Mediainfo report on one of the clips that make up the long clip:
General
Complete name : F:\footage\sicilstories\BPAV\CLPR\frm-0255_09\frm-0255_09.MP4 Format : MPEG-4 Format_Commercial_IfAny : XDCAM EX 35 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 File size : 3.47 GiB Duration : 13mn 38s Overall bit rate : 36.5 Mbps Encoded date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 Tagged date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 Video
ID : 1 Format : MPEG Video Format_Commercial_IfAny : XDCAM EX 35 Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@High Format settings, BVOP : Yes Format settings, Matrix : Default Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12 Codec ID : 61 Duration : 480ms Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 35.0 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 25.000 fps Standard : Component Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.675 Stream size : 3.33 GiB (96%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 Tagged date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 Audio
ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings, Endianness : Big Format settings, Sign : Signed Codec ID : twos Duration : 13mn 38s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 150 MiB (4%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 Tagged date : UTC 2010-06-21 02:18:07 I cannot see where they differ... Are there any other settings, apart from sequence settings, that may affect clip behaviour?
Next I'll follow up on another suggestion and split up the clip... stay tuned... and thanks again
claudio
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6. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
JSS1138 Jun 24, 2010 12:10 AM (in response to claudioparoli)Can anyone come up with some explanation?
My first thought is that you're simply not waiting for Indexing and Conforming to finish.
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7. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 24, 2010 1:26 AM (in response to JSS1138)Thanks, Jim, I actually made a point of waiting for the process to finish. Then whenever I tried to access any clips Premiere froze. I've tried using a very short clip recoreded (by mistake) during the same session and there's no problem in viewing, playing etc. So the size of the clip - perhaps combined with the limitations of my hardware - may be the problem.
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8. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 24, 2010 1:28 AM (in response to Jeff.Goin)Thanks Jeff, I'll try splitting the clips next.
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9. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
RDA972 Jun 24, 2010 11:12 AM (in response to claudioparoli)For what it is worth, I have just imported a file shot on my Sony PMW-350K which is about 3 hours and 30 minutes long.
The picture is fine but as mentioned in past posts the original 4 channel audio tuns into 2 channel gibberish.
The solution so far has been to convert those troublesome files into MXF files.
I understand a fix is forthcoming but in the meantime I suggest you convert your long files into MXF files using Sony's Clip Browser and proceed from there.
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10. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 27, 2010 11:52 PM (in response to RDA972)Thanks Robert, I've tried the conversion to MXF through Sony Clip Browser and it did work, with the two stereo audio channels becoming 4 mono channels. However this does defies the purpose of using a tapeless format, as the conversion takes longer than acquisition ex tape would have...
I wonder whether anyone from Adobe wants to chip in?
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11. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
RDA972 Jun 28, 2010 5:52 AM (in response to claudioparoli)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}claudioparoli wrote:
However this does defies the purpose of using a tapeless format, as the conversion takes longer than acquisition ex tape would have...
Something must be wrong. I converted the 3-hour 30-minute long clip in just 12 minutes using the latest vesion of Clip Browse, which is vesion 2.6.Are you using the latest version as well?
If not, I strongly suggest you do as it is significantly faster than previous versions in terms of converting XDCAM EX files into MXF files.
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12. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
claudioparoli Jun 29, 2010 7:09 PM (in response to RDA972)Thanks Robert, obviously THERE IS something wrong, it took much longer. I'm
actually using v2.6. As soon as I can I'll try using different HHD's (still
internal, SATA 2) to do the conversion, as I had to use read and write on
the same hard disk. I can't think of anything else, given the hardware
that's adequate rather than ideal, i7 920/12GB RAM/FX1700 and no RAID.
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13. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
RDA972 Jun 29, 2010 7:39 PM (in response to claudioparoli)Definitely use SATA 2 drives for the conversion.
Good luck, as Bill would say.
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14. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
Bill Hunt Jun 29, 2010 7:44 PM (in response to RDA972)Good luck, as Bill would say.
Back when I played competitive tennis, I'd always start each match with "good luck, and play well," to my opponents. At some tournament, my competitor approached my team-mates and said, "you know, I think that he actually means that." I did. I wanted each to play their best, get as many lucky breaks as I got, and then beat the heck out of them. Same with golf. I do not want to beat people having a bad day. I want to beat them on their best day.
Hunt
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15. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
Scadge Productions Oct 27, 2010 7:45 AM (in response to claudioparoli)I'm having exactly the same problem. I've got EX3 1080P footage from an event which took 2 hours so ended up with a file split across 10 extents. And I've tried everything I can think of for nearly 3 days to try and get Premiere CS4 to read the file, including getting Sony EX3 clip browser to render out an MXF file which still didn't play properly on the timeline.
Finally I downloaded the trial version of Sony Vegas Pro 10 which read the files perfectly happily, played them in the timeline and rendered them out no problem.
After investing in Adobe products for 6 years I've finally decided that the only product worth having is After Effects. I'm going to ditch the rest.
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16. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
RDA972 Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM (in response to Scadge Productions)Why don't you give CS5 a shot?
It now plays back beautifully all the different flavors of XDCAM EX including the files from the Sony PMW- 350/320 cameras.
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17. Re: Does Premiere dislike VERY long clips?
Scadge Productions Oct 28, 2010 1:32 AM (in response to RDA972)Yes, that old motto of the software development world "It's in the next release..." - I'll take it if it's free...



