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    Improve Footnotes Please

    Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

      I'm sure this is coming up all the time - but news from every site I read is that Footnotes is once again untouched or improved, they are still the same since CS2.

       

      Please please improve this feature. The most important one for me is to allow footnotes to span the width of a text frame, and not just the column widht, when working in a 2 column or more layout.

       

      You only have to search this forum for footnotes to see all the great ideas and features that should be added to footnotes.

       

      http://forums.adobe.com/search.jspa?communityID=3274&resultTypes=MESSAGE&q=footnotes

       

       


      And if you really want them improved please report it in the wishform here

      https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

       

       

      Thanks for your support

        • 1. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
          [Jongware] Most Valuable Participant

          Yay!! Come on, everyone, support the Improve Footnotes Rally 2010!! (Following the Improve Footnotes Rally 2005 (CS2), the Improve Footnotes Rally 2007 (CS3) and the Improve Footnotes Rally 2008 (CS4).)

           

          Necessary improvements for me are be the ability to set numbering and numbering style per footnote, rather than per page/section/document (for Numbering) and not at all (Numbering Style).

          It would also help if they comply to Text Wrap, and if you finally could have footnotes in tables as well -- remember, when you import text from Word, footnotes in tables are silently "converted" to end notes, totally throwing off the numbering. (While we're on the subject: it's not just footnotes that don't get imported correctly; end notes also are imported very badly...)

           

          (And none of that cr*p of "well I don't need footnotes because I do everything in flash. TIA.)

           

          Here is that link again: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform. Click it, fill in the form, and Add Your Vote. It's long past due -- it's overdue.

          • 2. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

            By all means fill out the form. And add concrete examples of how any changes to behavior will be of benefit. Requests with demonstrated workflow benefits carry a lot more weight than "wouldn't if be nice if..."

            • 3. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
              [Jongware] Most Valuable Participant

              Whenever I'm requested to set footnotes in a book, I run into problems virtually right from the start. Some of my books require a star footnote with author details on the first page per chapter, followed by regular notes -- starting at "1". This already needs one or two dirty tricks -- that's where the "numbering per footnote" comes in.

              Yet even more tricks are needed to fake notes inside tables -- sometimes bordering on the idiotic, such as having to conceal the "real" footnotes in 0.1 pt invisible text somewhere in the middle of a paragraph.

               

              Adobe has this uplifting message when you post a Feature Request:

               

              "Thanks for your feedback! Requests and suggestions from our customers are what help us to continue creating cutting-edge, world-class software."

              -- it's about time they live up to that.

              • 4. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                peter minneapolis Level 4

                P Spier wrote:

                 

                By all means fill out the form. And add concrete examples of how any changes to behavior will be of benefit. Requests with demonstrated workflow benefits carry a lot more weight than "wouldn't if be nice if..."

                Also wish for the ability of cross-references and text variables to capture paragraph autonumbers. Even if no table footnotes are implemented, if autonumbers could be captured by cross-references, it would be possible to simulate table footnotes. They wouldn't be as simple to create as inserting a footnote into main text, but not much extra effort is necessary, and they would work as you'd expect.

                 

                 

                HTH

                 

                Regards,

                 

                Peter

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                • 5. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                  Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  As interesting an idea as including paragraph numbering for variables, I fully support it, but it's nothing to do with footnotes. If you want to start your campaign in that area I'll gladly support it. I have 3 books over 500 pages each that require auto numbering and the lead paragaph on each page to include the paragraph number in the running head variable.

                   

                   

                  As for everyone else - great ideas for the footnotes. I support all of them. Especially the ability to include a footnote within a table. I have to insert a footnote outside the table and change the colour to NONE and make a new paragraph style for this footnote number so that there is no extra space around the table. But when it comes to updating the fake footnote in the table, that is very manual. And if you have 100 tables with a 100 footnotes in there it's very tedious to keep updating.

                  • 6. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                    peter minneapolis Level 4

                    Eugene Tyson wrote:

                     

                    As interesting an idea as including paragraph numbering for variables, I fully support it, but it's nothing to do with footnotes. If you want to start your campaign in that area I'll gladly support it. I have 3 books over 500 pages each that require auto numbering and the lead paragaph on each page to include the paragraph number in the running head variable.

                     

                     

                    As for everyone else - great ideas for the footnotes. I support all of them. Especially the ability to include a footnote within a table. I have to insert a footnote outside the table and change the colour to NONE and make a new paragraph style for this footnote number so that there is no extra space around the table. But when it comes to updating the fake footnote in the table, that is very manual. And if you have 100 tables with a 100 footnotes in there it's very tedious to keep updating.

                    Hi, Eugene:

                     

                    I mentioned paragraph numbering for variables because it could be a beneficial side effect of making paragraph autonumbers accessible by cross-references. I assume that paragraph autonumbering is the problem that needs to be fixed, rather than the cross-reference or variable mechanisms.

                     

                    If cross-references could capture paragraph autonumbers, then cross-reference based fake table footnotes would update without manual attention.

                     

                     

                    HTH

                     

                    Regards,

                     

                    Peter

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                    • 7. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                      Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Yeh I guess it could be a way. But I don't know why they just don't have the option to "Span columns" "Don't Span Columns"

                      • 8. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                        Claudio González Most Valuable Participant

                        This may help to understand how and why requests about footnotes got ignored:

                         

                        http://indesignsecrets.com/michael-ninness-answers-indesign-cs5-critics.php

                        • 9. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                          Eugene Tyson Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Thanks - I've read that and replied with discontent.

                          • 10. Re: Improve Footnotes Please
                            jutaipeter Level 1

                            This explanation is ridiculous and simple balderdash. If a software is designed to creat books with it, it HAS TO deal with footnotes. I have typeset and edited and translated many books written by historians, university students in various fields, musicians, classical philologists, linguists, etc. I can't recall if I have ever typeset a book that had no footnotes - of course I don't mean belles-lettres. Footnotes are essential in scientific (and in not so scientific, but thorough) writing, be it a book or a periodical. I want to get rid of InDesign, but I cannot, because LaTex is difficult and hard to handle, and Quark has less features (if I am right -- but I have to admit that I have never seen the latter one). If anyone could recommend me another good typesetting software, I would switch to it immediately. But there is no other.

                             

                            Péter Jutai