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    Lightroom and Linux

    Pascal O

      I know that this has already been asked... But I cannot start to understand why Adobe seems to dismiss Linux users this way. I've read some comments about Linux on this forum and please be honest. Linux is not for hacker only, Linux users do not expect free (as in free beer) software only. Many are ready to pay for GOOD software and Lightroom definitly fall into this category.

       

      I've tried Lightroom on a VirtualBox, it is too slow to be usable!

       

      I'm really looking forward for a native linux port. This OS is so much better than Windows (no I'm not a troll, for example the file system is lot faster and you have far more chance to get a virus) that we have all to win here.

       

      Can we hope? There is a port of Lightroom under MacOS which has a BSD kernel not too far from a Linux one. The hard work is done on this side. I cannot speak for the GUI though...

       

      I'm ready to pay today a Lighroom on Linux with a price tag 50% more expensive than the Windows one. I mean it!

       

      Please if you want a Linux port, post a message maybe Adobe will listen!

       

      Pascal.

        • 1. Re: Lightroom and Linux
          dj_paige Level 9

          I know that this has already been asked... But I cannot start to understand why Adobe seems to dismiss Linux users this way. I've read some comments about Linux on this forum and please be honest. Linux is not for hacker only, Linux users do not expect free (as in free beer) software only. Many are ready to pay for GOOD software and Lightroom definitly fall into this category.

           

          Perhaps those aren't the reasons why Lightroom doesn't exist on Linux. Perhaps it has nothing to do with hackers, or dismissing Linux users.

           

          Perhaps there aren't enough users of Lightroom on Linux to make it worth Adobe's time and effort ... you can say "Many" but do you really know for usre?

          • 2. Re: Lightroom and Linux
            JimHess-OxQsWQ Level 2

            I don't work for Adobe.  In fact, they probably don't even know I exist.  The fact that Lightroom runs slow in a Virtual Box might not be a Linux problem at all.  Lightroom just might be slow on your computer for other reasons.  Yes, I know, you probably have a killer computer.  But others who have high end computers are having performance problems with Lightroom, some of them very severe.  And it doesn't seem to be something that is associated with a particular operating system.  Both Windows and Mac users, different operating systems, are complaining about the performance issue.  I have two similar Windows computers, and on one of them Lightroom performs extremely well.  The other one really struggles in Lightroom.  And as far as Lightroom for Linux is concerned, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.  No knowledge of anything, just my opinion.

            • 3. Re: Lightroom and Linux
              Pascal O Level 1

              Right I won't say many... I don't know! What I know is that it is an egg-chicken problem. There is no many gamers on Linux because there is no game, there is no many photographers on Linux because there is no decent photograph oriented application on Linux. That's the problem in fact (otherwise I won't be posting there), Linux has many good applications except for handling pictures!

              • 4. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                Pascal O Level 1

                Well Lightroom was running fine on this very computer on Windows. But sure VirtualBox could introduce some new problems...

                • 5. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                  Lee Jay-ZyZk56 Level 4

                  They already support 5 versions of Windows (at least) and 2 versions of Mac OS.  There are many versions of Linux.  Which one would they support if they were ever to support any?  I suspect the most likely answer to that question wouldn't be whatever you are using, and it might even be "Android".

                  • 6. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                    clvrmnky Level 4

                    OS X kernel is not even the slightest bit a BSD kernel. OS X is basically the NeXt kernel. You might be thinking of the BSD subsystem, which provides basic POSIX compatibility.  At any rate, targeting a GUI app on OS X has nothing to do with POSIX or BSD, because you are targeting OS X APIs, which are very much their own thing.

                     

                    A Linux port would be a completely different animal, with all the attendant costs and problems associated with a separate port.

                     

                    Now, a good chunk of the UI is a modified Lua VM, so some of that work might not have to be duplicated, but this is really besides the point. One of the main reasons you don't see a lot of commercial ports for Linux is that, well, there isn't a single Linux to target. There are very specific challenges necessary to solve to make your app work in a reasonable fashion across all or most common distributions. You either make it behave and look like every other ugly X11 app, or you target a specific toolkit that you now depend on.

                     

                    Not to mention additional QA, R&D costs, &etc.

                     

                    Take the problems you are seeing here in these forums and multiply them by some factor, because running Linux does not automatically solve all problems. It just creates a different set of problems.

                     

                    Add to this that the reason Linux is so successful is because it offers a free operating environment, with free tools, for everyone. This is great, except that few Linux users would be willing to pay $300 for an application. Not when many will convince themselves that they can cobble together a solution that uses F-Spot and Rawstudio and Gimp that works just fine. It isn't that Linux users are cheap; it's that the standard operating philosophy is to make do with what you have, for free. And this is a fine and noble thing. You are in the minority if you want to pay for Lr as a Linux user.

                     

                    And let's face it: most strong open-source fans hate Adobe, because of how things like Flash are perceived. I hear expressions of this hatred daily.

                     

                    It really doesn't make any business sense to target Linux, at least at this juncture. It is a hostile, high risk and high cost endeavour with very little proven benefit.  Bad fit all around.

                    • 7. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                      CatOne Level 1

                      Whether the OS X kernel is BSD is really immaterial.  The kernel isn't really important as the compiler abstracts that completely.

                       

                      Linux doesn't have Mac OS X's Cocoa APIs (or the Objective-C language!), nor does it have Windows' libraries.  It would be a fairly difficult port.

                       

                      Couple this with the extreme fragmentation of Linux and the fact that it's nearly impossible to ship a closed-source product (because there are 100+ targets), and you're pretty much SOL.  There can't be a "Linux version," but rather you'd have to target a number of specific distros with a number of GCC versions, each with as much support requirements as a the entire Windows or Linux version.

                       

                      Maybe if Linux would work properly with closed source binary distributions it would have a chance... but unfortunately that's ideologically impossible.

                      • 8. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                        swyost Level 1

                        I really don't mean this to sound obnoxious, but your own posts answer why it doesn't exist and almost certainly will not happen.  There is not a viable market to support development.  Adobe is a commercial operation and does need to make money - fact of life in this world.  I must admit, your post more readily raises to me why someone would say they have the right operating system for their needs if it lacks application(s) they need.  I have nothing against Linux (or Linux users) and I like some of the current implementations, but if you need to use certain types of software that are going to have to come from the commercial world, the user is volunteering to run into a brick wall they should already see.  

                         

                        Stephen

                        • 9. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                          Pascal O Level 1

                          Sorry but what you are saying is just plain wrong.

                           

                          All low level part of MacOS are derevied from FreeBSD and what you call the "NeXt kernel" is plain non sense. NeXt was a GUI. The kernel in MacOS-X is actually derived from the Mach micro-kernel.

                           

                          Ok for QA and R&D costs...But a software well designed won't be that hard to maintain on multiple platforms. And softwares tested on many platforms is more likely to be of good quality (some bugs are more visible on some platforms, like memory corruption where Windows is far more sensistive I found - which is good BTW).

                           

                          I just found Linux more pleasant to work with. No fear of viruses, not anti-virus software that screew-up your whole system, no long and painful defragmentation... I'd like to concentrate more on my photos than trying hard to keep my system working fast!

                           

                          I could go to MacOS-X, but I need Linux for other works!

                           

                          Pascal.

                          • 10. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                            clvrmnky Level 4

                            Yes, of course you are correct being more specific.  It is the Mach kernel (developed as part of the NeXt project) that the main part of the OS X kernel was derived from (with none of the microkernel capabilities.) I didn't use it by its proper name.

                             

                            Still, I was rebutting your assertion that BSD was anything like Linux (in terms of library support and porting) which is anything like OS X. Neither is true. The are similar only in regards to POSIX support and a few other bits.  As most Unix like platforms tend to be.

                             

                            But this all academic.  In this case the import bits are the APIs necessary to make a high performance GUI app on a platform, and that fact is that a native Linux version would be a new porting effort with a lot of unanswered questions about which toolkit to use, and which distros to target.

                             

                            The costs of maintain such a slippery port would outweigh any advantages you mention regarding cross-platform testing.  Given how Lr is constructed (using a VM and byte code), a porting effort is probably not all that difficult, but is also the very reason cross-platform testing is of limited value.

                             

                            Linux is just a poor ecosystem for some sorts of applications for technical, legal and philosophical reasons.

                             

                            Modern commercial operating systems and modern file systems actually have few of the problems you mention, and many people run w/o add-ons like real-time anti-virus services with no problem (I'm one of them.) I've never defragmented a modern file system since the mid-90s as it is usually not needed, and has become one of those magic operations (like "repairing permissions" on OS X) that folks do as a panacea.

                             

                            Linux has come a long way to being a viable desktop for some kinds of users, at least in the last 10-15 years.  It just never got much traction among creative professional and amateurs, and this is unlikely to change for a variety of reasons. And those that choose Linux will often choose the Linux Way, and use the freely available tools that dedicated folks maintain for Linux.

                             

                            As attractive Linux is for some uses, in this case it is a poor match. At least, right now. There are a lot of reasons that close interfaces are a good idea, and being able to deliver software to a large population that works reliably (inasmuch as any commodity hardware and software is reliable) is one of these reasons. A close interface controlled by one company (i.e., Apple or Microsoft) means a better experience on the desktop for most of us.

                            • 11. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                              Pascal O Level 1

                              Of course you are probably right when opposing "Linux is just a poor ecosystem" and "Modern commercial operating systems and modern file systems", so I won't continue to reply to you as you've shown how biased your view on this issue is. If you are happy with current situation fine, I'm not and looking for a better choice.

                              • 12. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                clvrmnky Level 4

                                "Biased" does not mean what you think it means. On the other hand, your inability to quote my rather inoffensive comments in a fair manner suggest that you are unable to keep your feelings about open-source platforms from clouding your judgement. This would actually be an example of bias.  Please, re-read my comments and pay close attention to why I suggest that Linux is not the best place for Adobe to be spending time and money on right now.  I refuse to get dragged into some FOSS holy war. The world just doesn't work that way.

                                 

                                I have an opinion based on decades of experience in the business of enterprise software development, and I use and promote open-source software. I have for years.  I also work on a variety of platforms, including Linux and many you might not have even heard of. Supporting enterprise, commercial software on Linux is a very specific challenge, and one that you have to put some very important parameters around. In my case, over the years we have seen interest in Linux as a commercial software platform wax and wane, but never really get the traction that some people wanted.  There are too many reasons to enumerate why this might be so, and some are fair and some are not.  But the world is not fair in these assessments, unfortunately.  The net result is an ecosystem that is not particularly well-suited for certain kinds of commercial software interests.

                                 

                                This is not bias. It is merely opinion, and one that I have earned over the years.

                                 

                                I also have the ability to separate hopes and dreams from realities. Close-source environments make better ecosystems for certain user bases and certain type of applications.  Every platform offers a number of trade-offs, and closing your UI makes for a very stable and easy to target platform for developers looking to grow the widest audience with the least amount of surprises. Linux has a lot of advantages in other respects, but these very advantages make it less than ideal for certain kinds of audiences and certain kinds of commercial applications.

                                 

                                Platform chauvinism is silly, but just as silly is shoehorning an application into an ill-fitting environment.

                                 

                                [Edit]

                                 

                                BTW, no one is more supportive of a Linux version of Lr than me. As much as I would love to see it (however they end up solving the particular technical problems) I do realize that it is not a very good strategic move for Adobe.

                                • 13. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                  justdanyul Level 1

                                  I been a keen linux user for over 13 years now. Remember what linux is for though, hacking and the server room. Its never going to make it on the desktop (even though I have been hearing, for more than 10 years now, that THIS year, is the year of the linux desktop). Its never going to happen though.

                                   

                                  My suggestion, get a KVM switch and a Mac I did this and never looked back, its the best of both worlds

                                  • 14. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                    Pascal O Level 1

                                    @justdanyul, thanks for the advice! Don't know what you are trying to say by "not going to the desktop", you must probably be living in another planet.

                                     

                                    But I'm not going to follow your advice, my move has been to join the Darktable project and coding many functions to make it work for my workflow. I'm going to move to Darktable only this year for sure. I'm already using it for many of my work except my studio work. This year, with the local adjustment I'll probably move to Darktable only. I'll also stop to be a Lightroom teacher on my free time. I don't see the point helping Lightroom whent Lighroom has failed me.

                                     

                                    So MY advice to people following this forum, register to the Darktable project and help the project by coding, testing, translating the user's guide...

                                    • 15. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                      Keith_Reeder Level 4

                                      Pascal O wrote:

                                       

                                      you must probably be living in another planet.

                                      Could you at least try to be less wilfully obnoxious?

                                       

                                      But I'm not going to follow your advice, my move has been to join the Darktable project and coding many functions to make

                                      Great - when can we look forward to a Windows port? Fair's fair, after all - and the Darktable devs don't have any commercial constraints getting in the way of developing a Win version, do they?

                                       

                                      Or is it one rule for the FOSS communuty, and another for everyone else? You seem to have a lot to say about your expecation that other people should be helping you, so are you going to help others by encouraging its devs to get Darktable out to the biggest OS platform out there?

                                       

                                      I can guess the answer...

                                      • 16. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                        Pascal O Level 1

                                        > Could you at least try to be less wilfully obnoxious?

                                         

                                        Sorry but I'm really annoyed by earing the same thing again and again. Linux is going to the desktop, it has a

                                        very little share on the desktop, right, but it is gaining more user everyday. Ubuntu is mainy for the desktop

                                        and I have plenty of user's around me using Ubuntu (and no they are not computer scientists just regular

                                        user's (office, web, e-mail and instant messaging).

                                         

                                        > Or is it one rule for the FOSS communuty, and another for everyone else? You seem to have a lot to say about your

                                        > expecation that other people should be helping you, so are you going to help others by encouraging its devs to get

                                        > Darktable out to the biggest OS platform out there?

                                         

                                        Step in and do that port. I think the Darktable devs have nothing against big OS platforms just that the team is small

                                        and this will needs some energy to come to light. There is a win branch in the project BTW, because someone started

                                        this some time ago.... BTW, there is a MacOS port of Darktable today, working and supported by some users.

                                        • 17. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                          NathanChilton Level 1

                                          The main reason I'm running Windows, is just for Lightroom and Photoshop.  It does look like some people are running these apps on linux using WINE, but I don't have the time to play around with trying to get that working right now.  I've installed cygwin to have some familiar tools, but I would love to run linux most of the time.  If Adobe ported these applications to linux, I'd be VERY tempted to switch back to linux on my main system.

                                          • 19. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                            markalanthomas Level 1

                                            I’m going to have to put my foot down here. It’s not “NeXt”. It's “NeXT”. Sheesh.

                                            • 20. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                              robin48gx

                                              I saw someone at Brighton and Hove camera club extolling the virtues of light room. I do not have a Mac

                                              and I do not run windows at home (I refuse to now esp after steam has ported stuff to linux).

                                              But I would pay for Lightroom on linux. I pay for steam games on linux.

                                              I pay for other digital content. I just don't want to pay for an operating system

                                              where it is easily hi-jacked by time wasting viruses and the like which applies

                                              slightly more to Windows than it does to Mac.

                                              Also, I need linux for work, I need bash scripting, gcc, awk, sed, latex

                                              and make files, stuff that windows does not do very well.

                                              Come on adobe, I will willingly pay 100 quid for light room on linux.....

                                              I am sure there are thousands of others who would too....

                                              • 21. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                robin48gx Level 1

                                                Darktable..... mmmm I'll have a quick play, and prob contribute to that.... looks good

                                                 

                                                http://www.darktable.org/

                                                • 22. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                  robin48gx Level 1

                                                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/robin48gx/8492274548/in/photostream

                                                   

                                                  Got dark table. Had always had probs with this digital photo getting the rell to stand out. First time with the gamma/intensity curves on dark table and I got what I wanted. I have  a new toy to play with, thankyou Mr. Pascal.

                                                  • 23. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                    Keith_Reeder Level 4

                                                    robin48gx wrote:

                                                     

                                                    an operating system where it is easily hi-jacked by time wasting viruses and the like which applies slightly more to Windows

                                                     

                                                    Utter nonsense -  baseless FUD, FOSS zealot propaganda, and not remotely reflective of the Real World.

                                                     

                                                    I've used Windows for nearly 20 years - and MS-DOS before that - and I've never, in all that time, had one single virus or other malware affect any of my machines.

                                                     

                                                    Choose to use an open source OS by all means, but don't lie to yourself about why.

                                                     

                                                    I am sure there are thousands of others who would too....

                                                     

                                                    If there were, Adobe would already be plugged into that revenue stream.

                                                    • 24. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                      robin48gx Level 1

                                                      Well, I have had viruses and hi-jackware on windows, so have friends and family.

                                                      I have helped people clear up their windows machines as well.

                                                      I have also seen the assembler code to some of the viruses in MS_DOS

                                                      and its just laughably easy to get round the security, in fact, its more like there was

                                                      not any to get round. In MACOSX or LINUX there has always been a proper

                                                      layer to the security.

                                                       

                                                      I have never had a virus problem on Linux or MACOSX.

                                                      But look at the marketplace. How many anti virus programs are there for windows ?

                                                      How many are there for MACOSX and Linux.

                                                      The market can tell you something there.

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Also many viruses are now smart, they exist to hi-jack marketing information or spread spam.

                                                      You may well be infected and not know it.

                                                      The very early viruses were simplepranks, self replicating programs.

                                                      I had a friend who wrote one that after several generations formatted the hard drive.

                                                      He used an example from the Ralph Bergher book "computer viruses: a high tech disease".

                                                      No objective of making money there, so a very unsubtle virus.

                                                      The ones your OS could catch now are very quiet and stealthy.

                                                      Not written by students for a laugh, but financed by hard nosed businessmen.

                                                      • 25. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                        robin48gx Level 1

                                                        Steam are already plugged into the Linux community revenue stream....

                                                        • 27. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                          Pascal O Level 1

                                                          I fully agree. Regaring issues/viruses windows is by far the worst operating system. This was my motivation long time ago to move away from Windows. Not counting the fact that to keep a proper performance I had to reinstall Windows every 2 years (fragmentation, registry growing...).

                                                           

                                                          Of course there is plenty of software to help aleviating those issues by defragmenting, clearing some cache or whatever, cleaning the registry. You can also install an anti-virus... But frankly I have no time to spend trying to keep my machine clean! GNU/Linux is doing that for me. I save time, I have more time to take picture.

                                                           

                                                          Utter nonsense???? How can one say this today? Look at the security report. In this respect MacOS is far better, problem is that I'm working on GNU/Linux, so I needed a solution.

                                                           

                                                          The solution is darktable for me today.

                                                           

                                                          Sad, I was ready to pay twice to get a Lightroom port on GNU/Linux as I really like this software. Too bad!

                                                          • 28. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                            robin48gx Level 1

                                                            Looks like darktable can do most of the stuff I need for photos. Like the way it records a history of the actions performed on the image. I guess for layers and layer masks, and other difficult clever stuff I can go back to gimp, especially as 3.0 is coming out with 16 bit support (my neg scanner does 16 bit).

                                                             

                                                            I would still but lightroom for linux if it came out though, because people talk about it---and various techniques they use--- alot.I reckon though I will have got used to darktable by then, and as it is open source, like gimp, people will invent and refine plug-ins for it.

                                                            • 29. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                              robin48gx Level 1

                                                              You have gimp available on windows, you'll get darktable when someone can be bothered: we don't hate windows users (although they can be a pain when they ask us to fix their crap), we more pity them...

                                                              • 30. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                Pascal O Level 1

                                                                Masks in darktable are being worked on  You can test them (be sure to backup your library) by compiling from Git using the masks_manager branch.

                                                                • 31. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                  justdanyul Level 1

                                                                  I had actually decided that I wouldn't write in this thread anymore, after Pascals response to my thread earlier. But, alas, I got pulled back in.

                                                                   

                                                                  Right, first, this message is written from a workstation running Arch Linux. This serves as a good platform for devloping bespoke JEE applications.

                                                                   

                                                                  I use both OSX and Linux on a daily basic, and they are both great operating systems. These days, these days Linux is mostly at work though, at home OSX solves most my problems more elegantly.  But, in the end of the day I completely agree with Miguel de incaza (for people not interested in FOSS, he is basically the father of the GNOME desktop and a quite important person in FOSS), when he wrote his infamous "what killed the linux desktop" blog post -->  http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html 

                                                                   

                                                                  Linux as a desktop operating system, is unlikely to happen. For all the reasons he is articulating so nicely in that post. Linux as a specialized unix workstation, ofcourse, but in all fairness, all we need is a terminal, gcc, git and sed then really

                                                                   

                                                                  robin48gx wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  Steam are already plugged into the Linux community revenue stream....

                                                                   

                                                                  This is irrelevant though, why does it matter if a company making computer games have released a beta client of their store? Their business model is different, they are planning to roll out a console which is based on linux, which makes it a nobrainer. With that said, how many recent AAA title is available for the steam Linux client at the moment? None. When will they come? Most likely when the stream box comes out, hence, this is not driven by linux as a super tasty viable platform. But its rather a bi-product of a commerical product valve is planning to launch.

                                                                   

                                                                  This is not the case for Adobe.

                                                                   

                                                                  The linux desktop market is estimated to have a market share around 1.5%. This is segmented across a wealth of different linux distributions which are more or less compatible with each-other. Right, so we have a small market segment, which is fairly non-standardised and a bit of a pain to deploy for (unless you release your source code). On top of this, a lot of these people are fairly fanatical about free (open) software and doesn't particularly like commercial software . Java is a good example of this, Java is one of the worlds most used programming languages, but is still a second rate citizen in the desktop linux eco-system, java language binding for quite important stuff such as clutter, gst etc etc is terribly far behind the other language bindings.

                                                                   

                                                                  So, in summery, you have a small, quite segmented, where the average user is very religious about why software should be free and open.

                                                                   

                                                                  Ofcourse they haven't ported, thats a terribly business case

                                                                  • 32. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                    robin48gx Level 1
                                                                    tf2 and counter strike source are ported to linux already. both very fast paced multi player fps. as i posted earlier, i used to have windoze for games like this. i no longer need it. off to play cs2, terrorists win.....
                                                                    • 33. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                      robin48gx Level 1

                                                                      Java was designed by a unix company, and ran on Linux and SUNOS before it ran on windoze.  Your example of Java makes no sense. I programmed my MSc project in Java years ago, and the `jar' file ran on Linux SUNOS and Windoze desktops without modification.

                                                                      I find your conjecture about Java being unsupported on Linux rather puzzling. The whole point of Java is that it is multi-platform. I have no problems running Java on Linux.

                                                                      • 34. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                        justdanyul Level 1

                                                                        robin48gx wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        Java was designed by a unix company, and ran on Linux and SUNOS before it ran on windoze.  Your example of Java makes no sense. I programmed my MSc project in Java years ago, and the `jar' file ran on Linux SUNOS and Windoze desktops without modification.

                                                                        I find your conjecture about Java being unsupported on Linux rather puzzling. The whole point of Java is that it is multi-platform. I have no problems running Java on Linux.

                                                                         

                                                                        To be quite blunt with you, the trouble you have with my conjecture is that you have problems actually reading my post. Look what I wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        "but is still a second rate citizen in the desktop linux eco-system, java language bindings for quite important stuff such as clutter, gst etc etc is terribly far behind the other language bindings"

                                                                         

                                                                        So, what im saying, is the important desktop open source linux projects, take Clutter as an example, do not embrace Java very much. Its is possible to find some half arsed bindings, which is several versions behinds the other language bindings. Look at this wiki page for example, check the bindings section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)

                                                                         

                                                                        Another example, java-gnome (which is the GTK/gnome binding for java), is not even in my preferred distros official package repository. Nobody cares, "just use python".

                                                                         

                                                                        Your "I wrote something in java which runs on multiple platforms" answer is completely off target. Great, so have I, in uni it was more c++ for me, but during my 15+ years of being a developer by trade, I have most certainly used my fair amout of java. Again, if you had read my post, you could see I pointed out linux it was a good platform for developing JEE (..the J here stands for java you know ). But again, this has nothing todo with what I wrote about java as a language not being embraced by the opensource community.

                                                                         

                                                                        Please try and read why I actually am writing. You seem to be skimming. Same with the games comment, Counter Strike is from 2000, its hardly a "recent AAA title" , TF2 isn't recent either.

                                                                         

                                                                        All the best

                                                                        • 35. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                          robin48gx Level 1

                                                                          css has evolved, in fact last build was 31 jan 2012. tf2 is a current state of the art multiplayer fps.  but are you trying to say that because developers prefer python and c++ to java (as do i) that this somehow denegrates the linux desktop? i dont see how...

                                                                          • 36. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                            justdanyul Level 1

                                                                            ok, this will be my last post in this thread as its getting a bit embarrasing. But for the record, counter strike and counter strike source are old games. I played it when it was released in 2004. And TF2 is from 2007. Ok, bug fixes and amendments keep rolling in, this doesn't make them new games though

                                                                             

                                                                            No, I'm saying that quite alot of opensource projects are treating java as a second rate citizen because of its "roots". And im saying that ignoring one of the top-3 most used languages on the planet, mostly out of principle, sends a pretty clear message

                                                                             

                                                                            All the best,

                                                                            • 37. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                              robin48gx Level 1

                                                                              this has got a bit off topic. still the main point was I, personally, would buy light room for lnux, if it was available. I do want to support sw financially to encourage better products.

                                                                              p.s.

                                                                              java is c++ with all the difficult bits taken out, language for kids, pah!

                                                                              • 38. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                                NathanChilton Level 1

                                                                                Part of the problem might be the fact that people who really need to run Lightroom, who are willing to pay for it, are already using it on another platform.  I use Lightroom for my daily work.  It is the main reason I run Windows.  If it were available for Linux, I might consider switching to running Linux as my primary OS.  However, I would not be willing to rebuy Lightroom for Linux.  I've already paid for Lightroom and would expect to be able to use my current license after changing platforms.  So, Adobe wouldn't make any additional money off of me. 

                                                                                 

                                                                                If you really need Lightroom, you're already using it.  I run Windows, but half of all serious photographers use OSX.  I wish there was enough of a market for Lightroom (and Photoshop) on Linux, but I doubt that Linux users are a big part of their target market.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Corel's Aftershot Pro is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I suppose if Aftershot is successful enough on Linux, Adobe might pay attention. 

                                                                                • 39. Re: Lightroom and Linux
                                                                                  robin48gx Level 1

                                                                                  Steam have solved this for multi-platform. Games you owned under windows, are available to you when they are ported to linux. I have paid for about 10 games under linux so far ... waiting for company of heroes to come over.... but other than that a very happy bunny.

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