Many thanks for all the advice you give.
I currently use Premiere Pro with a Matrox card for editing DV but I hope to get CS5 in the near future with a view to switching to AVCHD. Based on what I have read in this forum I put together specifications for an editing computer and requested a quote from a supplier.
They have responded with a quote incorporating the following. I find the details confusing so have included it in the hope that you can say ok or not.
Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz
12 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM or similar
300/500GB? Hard Drive - 7200rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
1 X 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s
2 X 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s RAID 0
samsung hd103uj ?? Seems to be highly thought of
Something with plenty of cooling
Corsair or CoolerMaster ??
Blu-ray Disc Burner
LG GGW-H20L BR/DVD burner ??
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470
Windows 7 64-bit Pro?
The different motherboard worries me and I am not sure if the disks are suitable.
Cpu Intel lga1366 i7 930 - Quad core+Hyper-Threading / 8 threads , 2.88ghz box cpu / 3.06ghz turbo boost , 4.8GT/s - 1x QPi , VT-x , no VT-d + no TXT, no ASE , built-in tripple channel DDR3-1066 memory controler , support upto 24gb , 25.6GB/sec memory bandwidth , 45nm - 4x64k L1 + 1mb(4 x 256kb) L2 cache + 8mb L3 cache , with VT-x Motherboard ASUS Rampage 2 Extreme
LGA1366 mb ; with on-board extreme OC tweakIt , Dual BIOS , external debug LED poster , EL i/o , Voltminder LED ( cpu/mem/nb/sb voltage warning led ) , on-board on/off/clear CMOS switch , fanless heatpipe design , 16+2 phase power design , nVidia SLI / ATi coressfire ready ; intel X58+iCH10R , 6x tripple channel 2-phase DDR3 2000 ( support XMP upto 1.69v ) , 9 x s-ata2 with raid 0/1//0+1/5/10 ( 8 x SATA + 1 x e-SATA ) , 1 x parallel ata133 , on-board SupremeFX II ADI 2000B Dobly Digital live 7.1 audio with coaxial+optical S/Pdif out + dual gigabit lan + ieee1394a ; 1x pci , 2 x pci-e(1x) , 3 x pci-e 2.0 (16x+16x+1x or 16x+8x+8x ) - 1 x PS2 only for kb
Ram Corsair CMX6GX3M3A1333C9 , XMS 3 , with heatsink , 3 x 2Gb kit - support Intel XMP ( eXtreme Memory Profiles ) , ddr3-1333 ( PC3-10666 ) , CL9 , 1.5v - 240pin - lifetime warranty Hdd seagate barracuda 7200.12 st3500418as , 500gb, sata3G , 7200rpm, 16mb cache - 3 years warrenty Hdd seagate barracuda ES2 ST31000340NS / constellation ES ST31000524NS , dual processor + multi-drive firmware maximized , 500gb, sata3G , 7200rpm, 32mb cache, designed for 24x7 digital video surveillance or business-critical applications ( NAS , video surveillance … ETC ) - 5 years warrenty Case Coolermaster RC-690-KKN1 , CM690 black , No psu ( bottom placed psu design ) : tools free for Pci+3.5"+5.25" ; 2 x front usb + audio in/out + ieee1394 - 4/5x 5.25", 1/0 x 3.5" , 5x 3.5" hidden ( hdd side removable ) - 1 x front blue-led fan + 1 x rear 120mm fan + 1 x side 120mm fan upto 7 - atx PSU Corsair TX850 , Eps12V , ATX 12V V2.2 - 850w ( 12v : 840w ) , nvidia SLi ready , 80PLUS certified for energy saving , 24pin ( 4pin detachable ) , with active-PFC , 4 x 8pin (2+6) PCI-E power connectors , 8x SATA , 1x 140mm thermal controled fan ; with OCP, OVP, OPP, SCP, UVP - 5 years warranty - no power cord Blu-Ray LG BH10LS30 , Lightscribe , black , Dual Layer , Blu-Ray writer (10x) , 50/25/17/8.5/4.7GB : DL BD-RE , DL BD-R , DL dvd+R , dvd±r/rw ; SATA , 2mb buffer Gpu Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 , HDMi ready , geforce GTX470 , 40nm , SLi support , Pci-E 2.0 16x , support HybridPower , 1.25Gb/1280mb 320bit DDR5 , support 3D Surround + DirectX 11+tessellation + shader model 5.0 + 32x AA ; max resolution 2560x1600 , HDCP Compliant , RoPs : 40 , 133.9Gb/sec memory transfer , 448 cuda cores @ 1.215Ghz ( pixel shader engine + vertex pipelines ) , core/memory : 607/3348mhz , 2x dvi + HDMi ( with dvi to d-sub converter )
Apologies for the level of detail but I don't know what to exclude.
Hi, Urgent help requested
We are running a development project in East Timor,
Currently we are trying to put together a computer to run Premiere Pro CS5
one configuration we have been advised is
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3R MB, Intel P55, DDR3 2000, PCI-Ex16, SATA3, USB 3.0
CPU: i7-870 Core i7 QUAD CORE CPU , 2.93 GHz, Socket LGA1156
Graphics Card: ATI HD 5750 PCI-E 2.0 1GB 128 bit GDDR5
Sound Card: Intergrated 7.1 HD Audio
Hard Disk Drive: 2 x 1.5TB Seagate SATA2 HDD in RAID 0 (SPEED)
RAM: 8 Gigabytes 1333 Mhz DDR3 (64Bit OS only)
or could you suggest changes from options available
if you're not gonna build it yourself, http://www.adkvideoediting.com/ is our trusted builders.
and for laptops, go Sager.
4 things i had trouble with
you need one more disk for your OS a 200-300gb vraptor(10k-15krpm) would do.
Processor - i7950 would be better
Ram - 12gb(3x2gb sticks) DDR3 @ 1600
Gfx Card - Nvidia gtx470
Also, you forgot to mention your budget.
Thanks for the feedback,
Yes we are not in a position here where we can afford to build ourselves (East Timor)
I will also need to use an Australian based company as this is where we need to get our supplies from
We are an NGO development program and fund are always tight and tightly monitored but a system that will work is essential
We are not making top end productions only information and education materials to use locally
I will check your suggestions with the suppliers that I can locate
Any further feedback greatly appreciated
LOL we used to post a pic of one of my friends from australia upside down on our profiles.
That nostalgia being revived, if it's your choice going with a budget of USD 2,000(I'm not sure the pricing thar in the outback) would be good.... Then the others(guys on teh forum) could help you specify the best hardware.... btw, you might wanna start a new thread.
I would appreciate it if you or somone here would comment on the component selection I am planning to use to build a new workstation.
CPU - Intel Core i7 950 3.06 GHz
CPU Fan - Not yet decided
Motherboard - ASUS Rampage III Extreme
Tower - Cooler Master 922
Memory - DDR3 1600 MHz
System Drive - Raptor 10000 RPM VelociRaptor WD 3000 BLFS 300 GB
Caching and Program Drive - Seagate 7200 RPM 1.5 TB (extra one in my stock)
Power Supply - Antec TPQ-1000 TruPower Quattro 1000 watt
Four hard drives at 2TB eatch to be configured as RAID5 - Seagate 7200 RPM
RAID card- Adaptec RAID 3405 (moved from existing computer)
Video card - nVIDIA Quattro FX 3800 (moved from existing computer)
BluRay - LG BH10
Two SSD drives for caching- not yet decided
I'd be interested in comments about the ASUS Rampage III Extreme. My reason for choosing it is the two extra SATA ports with 6.0 Gp/s as well the USB 3.0 ports. In addition the ability to tweak the clocking.
My olny concern is that the case is large enough to provide a 1 inch gap between the video card and the drive bays.
In the PC is asembled this summer the video card was so long that there was no gap.
It was hard to push the video card in and all the power lines and some SATA lines had to run over the video card.
Your point is one I did consider when selecting this case, having gone through this a couple of months ago with a nVIDIA's Quattro FX 4800 card which did not fit into my existing tower. This case is 3.5 inches deeper than the one I have now and the hard drives are placed sideways so that the cabling does not extend into the case. I selected it in part due to the location it will have to occupy and the manner in which it vents. The biggest turnoff is the "red LED lit front fan", which, hopefully can be turned off, I mean the LED not the fan.
Your point is of importance as I expect to add another video card and this time one without compromize.
Thank you for your input.
I'm in a position to build a new video editing coomputer for CS5. My budget is $2500. I have the CS5. Was thiiiiiiiiiiikng of getting two Hard Drives each two TB and mirroring them. Your thoughts please.
We purchased all new equipment this year. We do not have the time or
expertise to build a computer. So we buy them. The 4 computers we
purchased were all Dell Alien Auroras. We felt they were a low cost
option and their operation has been flawless. Some have the 920 and
some the 980x processors. They accommodate 4 hard drives. You can
purchase them with the RAID 1 option. We use RAID 0 without an issue.
But, we store nothing on the computers. With the 920 processor and
12 gb ram they cost about $2,200.
If the reason you are using RAID 1 is because you are storing the data
on your computer we would not use the standard 2tb drives. We prefer
enterprise hard drives. They cost considerably more (2 1/2 x ) , but
there should never be an issue. For storage we prefer RAID 6 NAS.
That is another subject altogether. Western Digital WDRE4 - GP
WD2002FYPS is a common choice. Be certain they were made after May
2010 for some pretty important upgrades.
Good luck to you.
For editing, we believe a gaming computer is a clear choice. They are extremely fast for their price. We are using 4 Dell Alienware Auroras. We feel good about letting Dell do the engineering. They are easy to buy, dependable, competitively priced, and fast. With Dell Alienware, there is a large user base to lean on if you have a problem. We have had "0" problems in this first year of operation.
Thanks for your input. Working with CS5 I
need very speifc Nvidia Graphics Cards that optimize the
workflow not offered by Dell.
the answer is no
you need a minimum of 3 drives
2) Work drive (can be raid 0,3,5,6)
3) final output/render (can be raid 0,3,5,6)
raid 1 (mirror) is pointless use an external to back up to...
also there are far far better choices for the $ than Alienware where you would actually get support for Adobe...
the cheap Aurora's (which aint cheap once built out for editing) use MATX boards.pretty sad for editing stations
We order the Fermi cards already installed. It is not any special order.
Have you seen this Motherboard from Supermicro, also has the dual CPU support as well Supermicro H8SGL E-ATX, G34 Socket, One Eight/Twelve-Core support, AMD Opteron 6100 series CPU, 128GB DDR3 1333MHz, SATA AMD SP5100 Controller, Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet, Matrox G200.
to be as blunt as possible!
nothing AMD has can beat Intel price or performance.
I, like most others in this thread am building a custom PC (for someone), the only problem is the budget is $1,850 CAD after taxes and shipping, so it's a bit more limited, I had some questions:
In the minimum requirements it lists RAID 0, is this to be a dedicated drive for rendering only? I was planning on doing a RAID 0 (500GB drives) and an OS Drive (500GB), as well as a storage drive (2TB), does this make sense, would all cache/rending point to the RAID 0?
I'm getting the GTX 470, with using this graphics card and CUDA, does this mean it no longer uses the CPU at all, or does it use the CPU and GPU now to do the processing of the video?
The components I'm looking at getting are as follows, right now it's a bit over budget, so I'm looking at possibly going with a less expensive motherboard and going down to 8GB ram.
Graphics Card - EVGA GTX 470
CPU - Core I7 @ 3.06Ghz
Motherboard - Asus P6X58D-E
Raid 0 - 2 x 500GB Seagate 7200rpm drives
OS Drive - 1 x 500GB Seagate 7200rpm drive
Media Storage - 1 x 2TB Western Digital Green drive
RAM - 12GB - G.Skill ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB)
Case - Cooler Master RC-690-KKN1-GP
Power Supply - CMPSU-750TX 750W (I've got to take a look at this, might not be enough)
Blu-Ray Burner - LG WH10LS30K
OS - Win7 Prof 64bit
Right now this is totalling around $1,950. First of all, does this setup look decent? It matches a lot of the others I've seen, I'm just not sure on the hard drive setup, Power Supply, and if the graphics card is doing all the work, maybe I could bump down the CPU a bit.
Thanks to anyone who replies!
In an editing rig, NEVER use green disks. Get full 7200 RPM disks only. Try to avoid using mid towers, better go for full size towers.
Thanks for the reply! I'll look for a bigger tower, hopefully there is one in the same price range.
I'm curious on the green drive, you definitely know better then I, but I wanted to ask. If media is being stored on it, why the need for 7200rpm? I understand if your actively converting to a drive then you need speed, but once your project is done, do you typically store it on a usb drive or slower large drive, or is that demand for speed still there during playback (in the case of uncompressed video I guess?)
Thanks again for the input
Any input on the hardware I'm using, does it at look OK overall?
Let's get the first obstacle out of the way: USB drives are ONLY good for backups, nothing else.
Green disks: about 30 - 40% slower than normal 7200 SATA disks. Imagine a timeline with 5 video tracks, a couple of audio tracks and a single disk is hard pressed to supply the data, even if they are static, to the CPU at a sufficient rate, especially if the fill rate goes up.
If you are talking not about a media drive but about an export drive, then a green disk is OK, speed is no longer important.
Ahhh, the one time I don't copy my message before hitting submit and it logs me out and I lose it
I did mean an export disk (assuming that means where you store your media when your done editing and it's been converted to it's final format).
To be honest I know nothing about adobe premier, I've done research to understand what the requirements are and different recommended setups, I guess the biggest thing I'm grasping at is the hard drives, and I think it's because I don't understand the workflow, I'm planning:
500GB 7200rpm - OS/Page File
RAID 0 / 2 x 500GB 7200rpm - I assume this is where you would keep all your projects as you were working on them for rendering/editing etc.. ? I know it's a requirement for Premier CS5, but it didn't really go into detail on what's to be stored on it.
2TB - I assumed the user of the machine would need somewhere to store his finished work, if this isn't needed, or a 7200rpm 1TB drive would be better, I can absolutely change it.
Thanks again for the reply, I really appreciate it, I just want to be sure I get the hardware and configuration right, so I don't buy all these parts and realize I should have orderex x instead of y
...I'm copying and pasting this one just in case
I suggest to create a new thread with your questions. I'll be happy to answer them, but more people may benefit from the discussion that in an old thread like this one.
I just had a very similar system built, same CPU, Graphics and Mother Board. I would suggest, 24Gb ram (it is cheap right now) and this Mother Board supports eSata 6.0, I would use a couple of WD Black 6.0 1Tb drives in Raid 0 for Video storage. That is my setup and it works like a charm.
I'm about to get a PC built for home video editing. Are there any changes to your orginal post you'd make/suggest now given the time that has pasted since then. It's a great post.
I would start here:
This chart will provide a picture of the top performing hardware suitable for Premiere Pro CS5. Choose your desired performance level, take note of the hardware and price it out on a website like newegg.com.
Personally, I would go with an Intel 980x processor, 24GB of RAM and an Nvidia GTX 580 card to power MPE.
Scott with ADK likes Mushkin RAM. One needs to consider recommendations from someone who builds video editing computers for a living. Personally, I have been using RAM purchased online from Crucial over the years without issues.
If you don't want to build the system yourself, have Eric with ADK build one for you. There is a big difference between going with a system builder specializing in gaming computers and one who majors in building video editing computers.
I favor the Gigabyte motherboards, but a lot of guys like Asus.
Harm has some great advice related to overclocking and hard drive configurations.
Hi Chuck - that CPU looks top of the range - I was more interested in the "economical" range (based on Harm's original post terminology) - we only do video editing say once every month or two after a holiday/trip, and then come back and try to reasonable job (not professional by any means) of pulling the best parts together. We use Adobe Premiere & Photoshop. The file types we seem to have currently are:
- *.dv - from our older (a few years old) digital video camera
- *.mts - from the video from our new digital video camera, that takes reasonable video
Currently based on reading to date (not too much yet) is something like:
* CPU / Motherboard
- Not sure (was thinking ASUS for motherboard, but model depends on CPU no doubt?)
- what sort of CPU/motherboard do you think these days fits into the Economical (not professional) category at the moment?
- Re CPU the list from our local shop is: http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=13
* Memory - get lots it seems - I was thinking 12GB initially
* Video Card - not sure whether we need something flash given the video formats we are dealing with (see above)? Someone suggested nVidia GTX470 or a Quadro card for Adobe Premiere work...
* Disk Drives
- dedicated system drive
- video drives - wanted to have data protection (and apparently Drobo's etc are not good for performance) so two (or three) SATA drives here in a RAID 5 configuration I was thinking? Not sure if there are any tips & tricks here to be aware of re RAID 5 usage with video editing?
* O/S - Win7 64bit - Home Premium or Pro? perhaps just go for Pro?
Go with Win 7 64 Professional. Make sure it's 64, which is something I'm sure you already know. If you spend a little extra money, you will get something that is a pleasure to edit on. If you want to reduce the price a little bit, you should go with high rated non-green 1TB hard drives for your media drives. You could probably get by with a Corsair 750 watt power supply, but it's a good idea to check that out in one of the many online power supply calculators.
This would make for a decent system and it's somewhat mid-range:
newegg Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
12GB kit (4GBx3) US $149.99
Part #: CT3KIT51264BA1339 • DDR3 PC3-10600 • CL=9 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1333 • 1.5V • 512Meg x 64 •
COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
GIGABYTE GV-N470OC-13I GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black WD2001FASS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Now: $169.99 x2= 339.98
excellent - thanks for this Chuck
I just bought a laptop not too long ago and instead of purchasing something new, is there any way I can improve the performance of what I have? I mostly use my laptop for editing photos, but I now want to work with the highest resolution of video that I can. I noticed AE and Pr are a bit sluggish with the HD video I've been playing with. Here's what I have for my laptop:
- Quad Core Intel Core i7 processor (1.73GHz) with Turbo Boost Technology (2.93GHz)
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
- 8GB of DDR3 RAM & 500GM Serial ATA HDD
- NVIDIA GeForce GT 310M (512MB) Graphics
- External Hardrive 1TB, eSATA, USB 2.0
- CS4 Master Collection
I also have a few other questions:
- In the AE Memory and Multiprocessing preferences, if I have 8GB of RAM, how much is suggested I leave for other applications? I'm probably only going to have the Firefox browser running, if anything.
- How much should I allocated to each CPU for rendering multiple frames simultaneously? Right now I have 0.5 GB per CPU.
- For Multiprocessing, how many, if any, CPUs should I leave for other applications? It's at 0 now.
- Should I use my local disk drive or my external hardrive to run AE and Pr? Would it make much of a difference?
I've tried playing with the settings, but I really don't know what I'm doing and I haven't found anything that really helps.
I would suggest you start a new discussion rather than get into such an old existing discussion.
And about your external disk which way are you using it?
Thank you for your response. I didn't know if it would be considered rude to start a new thread when one already exists. There's a lot of participation in this thread and I didn't think anyone would mind if I asked a few related questions.
The external disk is new and I haven't used it for anything yet. I was thinking of using it for storage/back-up. If you think it would be best used for something else, I'm very open to ideas.
Do you have any suggestions?
Someone was able to help me in another forum. I'd thought I'd post his response here, in case someone else has similar specs and searching for answers on performance.
For 8gb of ram, I'd leave at least 2gb for other applications. I don't know what plugins you use for Firefox, but that should work. If you have 4 cores, leave one for other programs. Minimum allocated for per CPU, 1gb should work well, maybe 2. Personally, I like longer ram preview over faster rendering. I like to see more than a couple seconds.
I tried it and it works so much better than the default settings. I hope this helps someone.
Good morning, I am building a custom workstation for a friend that shoots with a Sony EX1 camera and edits footage from that, P2 and AVCHD together in the same timelines.
I have read that it is recommended that you have dual hexa-core motherboards for this, but all the motherboards that support dual-hex CPUs are for servers and lack a number of the features this user needs such as USB 3, eSATA, on-board high quality sound. Plus, if Adobe is serious about the Mercury Playback Engine, I would think maxing out the Quadro card would be money better spent than on a second CPU, plus I thought video encoding wasn't very threadable so having 12 / 24 threads on slower processors wouldn't be effecient compared to 6/12 threads of a faster processor?
I would like to run the spec of the workstation I have planned to build my friend to see what you think.
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Antec Twelve Hundred V3 Tower case
Antec HCP-1200 Powersupply
ASUS Rampage III Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-990X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.46GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7990X
24 GB 1600 DDR3 RAM Corsair Vengeance 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9
PNY VCQ5000-PB Quadro 5000 2.5GB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Workstation Video Card
ASUS DVD – LightSCRIBE
Pioneer Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 8X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner Blu-ray Burner BDR-206MBK
256 GB SSD OS and Software Drive
2 TB Backup & Update Install Drive, Tutorials, work, Docs.
2 2 TB Raid for Work Files
256 GB SSD for SWAP and ADOBE CACHE
Multi Card Reader
Thank you for your help,
Do you have a list of up to date components that you recommend for a new rig? Thanks for all the great info that you have put out.
I'm trying to setup a computer that can run adobe master collection cs5.
Is this ok?
Intel Core i7 2600 Processor
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3 Motherboard
Intel P67 chipset
4 x DD3 DIMM slot
Build-in Raid 0 and Raid 1
High Definition Audio (up to 7 Channel)
Build in LAN (support up to Gigabit LAN)
Support 2xSATA 6GB/S; and 4xSATA 3Gb/s connection; 2x eSATA; 6xUSB 2.0; 2xUSB 3.0 ports
16GB DDR3 PC-1333
1 x Intel 120Gb SSD (for OS win7 professional)
2 x Seagate 2TB XT Barracuda Series 7200rpm hard drive
GTX570 Sonic 1280Mb GDDR 5320-bit
The only problem is the 8 GB of memory because it is using all 4 slots with no expansion room. You really need 4 GB RAM modules.
Very true, Bill.
That custom-built has a total of only 8GB, and has no available DIMM slots for expansion. It should have had two 4GB DIMMs instead.
I only build xeon rigs i can help you with that.
Xeon cpu work great but cost a lot of money