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    CS5 text wrap fails randomly

    E Diane King Community Member

      I've noticed in any and all of my CS5 documents a seemingly random failure of text wrap. Sometimes I will open documents that contain text wraps and some wrapped objects are being ignored, and the text has reflowed as if the object does not have a text wrap on it. If I select the object and bump it one way and then back, the wrap reestablishes. This becomes a serious problem if I'm opening a multiple-page document to print or export it to PDF and there is a random text wrap failure on a page that I'm not looking at. This does not occur to all text wraps in a document--just random ones. I can't figure out why the wrap failure occurs and bumping the object fixes it, but if I'm working on a lot of documents that contain a lot of text wraps (which I do), this unexpected failure can cause a lot of problems when printing for editors or exporting final PDFs for printers. Has anyone else seen this problem?

       

      I'm on a Mac OS 10.5.8 and ID CS5 is up to date.

        • 1. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
          Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

          I don't remember anyone else mentioning this. I guess start with the standard trash the prefs and export a doc that does this to .idml and see if it goes away. Anythird party plugins? Font manager?

          • 2. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
            E Diane King Community Member

            One of the files that just did it to me was one I had just exported to IDML in order to fix an updating InCopy story crash. The bad wrap showed up in a printout of the recovered file, so that route doesn't "fix" the issue, though I do not know if the wrap occurred after the recovery or was already there when I exported to IDML.

             

            I do have several third party plugins. Gloun's ProScale, Teacup Software's Barcode Maker, APID Tool Asistant (using Side Heads), and SDK Kindle Export (which I could remove since it doesn't work--though I don't see how it could be affecting documents since it's an exporting plugin).

            • 3. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
              Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

              I'm not familiar with Pro Scale. Can you live without it temporarily? Barcode Maker is on a lot of systems and is not, as far as I know, known to be a troublemaker, nor the APID Tool Assist, so I'd leave those active for the moment. Since the Kindle plugin isn't workiing anyway, that's the first thing to remove.

              • 4. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                E Diane King Community Member

                I've moved them both out of the Plugins folder and will let you know. I doubt, however, that either of them are the issue. Neither are "active" plugins. They are called on to do their thing and are inactive at any other time. ProScale is a really well-built plugin that allows you to resize objects, groups, or whole documents with specific preferences. I was able to resize an entire full letter size coffetable book to a 40% version of itself, scaling everything in its place with very little need to correct anything once finished. Works much better than the built in layout adjustment.

                • 5. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                  Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                  And do you use a font manager?


                  • 6. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                    E Diane King Community Member

                    Yes, we use Universal Type Client (Extensis) to manage our fonts from a central server.

                    • 7. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                      Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                      I don't know about UTC, either, but their early Suitcase auto-activation plugins have a history of bad behavior.

                      • 8. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                        E Diane King Community Member

                        True, I never install those plugins because I have experienced that bad behavior in the past (years ago).  I manually turn on the fonts I need.

                        • 9. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                          as2012

                          Is 'text wrap only affects text beneath' option checked in pref/composition?

                           

                          Also, there is an option for wrap of items on master pages: 'Apply To Master Page Only' from the text wrap panel pullout menu.

                           

                          Besides that, I have seen a quirk before (CS3) where I had deleted a frame with text wrap, but the wrap remained. Exporting to .inx or copy/paste-in-place to a new file fixed it then.

                          • 10. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                            E Diane King Community Member

                            Thanks for the suggestions, but none of these are my problem. My problem isn't a consistent thing. Most of the time, the wraps work just like they are supposed to, and then I'll reopen the document to make a couple edits or to print or export to PDF and one or more of the wraps in the document, which was working just fine before, is suddenly being ignored. If I select and bump the object being wrapped, the wrap will reassert itself. The problem is annoying because it means I basically have to scan each page of every document that contains wraps every time I open it to make sure all the wraps are working properly.

                            • 11. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                              E Diane King Community Member

                              I've deactivated all the plugins I can, but I'm still having the problem, even on recently-exported-to-IDML docs.

                              • 12. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                Did these files start in CS5 or are they conversions?

                                • 13. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                  E Diane King Community Member

                                  Some are conversions--all of which were exported to IDML on conversion--but some started fresh with CS5.

                                  • 14. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                    If some are fresh it probably isn't related to conversion, but for what it's worth there have been enough reports of strange behavior with legacy conversions in CS5 that I no longer open early version .indd for conversion, but instead open inthe original version and export to .inx (even from CS4) and convert that in CS5. So far I've not found any problems.

                                     

                                    Not that that helps your situation in the slightest.

                                    • 15. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                      E Diane King Community Member

                                      I truly envy those of you who don't have any problems with CS5. So far, in my experience, CS5 has been the buggiest release of InDesign since I started using the app (version 1). I've been a long time user of ID and have never experienced so many bizarre, unexplainable, and irritating errors in a release. I've already reported two reproducible bugs on the bug report, and I have at least five more that I can't consistently reproduce enough to report that are driving me nuts. This text wrap failure is one of them. I can't figure out what causes it, and I can't make it happen, but it pops up at the most inconvenient times.

                                      • 16. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                        Matthew Laun Adobe Employee

                                        @E Diane King,

                                        I emailed you offline with a request for an example file I can use for investigation.

                                         

                                        Sincerely,

                                        Matthew

                                        • 17. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                          Matthew Laun Adobe Employee

                                          With Diane's help, I have a reproducible case submitted to the ID Development team for investigation. With luck, that will lead to a fix. Thank you Diane!

                                           

                                          Sincerely,

                                          Matthew

                                          • 18. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                            E Diane King Community Member

                                            Thank you, Matthew, for looking into my annoying little bug. I'm glad you were able to reproduce it.


                                            • 19. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                              katebasart

                                              I too am having the text wrap issue. (Of course on a night when all the documents--and there are many--are to ship to the printer.) The only change I made was to the pagination of the first page of the document. Not even from recto to verso, just from one odd number to another. After making that one change, the text wraps randomly changed on many of the items in the document.

                                               

                                              I think I may have discovered a solution just now--after making any change at all to the document (in this case just a page number) it's as if the master page is being reapplied. In my case, there is a spread where there is a complex text box on the master page that has been enlarged/or shrunk on each actual page and the text is linked to this box.

                                               

                                              After applying the page number (changing from page 1 to page 15) the text is gone from parts of the pages as though a wrap is being applied. And it is! It is being applied from the box on the master page that is no longer being used. When I delete the box, the problem goes away.

                                              • 20. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                kapooostin

                                                I found one of the possible causes of that bug: span columns settings.

                                                 

                                                I had similar problem except that mine occured after altering styles that were used  succesfully long before. And after comparing two boxes one of which behaved properly and another one with not-always-working-text-wrap, the only difference was this. When I changed it to Single Column, the trouble vanished. Lucky me there was no need of spanning.

                                                 

                                                Nevertheless, the bug is consistent: span columns + text wrap is quite unstable.

                                                • 21. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                  E Diane King Community Member

                                                  Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Though the sample that I gave to Adobe did not contain actual spanning, one of the styles on the page was set to span if the story had been multi-column--which it wasn't.

                                                   

                                                  However, I would just say Text Spanning is unstable. Add to the spanning equation anything like tables, or text wraps, embedded graphics, etc., and ID becomes very unstable. Hopefully, the next release of ID will have a more stable version of Text Spanning.

                                                  • 22. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                    kapooostin Community Member

                                                    E Diane King wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Though the sample that I gave to Adobe did not contain actual spanning, one of the styles on the page was set to span if the story had been multi-column--which it wasn't.

                                                    Exactly, the frame in my case also was not multy-column. That's why I could get rid of this setting.

                                                     

                                                    However, I would just say Text Spanning is unstable. Add to the spanning equation anything like tables, or text wraps, embedded graphics, etc., and ID becomes very unstable. Hopefully, the next release of ID will have a more stable version of Text Spanning.

                                                    Hope so. Just now I also found out that fitting gets disabled for frames with spanned paragraphs.

                                                    • 23. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                      Matthew Laun Adobe Employee

                                                      All,

                                                      Though, with the help of Diane, we have a file that demonstrates the problem, we are having difficulty determining how the problem is introduced. If anyone has additional information about changes to the document prior to when you frist see the issue, that might be of great help.

                                                       

                                                      Sincerely,

                                                      Matthew

                                                      • 24. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                        ickledotuk

                                                        Exactly what I've found. Span columns + text wrap = bad relationship.

                                                         

                                                        Thanks for the help.

                                                         

                                                        John

                                                        • 25. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                          E Diane King Community Member

                                                          Please everyone who has been following this thread. If you have files that demonstrate this bug please contact Matthew Laun and DON'T export to IDML before doing so. They need examples of the issue that are not baked into the file and as I've discovered the hard way, exporting to IDML bakes the error into the file. Adobe has closed the case on this unless they get further examples or information, and I'd really like them to fix it. Your help would be much appreciated.

                                                          • 26. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                            RSDD

                                                            I have an offending file currently open. Let me know what needs to be done to submit

                                                            this for review.

                                                            • 27. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                              Rhiannon Miller Community Member

                                                              I have this problem also, quite regularly, in both CS5 and CS5.5.  As far as I can tell, it happens reproducibly when a paragraph with span columns applied is shifted (either by adding more text above it or by changing the size of the text frame) onto the following page where there is a frame with text wrap applied.  These may not be the only conditions under which it occurs, but it's quite reproducible if you set it up like that.

                                                               

                                                              I can supply a bare-bones, freshly created InDesign file showing this problem if anyone wants it.

                                                              • 28. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                allisonblake Community Member

                                                                Was there any update to this problem? Was Matthew able to identify the cause of the problem?

                                                                • 29. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                  E Diane King Community Member

                                                                  As far as I know, Adobe closed the case on this without any suggestions on how to fix corrupted files. I still have files that demonstrate the issue but they are all files that have the corruption "baked in."  I believe Rhiannon struck the nail on the head with the observation that it has something to do with the span columns feature. Every instance I can think of where I've seen the issue, at least one of the styles in use in the textbox experiencing the problem had a span or split column override built into the style.

                                                                  • 30. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                    Haven't heard anything more since last summer. If there was a fix, it would have most likley been included in the CS5.5 upgrade. There hasn't been any newly released patch for CS5.

                                                                    • 31. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                      John McCustion

                                                                      I am still having this problem in CS5, for what it's worth.

                                                                      • 32. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                        Rhiannon Miller Community Member

                                                                        It's still there in CS5.5 too. I sent Matthew my file back in August, but haven't heard anything more. I don't know if he's still looking for examples?

                                                                         

                                                                        In the meantime, I've seriously scaled back my use of span columns. Which is a pity, as the 'space before/after span' feature is great for consistently spacing a group of paragraphs of a particular style (e.g. bullet lists) apart from the rest of the text, even when you're not using multiple columns. Would love to see this fixed.

                                                                        • 33. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                          ickledotuk Community Member

                                                                          I've got CS5-5 too. It's driving me mad. I'm no expert but I've been using the program for a number of years to design flyers, brochures, posters and short booklets. Now I'm on my first magazine and I thought all the new balanced paragraph features would make the job a breeze - it hasn't! So, I have an A4 sized page with a two columned text frame that fills it (also have text flowing onto next page if that's relevant). Body text is 10pt with 12pt leading. All good so far. I used balanced paragraphs at first to have the two columns of text lining up horizontally. Looked good. However, as soon as I drop an image into the mix, the width of a  column (bottom left of page), simple text wrap, the text changes in  a most unsatisfactory way. Text above will not come down to meet the top of the image no matter what  I put in the text wrap measurements or which type of wrap I use. Also the text to the right of the image no longer goes down to the bottom of the text frame.

                                                                          I then turned off the balanced paragraphs feature and used a baseline grid instead, taking up several of the suggestions in this forum and also using advice elsewhere on the net. Useful in a sense as it helped me to learn more about what the grid does but I am still left with my problem.

                                                                          I may be wrong but I don't think I'm asking the program to do anything complicated. It's not as if the text has to wrap all round the object. I know I could achieve the effect I want by using single column text frames and getting the text to flow from one to the other but surely this isn't how it should be? If you like I can send screen shots but I'm not sure that would help. I'm writing this in the morning in the UK so I know many of you will still be sleeping. However, as soon as you've had your first coffee of the day, perhaps you could give me a bit of help? Needless to say, any advice anyone could offer would be very gratefully accepted.

                                                                           

                                                                          Best wishes to all,

                                                                           

                                                                          John

                                                                          • 34. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                            E Diane King Community Member

                                                                            Your issue is something different from the topic of this thread. You might get better response if you start a new discussion. This is an old and almost abandoned thread mostly followed by those of us still waiting for Adobe to fix a barely acknowledged bug in CS 5 and 5.5.  I believe that none of the more helpful forum pros follow it anymore because they can't help us with the bug.

                                                                            • 35. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                              Rhiannon Miller Community Member

                                                                              This seems to be a different problem from the one we're all talking about. Your text is still wrapping around your object, isn't it? just not correctly. We're talking about a problem where the text wrap is ignored entirely. If you start a separate thread, we can discuss your problem there. I don't mean to seem rude, but I want to make sure Adobe knows and remembers that this specific bug is genuine, and I fear that diluting this discussion with other problems or bugs will get in the way of that.

                                                                              • 36. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                                E Diane King Community Member

                                                                                Rhiannon,

                                                                                 

                                                                                I just sent an email to Matt Laun at Adobe to ask him if they were still working on this bug. I let him know we were still hanging out on this thread really wanting some developer feedback.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Diane

                                                                                • 37. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                                  ickledotuk Community Member

                                                                                  Hello Rhiannon and Diane

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Thank you for you speedy replies and, now you have pointed it out, I can see the difference between your issue and the one I have highlighted. I'll do as you suggest and start a new thread. In the meantime, best wishes with your quest to have your problem acknowledged and solved.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Best wishes

                                                                                   

                                                                                  John

                                                                                  • 38. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                                    E Diane King wrote:

                                                                                    I believe that none of the more helpful forum pros follow it anymore because they can't help us with the bug.

                                                                                    I'd like to think I'm one of those "more helpful pros" and I'm still here, but you're right about not being able to do anything more. Bugs are not something we mere users can fix, only work around, and I have no better solutions to offer for that.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: CS5 text wrap fails randomly
                                                                                      E Diane King Community Member

                                                                                      Of course you're one of the more helpful pros, and I realized after I posted that reply that you had posted recently in the thread, so my apologies for slandering you unintentionally. However, I still think John would get more visibility posting a new discussion.

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