9 Replies Latest reply: Jan 26, 2011 11:11 AM by julian-black RSS

    Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution

    julian-black

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      Having recently decided to upgrade all my design software, I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I was (and still am) to find that after spending £231.12 GBP on buying Photoshop CS5 (upgrade from CS2) I'm unable to "Save As" and access some other features on my Acer Ferrari One due to the minimum screen resolution requirement. And before you start preaching that I should have checked, blah, blah, blah, and that it's my own fault then I only have 2 words for you: F*** O**!!! Why am I reacting like this? Simples, both Photoshop CS2 and Dreamweaver CS5 (for a mere £219.95 GBP) work fine on the very same netbook without any problems!!!

       

      Having spent hours upon hours browsing the tinternet (a.k.a. world wide web) and finding countless of people in the same boat as me making futile attempts to get Photoshop CS5 to work on a smaller screen resolution (the most common being 1024x600), it seems that short of changing the screen it will not work properly.

       

      Allow me therefore to put the following questions to the developers/coders of Photoshop CS5:

      1. Why do Photoshop CS2 and Dreamweaver CS5 work on the same netbook without fail yet Photoshop CS5 won't (unable to "Save As", can't see full screen of the "Save for Web" screen, etc.)?! WHY??? And please don't start with the lame excuse that they are different programs for different purposes because at the end of the day it's the same company. You don't buy a Mercedes C-Class and a Mercedes S-Class to find that the steering works on 1 but not the other, do you?!

      2. Are your heads so far up your place where the sun don't shine that you have forgotten about the fact that people FIRST pick a PC/Mac/Laptop/Notebook/Netbook and ONLY THEN PICK SOFTWARE?

      3. Do you want people to keep buying your software?

       

      If the answer to question 3 (above) is YES, then PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT, get your act together and do something about these issues, pronto. Else, rest assured you will lose custom to the competition (e.g Corel) - even loyalists like myself (who started & stuck with Photoshop since 1997 - that's 14 YEARS OF LOYALTY should one be incapable of doing the math). In this day & age any company would be wise not to make mistakes which could cost it market share - Adobe is making that mistake with Photoshop right now!!!

       

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        • 1. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
          Community Member

          Do not expect your message in this user to user forum to be heard by Adobe.Try using the contact links found all over Adobe.com.

          julian-black wrote:

           

          ...3. Do you want people to keep buying your software?...

           

          Not speaking for Adobe, I would expect that they want intelligent people to keep buying their software. They also make Photoshop Elements for someone like you. Photoshop is a professional image editing application used by professionals. Professionals do not pick up a cheap low-power netbook to do their image editing. Casting the concept of 'professional' aside, Adobe expects buyers to be literate to notice the system requirements prior to paying large sums.

           

          If all that you are doing is web design, you should be using GIMP, which is free, requires much less resources, and is better suited for preparing web images (PNG8 with alpha anyone?).

           

          RE: rants... GIGO

          • 2. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
            Noel Carboni Community Member

            I happen to agree with you, and I can't imagine why Adobe has allowed this issue to remain open through 3 product updates.  Do they not realize that even if part of the dialog is off-screen that people could still actually operate it e.g., through the keyboard?

             

            The funny part is the minimum sized Save As dialog, on a system that's got a sufficient vertical pixel count, is only a hair over 600 pixels high (632 including the chrome on my system), and it's pretty easy to see how it could be collapsed vertically to as small as 500ish pixels just by reducing the height of the file window below its current minimum.

             

            SaveAsDialogMinimumSize.jpg

             

            -Noel

            • 3. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
              Mylenium MVP

              Professionals do not pick up a cheap low-power netbook to do their image editing.

               

              Yupp....  Though, to be fair, the ever growing screen resolution requirements make me dread the day when even a 24inch screen won't be enough to even install the tools...

               

              Mylenium

              • 4. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                JJMack MVP

                julian-black wrote:

                 

                <START OF RANT>

                 

                Having spent hours upon hours browsing the tinternet (a.k.a. world wide web) and finding countless of people in the same boat as me making futile attempts to get Photoshop CS5 to work on a smaller screen resolution (the most common being 1024x600), it seems that short of changing the screen it will not work properly.

                 

                 

                Why are trying to get Photoshop work on a display that is smaller then the programs was designed for. Adobe publishes screen requirements.  Next you'll want it to run on a iPod Nano so you can have it on hand all the time.

                 

                 

                Minimum system requirements

                Windows®

                2GHz or faster processor*

                Microsoft® Windows® XP with Service Pack 3, Windows® Vista® Home Premium, Business, Ultimate, or Enterprise with Service Pack 2, Windows® Vista® 64-bit or Windows® 7

                1GB of RAM or more recommended

                1GB of available hard-disk space for installation; additional free space required during installation (Photoshop CS5 cannot be installed on flash-based storage devices.)

                1,024x768 display (1,280x800 recommended) with qualified hardware-accelerated OpenGL® graphics card, 16-bit color and 256MB VRAM

                DVD-ROM drive

                Some 3D features in Adobe Photoshop Extended require an OpenGL 2.0 capable graphics card with at least 256MB of VRAM (512MB VRAM is recommended)

                Shader Model 3.0

                Some features in Bridge rely on DirectX9 capable graphics card with at least 128MB of VRAM

                QuickTime 7.4.5 required for multimedia features

                Broadband Internet connection required for online services

                *SSE2-enabled processor required for AMD systems

                 

                Mac OS X

                Multicore Intel® processor

                Mac OS X v10.5.7 minimum is required; Mac OS v10.6.2 is recommended; 32-bit and 64-bit systems (You may need to run 32-bit in order to run 32-bit only plug-ins.)

                1GB of RAM or more recommended

                2GB of available hard-disk space for installation; additional hard-disk space required during installation (Photoshop CS5 cannot be installed on a volume that uses a case-sensitive file system or on flash-based storage devices.)

                1,024x768 display (1,280x800 recommended) with qualified hardware-accelerated OpenGL® graphics care, 16-bit color and 256MB VRAM

                DVD-ROM drive

                Some 3D features in Adobe Photoshop Extended require an OpenGL 2.0 capable graphics card with at least 256MB of VRAM (512MB VRAM is recommended)

                Shader Model 3.0

                QuickTime 7.4.5 required for multimedia features

                Broadband Internet connection required for online services

                 

                 

                <Just keep on RANTING if it make you feel GOOD>

                 

                 

                CS2 Works the Problem is all YOU 

                 

                So same to you and you foul mouth.

                 

                 

                Why blame Adobe Why not your net book maker fot not allowing you to set a resolution more then the display has. I have worked on machines the could the just scroll the display over the larger image that way you can see the whole image.  CS5 would work on a machine like that.

                • 5. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                  I think he means to insult Adobe, and not we fellow users.

                   

                  It would of course be better to maintain decorum, though, even while ranting.  But does a rant really demand a sharp response?  Rise above it and just don't say anything if you really have nothing to add.

                   

                  To Julian:  You should return the software for a refund ASAP before you're stuck with it for good.

                   

                  -Noel

                  • 6. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                    JJMack MVP

                    OK Noel I added its the netbook's fault for not providing virtual display support then CS5 would run but thenl CS2 would most likely still run better and cause them to rant on.

                    • 7. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                      Hobotor Community Member

                      1. Serious ps users make sure their hardware meets their program's system requirements.

                      2. If you decide to buy you bigger Mercedes and it won't fit into your garage anymore, I'd say that's your own fault.

                      3. ALL software evolves, if you insist on using your old hardware, stick with the programs that were built to run on your old gear.

                      • 8. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                        julian-black Community Member

                        <Start of Reply>

                         

                         

                         

                        Why are trying to get Photoshop work on a display that is smaller then the programs was designed for. Adobe publishes screen requirements.  Next you'll want it to run on a iPod Nano so you can have it on hand all the time.

                         

                         

                        <Just keep on RANTING if it make you feel GOOD>

                         

                         

                        CS2 Works the Problem is all YOU

                         

                        So same to you and you foul mouth.

                         

                         

                        Why blame Adobe Why not your net book maker fot not allowing you to set a resolution more then the display has. I have worked on machines the could the just scroll the display over the larger image that way you can see the whole image.  CS5 would work on a machine like that. Of course I want it always at hand!!! Do you even live in this world?! Have you noticed for example that phones have better cameras than the best camera available en masse 5 years ago let alone longer e.g. 10 years ago? Note how small it is!!!

                         

                        Of course I want to edit my pictures using the program of my choice and 14 years ago I did make that choice choosing PS, hence the decision to purchase the Acer Ferrari One - CS2 works like a charm.

                         

                        As to the point that I'm problematic, please read my post carefully before making statements that make you come across as foolish.

                         

                         

                         

                        Hobotor wrote:

                         

                        1. Serious ps users make sure their hardware meets their program's system requirements.

                        2. If you decide to buy you bigger Mercedes and it won't fit into your garage anymore, I'd say that's your own fault.

                        3. ALL software evolves, if you insist on using your old hardware, stick with the programs that were built to run on your old gear.

                         

                         

                        1. OLD Hardware?! Please do your homework before replying. The Acer Ferrari One was released beginning of last year and is a top of the range netbook - more powerful than any netbook out there and any laptop that is over 2 years old. FACT! Even some of the new laptops benchmarked could not out-do this little beast. FACT!

                        2. Unless one is buying a Mercedes Van or Truck it will fit in the garage (even the ML320 fits) - CS2 fits and so do other Adobe CS3 & CS4 products. So why not the PS CS5 - its no a Van or Truck. In fact it's more comparable to an S-Class.

                        3. Hardware also evolves - it's getting smaller and more powerful. I could run PS on the water-cooled, Phenom X4 & NVidia GeForce 9800 GX2 powered stationary PC connected to a 32" LCD by HDMI, running Linux Mint 10 x64/Windows 7 x64 (dual boot) with MacOS X running virtually by use of VMWare on both. Instead I choose to be mobile editing my pics as soon as I have taken them (patience is not always a virtue)! As humans we also need to evolve and judging by most of the replies so far it's not looking good for human evolution (albeit some replies do make valid & intelligent arguments and are as such well received).

                         

                         

                        Noel Carboni wrote:

                         

                        I think he means to insult Adobe, and not we fellow users.

                         

                        It would of course be better to maintain decorum, though, even while ranting.  But does a rant really demand a sharp response?  Rise above it and just don't say anything if you really have nothing to add.

                         

                        To Julian:  You should return the software for a refund ASAP before you're stuck with it for good.

                         

                        -Noel

                         

                         

                        You are right: I do mean to offend Adobe and hope they are offended!!! However, do accept my apologies for losing composure (and my manners along with it). Unfortunately, in this day and age it seems to be the only way to reach the audience of those who can assist with problem resolution of this kind. That is of course unless the very same decide to provide the PS CS5 source code which would enable me to address the issue at hand without the need to contact Adobe or rant.

                         

                         

                        Marian Driscoll wrote:

                         

                        Not speaking for Adobe, I would expect that they want intelligent people to keep buying their software. They also make Photoshop Elements for someone like you. Photoshop is a professional image editing application used by professionals. Professionals do not pick up a cheap low-power netbook to do their image editing. Casting the concept of 'professional' aside, Adobe expects buyers to be literate to notice the system requirements prior to paying large sums.

                         

                        If all that you are doing is web design, you should be using GIMP, which is free, requires much less resources, and is better suited for preparing web images (PNG8 with alpha anyone?).

                         

                        RE: rants... GIGO

                         

                         

                        In fact, it would be better for you not to speak at all considering your assumptious and pompous nature. Adobe will pay attention to this post as long as it attracts traffic (you can find a simple explanation of the term 'traffic' in this context using this link). As to your ideology of the professional image editor, it is of little interest here and beside the point. Thus, please refrain from participating any further in this discussion while not in a capacity to speak on behalf of Adobe or offer anything other than remarkable insights into what one should or should not use for image editing.

                         

                         

                        If I have not replied to anyone, please accept my apologies - I will find the time to do so another day but I wouldn't want miss Love Never Dies at the Adelphi now would I.

                         

                        Good night and good luck

                         

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                        • 9. Re: Photoshop CS5 Screen Resolution
                          Community Member

                          julian-black wrote:

                           

                          ...Thus, please refrain from participating any further in this discussion while not in a capacity to speak on behalf of Adobe or offer anything other than remarkable insights into what one should or should not use for image editing.

                          That's kind of why you are silly for posting in this user to user forum. You're not going to get anyone from Adobe to reply to your insanity and you're not going to get Adobe to change the minimum system requirements. I'm not telling you that you are using the wrong machine for image editing. Adobe is. This aint rocket science.