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1. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
99jon Jan 22, 2011 10:19 AM (in response to DAXSR)It works OK but it’s not perfect and needs some training to develop a recognition pattern.
In the Organizer click on View and make sure Show People Recognition is checked.
You can select a bunch and click on Find >>Find People for Tagging
This tutorial may help:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-photoshop-elements-9/using-people-recognition/
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2. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
DAXSR Jan 23, 2011 8:04 AM (in response to 99jon)99jon,
I think the problem is more advanced than that. I've already seen the tutorial. People recognition is not functioning anything like that. The tutorial is for when it is properly functioning. It just asks me "Who is this?" and never asks is this so and so as in the tutorial. It doesn't matter whether I select the entire catelog or only a few photos. I have show people recognition checked too. When I click fing people for tagging it tells me everyone is tagged.
The fact still remains it tells me everyone is labeled when they are not, including when I import new photos into my catelog, which obviously haven't been labeled.
Have any other suggestions?
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3. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
brianwrx Jan 24, 2011 7:14 PM (in response to DAXSR)I'm experiencing the same problem. Facial recognition used to work fine, then I reinstalled windows 7 on my machine (got a SSD for Christmas). I manually copied the catalog from the previous installation because I didn't trust the backup. Everything is fine in the catalog except I get the same "no unlabelled people in your selection" message that you are getting. This message is BS because when I look at the photos, PSEo is boxing people's faces and asking "who is this?". But it doesn't suggest anyone like it used to. I can only manually assign a name tag.
I'll let you know if I can figure it out. May have to contact Adobe support.
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4. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
pse user Jan 24, 2011 9:32 PM (in response to DAXSR)Have you turned off the People Recognition settings from the Preferences ? If yes , then please turn it on. Also , try seletcting the newly imported photos and then select People Recognition button. Let me know what happens.
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5. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
DAXSR Jan 25, 2011 5:29 AM (in response to pse user)People recognition is not turned off in preferences. From my earlier post:
The fact still remains it tells me everyone is labeled when they are not, including when I import new photos into my catelog, which obviously haven't been labeled.
It is saying everyone on the newly imported photos is labeled.
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6. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
brianwrx Jan 25, 2011 5:42 AM (in response to pse user)Same here. I even tried disabling it and running facial recognition manually to see if that would get Organizer out of its state.
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7. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
DAXSR Jan 28, 2011 8:14 PM (in response to brianwrx)Well I think there is a corrupt file in people recognition. I took a photo that was tagged with my wife and hit the right arrow next to her name so it would bring up other tagged photos with her and what I found is that, on its own, organizer(analyzer) tagged her photos multiple times in areas that are not her face. I exlcuded the areas that were not her face but then it woud just retag the photos again. It did this to some degree with my son also.Basically, every photos where I have tagged my wife has 5 to 6 additional areas tagged with her name some of which are just background.
I am going to try picasa and see how their face recognition compares. I'm really disappointed because people recognition was one of the main reasons I bought PSE. If you come up with any suggestions to fix this problem let me know. It appears no one from Adobe or tech support monitors these forums.
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8. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
DAXSR Feb 1, 2011 6:50 PM (in response to DAXSR)Here is my latest progress. First I tried deleting all people tags to see if this would solve the problem but erasing the recognition data. Still read no unlabeled people.
Next I removed files from the catalog and reimported them. Same problem still remained.
So I uninstalled PSE and PRE and all other apps that came with them and then reinstalled only PRE. I started to import photos again, same problem still.
Finally, I created a new catalog. I began importing photos one folder at a time and tagging. This seems to have solved the problem thus far, but I'm only through about 200 of 8000 photos. It appears something in my other catalog is corrupt. Hopefully, it doesn't happen again. Otherwise, I will be using different software to organize photos.
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9. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
stuti1981 Feb 1, 2011 9:52 PM (in response to brianwrx)The problem has occured as you manually copied the catalog. Did you copy the entire catalog folder including the BreezeData folder. Just copying the catalog file is not enough and backup and restore is the right way to go. You can try copying the entire catalog folder and then try People Recognition. Is it possible for you do a full backup and restore for the catalog? If so, that would be the best option so that you don't corrupt your catalog.
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10. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
stuti1981 Feb 1, 2011 10:08 PM (in response to DAXSR)The dialog box that comes up on clicking on right arrow next to the name, provides a fast way to tag all pictures of that particular person. It has two tabs, one is "Confirmed" which shows all the tagged pictures of that person. The other tab is "Uncofirmed" where it shows suggestions for that person and asks for confirmation. By default it opens in Unconfirmed Tab. So the organizer has not tagged any photos on its own. It is just suggesting more inbstances of that person and yes, it could be wrong in some cases. Just cross out those instances and hit Save. If you want to all pictures of your wife which you have tagged, you can go to "Confirmed" tab and check them out.
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11. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
stuti1981 Feb 1, 2011 10:11 PM (in response to DAXSR)The message "No unlabeled people found in your selection" is valid only for your current selection. Can you select an image which has some unlabeled people and go to the people recognition workflow, and check if you get the same message?
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12. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
sammygz Mar 18, 2011 7:53 AM (in response to stuti1981)Nothing I have tried takes care of the "no unlabelled people in your selection" problem. I am wits end. I import a brand new picture and hit the find people icon, and get "no unlabelled people in your selection" message.
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13. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 18, 2011 2:54 PM (in response to sammygz)Try this...
Turn of all automatic media-anlaysis options (Edit->Preferences->Media Analysis, no checkmarks in "Analyze Photos for People Automatically" or "Analyze Media for Smart Tags Automatically")
Exit PsE.
Reboot the computer
Restart PsE.
Import a photo with faces.
Select the newly imported photo.
Click on the people recognition icon.
PrE should come back and with a dialog stating it is analyzing the photo.
PrE should now ask you "Which of these peopel woudl you like to label?"
Hit cancel.
Double click the imported photo to show full screen.
Boxes should be around all faces in the photos.
Let me know what the results are.
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14. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
DAXSR Mar 18, 2011 7:07 PM (in response to sammygz)The only solution that worked for me was to create a brand new catalog and begin importing the pictures into that new catalog. I just deleted the old catalog. With the new catalog instead of importing all 8000 of my photos at once as I did the first time, I am importing my photos one folder at a time. I have my pictures in separate folders separated by month so I am improting about 100-150 photos at a time and tagging them as I import. So far I have imported 1400 and people recognition is working fine.
Also, I am only tagging the photos that have a clear face shot. If there is an angled shot you can drag the photo to the person's name so it will keyword tag it without using face recognition. My guess is that tagging too many shots that are not direct is what corrupts the functionality of the software.
Let me know if this works for you. All the other suggestions offered did not work for me because I do not think those people have experienced the same problem we have.
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15. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 18, 2011 10:22 PM (in response to DAXSR)I know PsE 9.0 and 9.01 has a memory leak which will cause auto media-analysis to stop working after a certain number of photos are processed. This is why I recommend you shut it off and manually do the analysis on smaller subset of photos. With 17,000 photos in my catalog, auto-analysis would start to fail after processing 8,000 photos. Then it simply would not work any longer. No error messages or anything.
It can also fail with a smaller subset of photos as auto-analysis will re-run after new batches have been added to the catalog. This causes the whole catalog to be re-scanned and the memory leak just builds up.
I don't know if it affects face-recognition so try it out and see if this fixes your issue.
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16. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
sammygz Mar 19, 2011 1:26 PM (in response to rdnelson)It didn't work for me.
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17. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 19, 2011 1:46 PM (in response to sammygz)I am also fighting the same problems. Tried the suggestion by RDNelson #13 with No Success. Not impressed with ADOBE's response so far. I have not tried the new catalog procedure yet because I do not want to get 90% finished and have it fail again. Thank you to all that have responded and I wonder how many others are reading but not joining in?
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18. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
NVpianotuner Mar 19, 2011 2:08 PM (in response to Flagelpater)I started a new thread before discovering this one. I've got a little over 40,000 images in my catalog, and People Revognition went belly-up on me a week ago. Same "No unlabeled people" message as others have reported. Moreover, when I start typing in a name at the "Who is this?" prompt, the software no longer suggests a name as I begin with the first few letters.
This is a huge drag. I have read the suggestions from others about reconstructing the catalog. But with so huge a catalog, around 75 Gb, I'm not enthusiastic about going through this, especially if no one is sure it will work.
IIs there nothing else to try?
Thanks...
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19. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 19, 2011 6:28 PM (in response to NVpianotuner)I know it worked at first. I started with the Demo Version. I do not remember it working properly with the full version from the CD. I also have problems with some functions in the Editor that I know worked in the Demo Version. I was wondering if the problem comes from loading the CD version without first removing the Demo. I have since removed the software and reinstalled it without any change. I also removed all catalogs and repopulated it, all at once, without any change. I did not know about repopulating one folder at a time when I did it. Adobe needs to step up to the plate. Their having their head buried in the sand is not helping their reputation.
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20. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 20, 2011 12:03 AM (in response to Flagelpater)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
Flagelpater wrote:
I am also fighting the same problems. Tried the suggestion by RDNelson #13 with No Success. Not impressed with ADOBE's response so far. I have not tried the new catalog procedure yet because I do not want to get 90% finished and have it fail again. Thank you to all that have responded and I wonder how many others are reading but not joining in?
Can you tell me what is happening after you tried my suggestions. Are you still getting "No unlabled people found in your selection" when pressing the Start people recognition button?
I may have duplicated this issue. I will ask that you investigate something else. First, some background information...
Running face recognition makes an entry in the catalog. In addition it creates a file for every photo which face recognition is run on. This file is placed in the BreezeData directory under the catalog directory. I was able to duplicate the issue where the propmt "No unlabled people found in your selection" by write protecting the BreezeData directory.
Possibly, there are issues with this directory on your system. I just helped someone else who had directory permissions on the .dat files which caused other issues. Possibly there are permission problems in this directory? Or, could this directory contain too many files (NTFS volumes should allow for a very large amount of files)?
This is what I would like you to check...
1) Check to make sure the security settings are set to "Full Control" on the BreezeData directory.
a) Right click on the BreezeData directory from the Windows Explorer
b) Click on the Security tab
c) Click on the Advanced button
d) Click on the Effective Permissions tab
e) Click on "Select..."
f) Type in the user name which is currently logged in or the user name you wish to check permissions on in the box "Enter the object name to select (examples):
g) Press the "Ok" button.
f) Review the checkboxes in the "Effective permissions" list to ensure there is a checkbox next to all items in the list.
If you don't have sufficent permissions, then add full control to the desired users. You may want to verify that the catalog and all content under the catalog is set to Full Control. Make sure to exit the Organizer and restart before you try face recognition again.
2) If 1) does not indicate any problems, see if you can actually navigate to the BreezeData directory.
a) How many files are in this directory?
b) Can you open up any file?
c) Can you create a temporary file such as a word document or even a text file with Notepad?
Note that the same thing happens for media-analysis except for a file is created in the CAXMPFiles directory for every photo analyzed.
I hope this helps. I'm not sure I can help you beyond this and it would be best to contact Adobe directly to report this.
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21. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 20, 2011 7:50 AM (in response to rdnelson)When I do a search for the BreezeData folder there is none found! However, I think I have found what should have been in that folder. What I found is in a folder named New Folder within My Pictures. It contains files like B0000000 and B0000012 etc. Maybe the BreezeData name was never assigned? Am I even looking where you need me to look? Thank you for the help.
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22. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 20, 2011 8:17 AM (in response to Flagelpater)The folder you found containing the B00... files sounds like a Organzer backup folder. To find your catalog, please do the following:
1) Open the Organizer.
2) Click on the "Help" menu.
3) Click on the "System Info..." submenu
4) Look under "Current Catalog:" and you will find the path to the catalog in "Catalog Location:"
The catalog directory should have at least a file named "catalog.pse9db" for PsE 9. The number in the extension is changed for every major version so it would be "catalog.pse8db" for PsE 8.
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23. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 20, 2011 9:12 AM (in response to rdnelson)I found my way to the folder. All seems to be okay there. Over 30,000 files present. Thank you for your help
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24. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 20, 2011 9:54 AM (in response to Flagelpater)Interesting. That is a bunch of files. What is the exact count?
Sorry to debug this remotely but it would be really nice if you can help narrow down this issue further before I (and others) start to see it too!
I'm wondering if the organizer has trouble handling so many files. You can try this. I would recommend a backup before doing so.
Copy the catalog directory and contents into a complete new directory. For example, if your catalog is called "Family" then there should be a directory called Family which contains the files we have been discussing. Copy this directory to a new directory called "Test".
Now, go into the organizer and select the "Test" catalog as the new catalog. Make sure auto-analysis and face-recognition are turned off.
Exit the organizer.
Go into the "Test" directory and delete all files in the BreezeData directory but don't delete the BreezeData directory. You may also want to delete the CAXMPFiles directory content.
(NEVER delete the BreezeData and CAXMPFiles in your working catalog!!! The organizer will stop working!)
Restart the organizer and try to import a new photo. Try to run the people recognition.
If this doesn't work, then exit the organizer.
Now delete the BreezeData and CAXMPFiles directories completely from the "Test" directory.
Try again... restart the organizer and try to import a new photo. Try to run the people recognition.
You may also want to try and repair the catalog after these directories have been removed and try the people recognition again.
Now I have really exhaused any other ideas. Again, it would be great if you could narrow this down a little further. I'm sure more of us will start to run into problems as we continue to use PsE and the organizer. After you have tried this out let me know. I think there will be enough information to submit a bug report to Adobe.
After you have tried the above steps, make sure you point Organizer back to the original catalog. It should work as before, You can safely remove the Test directory.
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25. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 20, 2011 11:17 AM (in response to rdnelson)I followed your directions. Test is now working as I think is normal! Thank You. I did remove all files within BreezeData CAXMPF folders. The total number of files is more than double the number of photos I think I have in the catalog. Also, I did not need to import a new photo. It works on those already within the folder. I will now try to delete the files within the original catalog and see if that works okay. Again, thank you for sticking with me. Flagelpater
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26. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 20, 2011 1:00 PM (in response to Flagelpater)The total number of files was 31076 and I believe this is about double what I have in the catalog. Sorry I forgot to answer this question. Flagelpater
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27. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 20, 2011 2:44 PM (in response to Flagelpater)I would not recommend you delete the BreezeData folder or files in your working catalog!!!! This is why I asked you to work on a copy.
You will really mess things up as the Organizer expects these files to exist. For example, if you attempt to manually add a face to an existing analyzed photo the Organizer will crash.
What this tells me is that the Organizer has issues with a large number of files OR the the BreezeSession.dat file has become corrupt.
I would suggest with this information we talk to Adobe to report this issue and to get their recommendations on what to do next. Send me a private message and we can go from there.
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28. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
sammygz Mar 20, 2011 3:08 PM (in response to rdnelson)Please keep me posted as well.
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29. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
NVpianotuner Mar 20, 2011 5:05 PM (in response to sammygz)And me as well! Thank you, guys, for blazing the trail.
Quoting sammygz <forums@adobe.com>:
Please keep me posted as well.
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30. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 21, 2011 12:49 PM (in response to NVpianotuner)All of you who are gettting "No unlabeled people found in your selection" during people recognition, could you please do me a favor and answer the following questions?
1. How many photos are in your catalog? (Filter out everything except photos in the Organizer and look at the lower left of the screen)
2. How many files are in the BreezeData directory under your catalog? (Right click on the BreezeData folder in the windows explorer and click on Properties.
Go into the BreezeData directory with the windows explorer for the next two questions...
3. What is the time, date, and size of the BreezeSession.dat file?
4. Sort by file date, and provide me with the filename of the newest created file other than BreezeSession.dat. It should be something like breeze-n.xml where n is a number.
Thanks! I'll collect this and submit a bug report to Adobe.
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31. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 21, 2011 1:19 PM (in response to rdnelson)Flagelpater
16607 Photos and 31076 files
3/21/2011 11:50 AM 68k = breezeSession
3/21/2011 11:49 5K " breeze-26902 "
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32. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
sammygz Mar 21, 2011 1:51 PM (in response to rdnelson)1. 12778
2. 13936
3. 10:02PM 3/21/2011 369KB
4. breeze-13934.xml
Thanks for the help.
-Sammy
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33. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 21, 2011 10:40 PM (in response to sammygz)Flagelpater and sammygz...
Thanks for the information you are providing.
sammygz - I would have expected your breeze directory size to be close to the size of FlageIpater if the issue was common with large directory size. Did you try to check the security settings on the BreezeData directory?
Flagelpater - Can you look at the BreezeData directory again? The numbers aren't matching up. This is my fault in my instructions as apparently a file in the middle of the sequence has a later date that what I expected. The breeze-n.xml file is apparently written to as you tag faces which have previously been identified. Possibly the best way to look at this is to sort by file extension and verify there are only two types of files in this directory. Then sort by name, verify the first entry is breeze.xml and the last is breeze-31074. What is the time and date of the last file? Also, the breezeSession.dat file seems very small for this many entries. Is there any chance that this directory was removed in the past? Or did you ever move the catalog?
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34. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
NVpianotuner Mar 22, 2011 7:33 AM (in response to rdnelson)Dear rdnelson,
My data per your request...
Organizer shows catalog size: 37.313 files
Breezedata shows catalog size: 48,662 files, 81.2 Mb
BreezeSession.dat shows date modified of today, file size 4.33 Mb
last data file in directory is breeze48660.xml
Hope this helps! Thanks for much.
NVpianotuner
Quoting rdnelson <forums@adobe.com>:
All of you who are gettting "No unlabeled people found in your
selection" during people recognition, could you please do me a favor
and answer the following questions?
1. How many photos are in your catalog? (Filter out everything
except photos in the Organizer and look at the lower left of the
screen)
2. How many files are in the BreezeData directory under your
catalog? (Right click on the BreezeData folder in the windows
explorer and click on Properties.
Go into the BreezeData directory with the windows explorer for the
next two questions...
3. What is the time, date, and size of the BreezeSession.dat file?
4. Sort by file date, and provide me with the filename of the newest
created file other than BreezeSession.dat. It should be something
like breeze-n.xml where n is a number.
Thanks! I'll collect this and submit a bug report to Adobe.
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35. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
sammygz Mar 22, 2011 11:10 AM (in response to rdnelson)The security settings are fine.
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36. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
rdnelson Mar 22, 2011 12:53 PM (in response to sammygz)NVpianotuner, sammygz, and Flagelpater...
This is what I have found out so far. It appears that the Organizer is not closing out the breezeSession.dat file until the Organizer is been closed. What does this mean? Let's say you run people analysis. The .xml file is created and the tags are added in the catalog. You exit the organizer and breezeSession.dat is updated with the results. Now, do the same thing again but the power goes out before you exit the Organizer. Everything is updated except for breezeSession.dat -- basically meaning things are out of sync. It is just a theory at this point as I have no idea what is in the breezeSession.dat file and it's purpose. I know the Organizer gets messed up if it isn't there.
I have notice that you can rebuild this. Have any of you tried it? Please try it if you have not. I would recommend a backup of the catalog directory contents (including subdirectories) before trying this.
1) Start the Catalog Manager
2) Select another catalog (you can't repair an open catalog).
3) Click on the catalog to be repaired.
4) Click on 'Repair'. This will run a check on the catalog for errors. You may have no errors in which case "No errors were found i nthe catalog" is indicated.
5) Click on the 'Re-index Visual Similarity Data' checkbox to enable it.
6) Click on 'OK'.
Also, I have noticed that you all have current dates on the bereezeSession.dat file and the latest .xml entry. This means that part of the people recognition seems to be working. Just to make sure, please add a media item (containing faces) and run face recognition. Then check the BreezeData directory to make sure a new xml file was created.
Remember not to move your catalogs around when playing around with this. The catalog stores absolute paths to the CAXMPF files -- causing confusion if the path to these directories change. I have also noticed that even the Organizer's backup/restore functionality doesn't correct these paths.
Sorry to keep asking you to try things out. The more ammo the better when sending bug reports to Adobe.
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37. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
Flagelpater Mar 22, 2011 3:48 PM (in response to rdnelson)I am in the middle of generating a new catalog because I think some of the info may have been skewed while we were moving things around.
The new catalog only has 2,000 photos and it just started to act funny.
People recognition was working as advertised for the first few hundred. I loaded new small folders and ran the PR between folders with no problem. Now it is very slow to generate Thumbs, and it demonstrates the old problems as well.
I am going to wait until it finishes with the thumbs before I do anything else.
If I had three photos and previously checked number 2 for people, then selected 1,2 and 3 together and told it to find people would you expect it to treat 1 and 3 the same as 2? That is what it is doing now.
I will update the info you requested from my new catalog when it finishes.
Flagelpater
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38. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
NVpianotuner Mar 22, 2011 4:05 PM (in response to Flagelpater)Dear thread followers,
BREAKTHROUGH!
I created a small test catalog as suggested, and imported perhaps
1,000 files into it. Face recognition began to work, although of
course it had no "knowledge" from the much bigger catalog.
Then, when I returned to Organizer and started it with my old (huge)
catalog, it appeared and appears as if everything is working fine!
Too soon to know for sure. I will dive back in and start working some
more. But for me, getting out of the old catalog into a new small one,
and then returning, appears to have made things better.
I'll report more later.
Quoting Flagelpater <forums@adobe.com>:
I am in the middle of generating a new catalog because I think some
of the info may have been skewed while we were moving things around.
The new catalog only has 2,000 photos and it just started to act funny.
People recognition was working as advertised for the first few
hundred. I loaded new small folders and ran the PR between folders
with no problem. Now it is very slow to generate Thumbs, and it
demonstrates the old problems as well.
I am going to wait until it finishes with the thumbs before I do
anything else.
If I had three photos and previously checked number 2 for people,
then selected 1,2 and 3 together and told it to find people would
you expect it to treat 1 and 3 the same as 2? That is what it is
doing now.
I will update the info you requested from my new catalog when it finishes.
Flagelpater
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39. Re: People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer
NVpianotuner Mar 22, 2011 4:14 PM (in response to Flagelpater)NON-BREAKTHROUGH!
I am embarrassed. I thought I was working with the old, large catalog
and was in fact working with the small, limited size test catalog I
had imported.
Went back to the old one and everything was as before. No joy.
Sorry.
Quoting Flagelpater <forums@adobe.com>:
I am in the middle of generating a new catalog because I think some
of the info may have been skewed while we were moving things around.
The new catalog only has 2,000 photos and it just started to act funny.
People recognition was working as advertised for the first few
hundred. I loaded new small folders and ran the PR between folders
with no problem. Now it is very slow to generate Thumbs, and it
demonstrates the old problems as well.
I am going to wait until it finishes with the thumbs before I do
anything else.
If I had three photos and previously checked number 2 for people,
then selected 1,2 and 3 together and told it to find people would
you expect it to treat 1 and 3 the same as 2? That is what it is
doing now.
I will update the info you requested from my new catalog when it finishes.
Flagelpater
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