30 Replies Latest reply: Mar 21, 2012 5:07 AM by Peter Spier RSS

    Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time

    Chaitangandhi

      I am using Indesign CS3 to generate the bulk reports automatically(programmatically) using Adobe indesign library . One of the key limitation to this tool is it allows to open only one instance at a time unlike word where multiple instances can be opened at the same time. Is there any adobe indesign too version desktop/server which allows to open multiple instances at the same time. Any help on is appreciated. Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
          anilahuja17 Community Member

          Try Window>Arrange>New Window. This should solve your problem if you are trying to open multiple windows of a document.

          • 2. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
            Chaitangandhi Community Member

            Hi,

             

            Thanks for the reply. Window>Arrange>New Window will open new document in

            the same instance. I want to open new Indesign application instance all

            together. If you know the steps for this, kindly let me know. Thanks.

            • 3. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
              Chaitangandhi Community Member

              Hi,

              Thanks for the reply. Window>Arrange>New Window will open new document in the same instance. I want to open new Indesign application instance all together. If you know the steps for this, kindly let me know. Thanks.

               

              Does anybody is using indesign server. Does it allow creating multiple instances at the same time.

               

               

              Regards,

              Chaitan.

              • 4. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                BobLevine UGM

                No, this can't be done. You can only open one instance of InDesign.

                 

                Bob

                • 5. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                  peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                  Chaitangandhi wrote:

                   

                  I am using Indesign CS3 to generate the bulk reports automatically(programmatically) using Adobe indesign library . One of the key limitation to this tool is it allows to open only one instance at a time unlike word where multiple instances can be opened at the same time. Is there any adobe indesign too version desktop/server which allows to open multiple instances at the same time. Any help on is appreciated. Thanks.

                  One possible solution is to install ID on a virtual machine - Parallels, VMware Fusion, etc - on the same system, with the same OS that's on the original machine. At least with Parallels on Mac, either ID on the Mac or Windows side can open and work with files created by the version on the other OS. I can't speculate whether this will permit the kind of interaction you need for your purpose.

                   

                  You might want to examine the End User Licensing Agreement (EULA) for any prohibition against using these two instances at the same time with the same license; the license does permit two installs for the same user that are not used simultaneously. If you want to use a single-user license in the role of a server, also check the EULA.

                   

                  HTH

                   

                  Regards,

                   

                  Peter Gold

                  KnowHow ProServices

                  • 6. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                    What part of non-simultaneous usage is confusing? Opening two instances of the application on the same license at the same time would be a violation.

                    • 7. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                      peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                      P Spier wrote:

                       

                      What part of non-simultaneous usage is confusing? Opening two instances of the application on the same license at the same time would be a violation.

                      Some folks don't know of this limitation. Also, it's worth looking up the issue of using a single license as a server, in the EULA.

                       

                      And, I'd think it is legal to use two or more single-user installations on the same machine, in different virtual machines, if each one has its own license, though there may be the server-usage issue to be resolved.

                       

                      Regards,

                       

                      Peter Gold

                      KnowHow ProServices

                      • 8. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                        Harbs. MVP

                        There are two licensing models for ID Server. One allows for single instances and the other allows for multiple instances.

                         

                        The single instance license is about $20,000, while the multiple instance license is close to $40,000...

                         

                        Not intended for your average desktop user...

                         

                        Harbs

                        • 9. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                          peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                          Harbs. wrote:

                           

                          There are two licensing models for ID Server. One allows for single instances and the other allows for multiple instances.

                           

                          The single instance license is about $20,000, while the multiple instance license is close to $40,000...

                           

                          Not intended for your average desktop user...

                           

                          Harbs

                          A Google search for "InDesign server license agreement" without quotes turns up some interesting links.

                           

                          These two may be useful:

                           

                          http://forums.adobe.com/thread/328674

                           

                          http://www.adobe.com/products/indesignserver/buildsolution/

                           

                          There's a link in one of them to two threads that discuss outputting PostScript to an Acrobat watched folder, which processes the .ps files into PDF. Although it's not mentioned specifically in them, there's the same server issue in Acrobat, namely, a single license can't be used as if it were a server.

                           

                           

                          HTH

                           

                          Regards,

                           

                          Peter

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                          • 10. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                            SuperMacGuy Community Member

                            What exactly are you doing that requires to have multiple instances that could not be done sequentially, or reverting back to the saved document after some script is run? Or perhaps duplicating the document several times? Maybe whatever script you are running could be designed in a different way, to save sets of data or write certain things to temporary text files.

                            • 11. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                              Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                              @PeterG

                               

                              You said "You might want to examine the End User Licensing Agreement (EULA) for  any prohibition against using these two instances at the same time with  the same license; the license does permit two installs for the same user  that are not used simultaneously." I thought that meant you had read the EULA. It's pretty unambiguous on that point.

                               

                              For everyone's edification about multiple installations and server use with a standard license here's the relevant text:

                               

                              2. Software License.
                              If you obtained the Software and any required serial number(s) from Adobe or one of its authorized
                              licensees and as long as you comply with the terms of this agreement, Adobe grants you a non-exclusive
                              license to install and use the Software in a manner consistent with its design and Documentation and as
                              further set forth below. See Section 16 for specific provisions related to the use of certain products and
                              components, for example font software, Acrobat, After Effects, Adobe Presenter, Contribute, Adobe
                              Device Central, Flash Player, Flash Builder, and Adobe Runtimes.

                               

                              2.1 Limited Use. The Software, or portions of the Software, may allow installation and use without a serial
                              number. If so, you may install but not use such non-serialized Software on any number of Computers as
                              part of an organizational deployment plan. Further, you may install and use such non-serialized Software
                              on any number of Computers for demonstration, evaluation and training purposes only and only if any
                              Output Files or other materials produced through such use are used only for internal, non-commercial and
                              non-production purposes. You may not use such non-serialized Software after any applicable time-out
                              period has ended, unless you input a valid serial number under Section 2.2. ACCESS TO AND USE OF
                              ANY OUTPUT FILES CREATED WITH SUCH NON-SERIALIZED SOFTWARE IS ENTIRELY AT
                              YOUR OWN RISK.

                               

                              2.2 General Use. You may install and use one copy of the Software only on the Permitted Number of your
                              compatible Computers into which you enter a valid serial number.

                               

                              2.3 Distribution from Server. You may copy an image of the Software onto Computer file server(s) within
                              your Internal Network for the purpose of downloading and installing the Software onto Computers within
                              the same Internal Network for use as permitted by Section 2.1 and 2.2.

                               

                               

                              2.4 Server Use. You may install the Software on Computer file server(s) within your Internal Network only
                              for use of the Software initiated by an individual from a Computer within the same Internal Network only
                              as permitted by Section 2.2. The total number of users (not the concurrent number of users) able to use the
                              Software on such Computer file server(s) may not exceed the Permitted Number.
                              By way of example, the foregoing does not permit you to install or access (either directly or through
                              commands, data or instructions) the Software: (a) from or to a Computer not part of your Internal Network,
                              (b) for enabling Web hosted workgroups or services available to the public, (c) by any individual or entity
                              to use, download, copy or otherwise benefit from the functionality of the Software unless licensed to do so
                              by Adobe, (d) as a component of a system, workflow or service accessible by more than the Permitted
                              Number of users, or (e) for operations not initiated by an individual user (e.g., automated server
                              processing).

                               

                              2.5 Portable or Home Computer Use. Subject to the important restrictions set forth in Section 2.6, the
                              primary user of the Computer on which the Software is installed under Section 2.2 (“Primary User”) may
                              install a second copy of the Software for his or her exclusive use on either a portable Computer or a
                              Computer located at his or her home, provided that the Software on the portable or home Computer is not
                              used at the same time as the Software on the primary Computer.

                               

                              2.6 Restrictions on Secondary Use by Volume Licensees. If the Software was obtained under an Adobe
                              volume license program (currently known as Adobe Open Options) by any licensee other than an
                              educational volume licensee, the second copy of the Software made under Section 2.5 must be used solely
                              for the benefit and business of that volume licensee. For more information about secondary use by volume
                              licensees, please visit our Web Site at http://www.adobe.com/go/open_options.

                               

                              There is also language stating that if you have a dual boot or other system capable of running more than one OS you will need a separate license for each platform if you want to run the software on more than one.

                              • 12. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                peter at knowhowpro Community Member

                                P Spier wrote:

                                 

                                @PeterG

                                 

                                You said "You might want to examine the End User Licensing Agreement (EULA) for  any prohibition against using these two instances at the same time with  the same license; the license does permit two installs for the same user  that are not used simultaneously." I thought that meant you had read the EULA. It's pretty unambiguous on that point.

                                 

                                For everyone's edification about multiple installations and server use with a standard license here's the relevant text:

                                 

                                snipped  "the relevant text"

                                 

                                There is also language stating that if you have a dual boot or other system capable of running more than one OS you will need a separate license for each platform if you want to run the software on more than one.

                                 

                                Arrrrrghhhhhhh!!!!! This is the reason that I suggest folks check the EULA directly. I don't think there's a human on the planet who can understand this without hearing "is this right?" in the back of their minds. Probably, that's because the lawyers who wrote it, either had that ambiguity as a goal, or who don't know how ambiguous and confusing it really is.

                                 

                                BUT, thanks, Peter S, for posting it.

                                 

                                Regards,

                                 

                                Peter

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                                • 13. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                  MT.Freelance Community Member

                                  What is the reason behind needing multiple instances of the application running with single documents open per instance?

                                   

                                  What is it that makes that different from having a single instance of the applicaiton running with multiple documents open or multiple windows of a single document open?

                                   

                                  • If the need is to tile the documents side by side, that can be managed without a separate instance of the applciation.
                                  • If the need is to have the documents on different monitors, that can be managed without a separate instance of the applicaiton.
                                  • If the need is to have the documents separate so that one can readily toggle between them, that can be managed with keyboard shortcuts (CTRL + Tilde (~) on Win, or CMD+Tilde on Mac) within the application instead of with a separate intstance of the application.

                                   

                                  If there is some other reason, please explain. Someone may be able to help you work out how to make it happen.

                                   

                                  -mt

                                  • 14. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                    Harbs. MVP

                                    FWIW, TLP (AOO) licenses can be installed on both Mac and Windows.

                                     

                                    Harbs

                                    • 15. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                      Joel Cherney MVP

                                      What is the reason behind needing multiple instances of the application running with single documents open per instance?

                                       

                                      My long-shot guess would be: "Years of familiarity with developing in VBA." It is (was? I haven't paid attention in a while) a really normal way of handling automation in Word.

                                      • 16. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                        Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                        peter at knowhowpro wrote:

                                         


                                         

                                         

                                        There is also language stating that if you have a dual boot or other system capable of running more than one OS you will need a separate license for each platform if you want to run the software on more than one.

                                         

                                        Arrrrrghhhhhhh!!!!! This is the reason that I suggest folks check the EULA directly. I don't think there's a human on the planet who can understand this without hearing "is this right?" in the back of their minds. Probably, that's because the lawyers who wrote it, either had that ambiguity as a goal, or who don't know how ambiguous and confusing it really is.

                                         


                                        I don't find that ambiguous at all. It says if you want to run on more than one operating sysstem, you need a license for each operating system (and in fact the actual EU'LA is probably clearer than my summary statement in that regard, but I didnt include it because I thought it was peripheral to your suggestion of running the SAME OS in a second virtual environment, which would be covered by non-simultaneous use).

                                        • 17. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                          Harbs. MVP

                                          The only reason to run multiple instances in InDesign is to handle load balancing. This is a server requirement...

                                          • 18. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                            Chaitangandhi Community Member

                                            I generate more than 2000 reports in Indesign which takes around 5 hours.

                                            Looking at the CPU usage , I can see capacity to run more parellel

                                            processes. This would reduce the time for generating number of reports. I

                                            expect the number to grow to about 4000 report and want to keep the time

                                            frame almost the same. I just cannt do this as Indesign does not let me open

                                            another instance while one instance is alredy running. This means even if I

                                            have server capacity to process more number of parrellel reports, I am

                                            forced to do it in sequence just because of this Indesign limitation. Any

                                            suggestion or work around on this? Thanks.

                                            • 19. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                              Fred Goldman Community Member

                                              Suppose a user needs to run two scripts, each one takes half an hour. The user has InDesign installed on his/her desktop and laptop. I disagree that running one script on the desktop and simultaneously running one script on the laptop would be considered "using" both at one time. The user is not "using" anything, rather he/she is simply waiting for the computer to finish processing the commands. This user might be eating lunch or running errands, how could you possibly consider him/her "using" two installations simultaneously?

                                              • 20. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                Fred,

                                                 

                                                I'm sure the lawyers will tell you that if the application is running it is "in use."

                                                • 21. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                  Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                  Of course, at the moment, there is no communcation between ID and Adobe that would tell tell them that two instances are running simultaneosly on different machines, as far as I know, so it's all on the honor system.

                                                  • 22. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                    MT.Freelance Community Member

                                                    Ah. I think I understand now.

                                                     

                                                    As you create your report, InDesign CS3 is fully occupied. You cannot perform other actions within InDesign while the report is being generated.

                                                     

                                                    You want to open another instance of CS3 so that you can start another report while the first one is being generated.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    With CS5, some tasks have been moved to the background so that you can continue to work while the action is being performed.

                                                     

                                                    Perhaps you can test the demo of CS5 on a non-production machine to see if it will function as you need.

                                                     

                                                    HTH

                                                     

                                                    -mt

                                                    • 23. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                      Joel Cherney MVP
                                                      This means even if I have server capacity to process more number of parrellel reports, I am forced to do it in sequence just because of this Indesign limitation. Any suggestion or work around on this? Thanks.

                                                      Harbs' post number 8 is your best bet.

                                                      • 24. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                        Fred Goldman Community Member

                                                        This brings up another idea. You could run the script on one report in CS4 and another in CS5. According to Peter this might  violate the EULA. (Thinks: according to Peter do you have to quit CS5 every time you want ot open a doc in CS4?).

                                                        • 25. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                          Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                          If your CS5 is an upgrade of the CS4 license, then technically, yes, you probably are not allowed to run them simultaneously, but I'm definitely not coming over to check.

                                                          • 26. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                            Fred Goldman Community Member

                                                            Right, I realize what you are saying, that I probably wouldn't get caught.

                                                             

                                                            But I am trying to bring out a point. Similar to where you wouldn't start quiting CS5 before you launch CS4; although technically you are violating the EULA. You are not violating the spirit of the EULA. Similarly, a user running a script on his/her laptop and desktop is not violating the spirit of the EULA.

                                                            • 27. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                              Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                              Actually, if the program is processing something by running a script on both systems, I think then you ARE violating the spirit as well as the letter of the EULA. The intent is that a single user should be doing work only only one system per license at any time.

                                                              • 28. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                                Fred Goldman Community Member

                                                                But that is my point. The user is not "doing" any work, he is simply waiting for his computer to finish processing all the commands. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

                                                                • 29. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                                  sanjeevmacmillan Community Member

                                                                  Hi,

                                                                   

                                                                  what is the technical difference between below licances.

                                                                   

                                                                  1. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLP CLP LTD 1 INSTAN Per Server)
                                                                  2. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLP CLP LTD MULTI Per Server)
                                                                  3. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLP CLP PREM 1 INSTA Per Server)
                                                                  4. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLP CLP PREM MULTI Per Server)
                                                                  5. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLPCLP DEV LTD1INSTS Per Server)
                                                                  6. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLPCLP DEV LTDMLTSTG Per Server)
                                                                  7. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License (TLPCLP DEV PREM1INST Per Server)
                                                                  8. InDesign Server CS5.5 v7.5 MLP IE AOO License(TLPCLP DEV PREMMLTST Per Server)

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  thanks

                                                                   

                                                                  regards

                                                                  sanjeev.K

                                                                  • 30. Re: Is there any version of Indesign that allows to open multiple instance at the same time
                                                                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                    You'd need to speak with someone in Adobe bulk licensing sales or a bulk licensing reseller.